<<snipped>> I assume Ancestry used the FamilySearch transcription and FMP has loaded its data from somewhere else.  I suggest someone submits a correction to FMP. <<snipped>> This caught my attention as the suggestion is unlikely, as FMP got the indexes from FamilySearch. For what it's worth.... If you do a search in Ancestry on Elizabeth *ffin (the "*" is a wild card) you get - Elizabeth Kiffin from LDS film "0924608 IT 1" and - Elizabeth Riffin from LDS film 2068258. The latter film is "Parish registers for Holy Trinity Church, Chester, 1654-1938" while "0924608" is a film of a transcript (as was suggested earlier), "Parish register of the Holy and Undivided Trinity in the city of Chester, 1532-1837", "Author: Farrall, L. M". Since FMP used the indexes of the microfilmed PRs (and BTs) from FS, then it has "Riffin" only, while Ancestry, because it loaded all FS's indexes, to both microfilms and books, had both spellings. The source of Ancestry's and FMP's indexes are of interest only if (like me) you're interested in that sort of conundrum. What is perhaps of interest to us all, is the use of the wild card search - rather than look through all Elizabeths born in a particular year (potentially a heroic task), looking for the surname "*ffin" will find all surnames ending in "ffin". Wild cards can be a very useful part of the toolbox in searching. Adrian B

I assume Ancestry used the FamilySearch transcription and FMP has loaded its data from somewhere else.  I suggest someone submits a correction to FMP.   Joy ________________________________ From: Numero Uno <orange.wasps@live.co.uk> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014, 19:07 Subject: Re: [CHS] Kyffin It appears in Ancestry as Elizabeth Kiffin, baptised 13 April 1740, Holy Trinity Chester, daughter of Thomas, and cites FHL Film 0924608 IT 1 as the source.  This is, however, a transcription. Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 09 March 2014 18:59 > To: Tony Spendel; cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Kyffin > > I searched on all the Elizabeths born in Chester in 1740 and > it has been mistranscribed as RIFFIN. >   > Joy >  > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It appears in Ancestry as Elizabeth Kiffin, baptised 13 April 1740, Holy Trinity Chester, daughter of Thomas, and cites FHL Film 0924608 IT 1 as the source. This is, however, a transcription. Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 09 March 2014 18:59 > To: Tony Spendel; cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CHS] Kyffin > > I searched on all the Elizabeths born in Chester in 1740 and > it has been mistranscribed as RIFFIN. >   > Joy > >

I searched on all the Elizabeths born in Chester in 1740 and it has been mistranscribed as RIFFIN.   Joy ________________________________ From: Tony Spendel <spendel@spendel.plus.com> To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014, 17:59 Subject: [CHS] Kyffin Hi Ruth thanks for that - it doesn't appear when I search FMP. I'll record it, it may be her, may not. Burial doesn't give age unfortunately. Tony On 9 Mar 2014, at 08:00, cheshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I presume the burial register does not provide her age....  There is an > Elizabeth Kiffin baptised at Holy Trinity Chester on 13 April 1740, daughter > of Thomas. > > Ruth in Hampshire ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ruth thanks for that - it doesn't appear when I search FMP. I'll record it, it may be her, may not. Burial doesn't give age unfortunately. Tony On 9 Mar 2014, at 08:00, cheshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I presume the burial register does not provide her age.... There is an > Elizabeth Kiffin baptised at Holy Trinity Chester on 13 April 1740, daughter > of Thomas. > > Ruth in Hampshire

I have just received the following from the Rootsweb LEGAL-ENGWLS@rootsweb.com which will probably be of interest to all of us. I would also like to recommend LEGAL-ENGWLS@rootsweb.com to everyone. It deals with current legal aspects of genealogy including copyright, database rights, data protection and privacy in England and Wales. It is not a very active list and there are few who subscribe to it but I have received a great deal of help from it. To subscribe send the usual email to: LEGAL-ENGWLS-request@rootsweb.com There is a campaign to get the Historic Birth, Marriage and Death registers open to the public without having to purchase certificates. This could be done by either transferring the centralised registers held by the GRO to the National Archive or by transferring the registers held by superintendent registrars to the County Record Offices. In addition a number of commercial companies would be willing to digitise the registers allowing them to be available online and also available at the archives free of charge. See http://tinyurl.com/nnrr23j for further details. The government is amenable to opening data to the public, the Registrars General have continually claimed to "be working towards this". For this campaign to work your support is necessary, please write or email to your MP and ask them to support the campaign. If you are a member of the Society of Genealogists or a Family History Society, please contact them and ask them to support the campaign. Also please talk to your friends, write to newspapers, forums, mailing lists radio and TV, the more people that are aware of the campaign the more chance of success. Apathy will destroy any chance of success. These registers are your heritage. They are archived for your information Please help to make it Easier and Cheaper to access them Cheers Guy

Apologies for the oversight! The baptism of Elizabeth Kiffin was found in FamilySearch, Batch No. P00967-1 (from the extraction programme). Ruth > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ruth Genda > Sent: 09 March 2014 10:23 > To: spendel@spendel.plus.com; Cheshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] KYFFIN > > Ruth, you don't say where you found the birth of Elizabeth in > 1840. It isn't shown on Findmypast. But there is a burial > of Elizabeth ALMOND in Chester St Johns on that website. It > is a very full record. > > 19 Dec 1791 Elizabeth wife of William Almond, gardener, Died > 16, Buried Spittle 19, aged 51, Disorder Consumption > > This burial would tie in with Elizabeth's baptism that Ruth found. > > Again, Tony, you don't say where the marriage was found. It > is not shown on FMP. > > I only mention these findings because FMP claims to have had > access to all (or vast majority) of Cheshire CofE registers. > I don't know why they're not showing. > > There are baptisms of two other KYFFIN children, Ann and > Richard, around the 1740s who might be siblings but father is > not Thomas but Benjamin and mother is Elizabeth. > > Hope this helps. > > Ruth > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ruth, you don't say where you found the birth of Elizabeth in 1840. It isn't shown on Findmypast. But there is a burial of Elizabeth ALMOND in Chester St Johns on that website. It is a very full record. 19 Dec 1791 Elizabeth wife of William Almond, gardener, Died 16, Buried Spittle 19, aged 51, Disorder Consumption This burial would tie in with Elizabeth's baptism that Ruth found. Again, Tony, you don't say where the marriage was found. It is not shown on FMP. I only mention these findings because FMP claims to have had access to all (or vast majority) of Cheshire CofE registers. I don't know why they're not showing. There are baptisms of two other KYFFIN children, Ann and Richard, around the 1740s who might be siblings but father is not Thomas but Benjamin and mother is Elizabeth. Hope this helps. Ruth

Ooops, he says sorry it should be aw.badnall@ntlworld.com Carole Sent from my iPad On 8 Mar 2014, at 20:43, "carole williams" <carolewill28@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Lyn > > My friend who examines this type of document says to try aw.bradley@ntl.com or steven bradley4@mypostoffice .co.uk > > Hope this helps, Carole > > Sent from my iPad > > On 4 Mar 2014, at 15:29, "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Any Macclesfield experts out there who might know where one could >> find a copy of this ? >> Regards, >> Lyn >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lyn My friend who examines this type of document says to try aw.bradley@ntl.com or steven bradley4@mypostoffice .co.uk Hope this helps, Carole Sent from my iPad On 4 Mar 2014, at 15:29, "Mrs L. McCulloch" <lyn.mcculloch@btinternet.com> wrote: > Any Macclesfield experts out there who might know where one could > find a copy of this ? > Regards, > Lyn > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ian Thank you you for your helpful email. George was not a POW, but I had not thought of looking in Ancestry. I will try that and see if I can find anything. I was assuming in my ignorance that the Regimental Barracks would hold all the details that I needed to know. Regards Michael

I presume the burial register does not provide her age.... There is an Elizabeth Kiffin baptised at Holy Trinity Chester on 13 April 1740, daughter of Thomas. Ruth in Hampshire > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Spendel > Sent: 08 March 2014 14:22 > To: CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Cc: SHROPSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Kyffin > > Hello, > > I have an Elizabeth Kyffin marrying William Almond on Apr > 23rd 1769. She is buried 16 Oct 1779 in Worthenbury. I can't > find her birth or a possible family. > > Does anyone have an Elizabeth Kyffin in their line around this time? > > Tony >

Hello, I have an Elizabeth Kyffin marrying William Almond on Apr 23rd 1769. She is buried 16 Oct 1779 in Worthenbury. I can't find her birth or a possible family. Does anyone have an Elizabeth Kyffin in their line around this time? Tony Sent from my iPad 4

Trish, There's a marriage for a James BRADDOCK to Elizabeth KNOWLES at Portwood (Stockport) 23 Nov 1856. It's on familysearch.org and gives his father's name as Samuel. The image should be available on Findmypast. They are living with James' in-laws in 1861 at Gee Cross Square, Hyde Cheshire and he gives his birthplace as Apethorn, Cheshire (in 1836). There is an Apethorn Lane in the Werneth/Gee Cross/Hyde area. Census Ref: RG9/2558/F32p16 & F33p17 There is a John BRADDOCK (bn c1831) in 1861 married to a Mary nee ASHTON and living with her father: lancashirebmd.org.uk lists their marriage in 1851 in Saddleworth. The marriage certificate should give the Fathers' names This John is born in Marple which is quite close to Werneth but he is a bit too old for yours although that can be explained by his raising his age to that of his wife! Census Ref: RG9/3000/F87p33 These maiden names are listed on cheshirebmd.og.uk against the BRADDOCK surname for 6 and 7 children respectively. Both couples name their second daughters 'Mary' so, if they are following the usual naming convention, that may be John & James' mother's name (although Elizabeth KNOWLES mother is Mary). In addition, they both have children called Samuel, Hannah and Sarah Ann (Although Mary ASHTON's father is also Samuel). There is a death for an Ann BRADDOCK aged 23 in Hyde in 1852, so that may account for James' and John's sibling Hope that gets you a little further, -Martin On 06/03/2014 00:34, Patricia Essex wrote: > Can someone help me find the parents of the following children. > > Ann Braddock 1829, John Braddock 1833 and James Braddock 1836 (according to > the 1851 census they were living with their grandparents John and Margaret > Braddock. > > They were also with them in the 1841 census. They were all born in Werneth, > Cheshire according to census. The only records I can find for Werneth do > not start until > > 1846. Grandparents were living in Hyde, stockport, Cheshire and are non > conformists. They are not on these records either. > > Any help appreciated > > Regards > > Trish Essex > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth." (Psa.37) Web: http://www.biblewitness.org

Thanks to everybody sending me information. I am very grateful. I have to do the research when I have a few moments spare as I work full time and at the moment my daughter is a bout to get married.  I will have a look at it all soon and post any new findings or confirm any hits as soon as I can.   Any more information would still be welcome.   Thanks again   Janet

I gather you have got a copy, many local libraries give access to various newspaper archives online (from home) to members. I put the name in the 19th Century British Newspapers through one library and it has a spinster of that name in Market Drayton in 1879 in a long list of people under Manchester and Liverpool District Banking Company - shareholders? Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:lancsgen-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eric Millward Sent: 06 March 2014 13:50 To: Cheshire List Cc: ENG-MANCHESTER@rootsweb.com; Lancsgen@rootsweb.com Subject: [LAN] Old newspapers Does anyone please have access to the Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser for 04 March 1902. It contains an article about Emma BRUCKSHAW in Stockport which is of interest to me. This newspaper is not covered in the Gale collection but is included in the British Newspaper Archive to which I do not have a subscription. Many thanks, Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7158 - Release Date: 03/06/14 :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: Buy or sell family research items on the GEN-MAT-UKI mailing list. No fees! The list's administrator can be contacted at LancsGen-admin@rootsweb.com :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: :-+-: ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to LANCSGEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I mentioned in another thread that it is worth making sure that war memorials are recorded on the official records - council Sites and Monuments Register / Historic Environment Record and the national record which is probably run by English Heritage in England. This is most important for the smaller ones fixed to buildings or inside the building. This does not protect them like 'listing' or 'scheduling' but it means that if there is a planning application then the planning authority will be aware of it and hopefully put a condition on its preservation or moving to a safe place. All too often memorials have been removed from buildings being demolished and just trashed. Here in Scotland I pass them on to our local HER and the RCAHMS (just got one added today) also add my photographs to their record with detailed pictures of all the names even if I do not have time to transcribe them all. It is surprising how many they have no record of, I had a spreadsheet sent to me today and added quite a number that were not on it. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Harris Sent: 04 March 2014 09:39 To: cheshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CHS] Photos of old war memorials and plaques Dear All Have you seen this website http://www.carlscam.com/index.html It has some lovely photos of various war memorials and church memorials. Most of them are in Cheshire, some in Manchester and Stockport. Ann

If he was a PoW, as my own uncle was, the British WW2 PoW records are on Ancestry. It gives his service number, rank, regiment and PoW camp. That's the only ready source of service numbers - obviously limited - that I'm aware of. Ian On 6 March 2014 13:07, Michael Jackson <mjackson@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello > > I am trying to obtain details of the uncle's time in the army during WW2. > I believe he was in the Grenadier Guards, but have no further information > about him. I do not have his service number. He lived in Manchester and I > have his birth certificate and death certificate. > > I wrote to the army records office in Glasgow. His date of birth was > sufficient for them to search but I was informed that he was not in their > records and my £30 cheque was returned. They said that records for the > Guards regiments are stored in Wellington Barracks in London and that I > should try there. > > Wellington Barracks told me that they cannot find a soldiers records > without the service number and were not able suggest where I could find > this. > > Has anyone had the same problem? If so was the problem solved? > > Regards > > Michael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Eric Millward" <bruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk> > Does anyone please have access to the Manchester Courier and Lancashire > General Advertiser for 04 March 1902. > > It contains an article about Emma BRUCKSHAW in Stockport which is of > interest to me. > This newspaper is not covered in the Gale collection but is included in > the > British Newspaper Archive to which I do not have a subscription. > > Many thanks, > > Eric Millward> Do you have a subscription to Findmypast? The cutting is available there in their section on British Newspapers 1710-1953. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Famous family trees blog: http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/tag/roy-stockdill/ Reach For The Stars blog: roystockdillgenealogy.com "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Does anyone please have access to the Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser for 04 March 1902. It contains an article about Emma BRUCKSHAW in Stockport which is of interest to me. This newspaper is not covered in the Gale collection but is included in the British Newspaper Archive to which I do not have a subscription. Many thanks, Eric Millward ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7158 - Release Date: 03/06/14