Hello, Earleene! This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to children in those earlier generations, largely because there is absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed together. There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no special place of precedence because of their father's position. The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle Shoals, AL. Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there would be a chance, but not TWO! Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, Portuguese, and so on. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: > Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is my3rd great grandmother. earleene > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am related to many of these people & have info that has been documented. they went to cherokee territory when they laft wayne co ky that place was dade co ga,was cherokee then walker now dade. i have records to show elizabeth blevins married christian steel then jacob troxell.christian was in war of 1812, jake was in rev war & there is proof as there was some concern for his wife getting his pension, .june bork thought it important to record the people in wayne co so history would not be lost, I found many of my realitives in her books..daniel blevins was married I think twice but will have to look at records to be sure if he married more than that.his last wife was charlotte(lottie ) muse. also have the info on that.he was from virginia. I will not say more without looking at my records.except there is a record of marriage in wayne co ky of elizabeth& christian. among others. elizabeth & christian had 4 children can only find about 2 , sarah born 1811 & eli. dont find a record on others. elizabeth & jacob had one child louisa troxell, she has decendents in dade co now.also have a picture of christian holding two of the kids. earleene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

there is documentation that elizabeth blevins steel married jacob troxell after christian steel died ,elizabeth & christian had 4 children & elizabeth & jacob had one,their decendents live in dade co ga, also sarah steel married abraham tinker they are buried in my family cemetery in dade co ga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message