Earleene If you are willing to do lookups would you please see if David Shelton is listen in her books, prior to 1840. I'm looking for copies. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Earleene Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 4:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage hi susan,i have lots of info on wayne co ky,i will share it,i'm having a medical problem so i will have to do it as i can, real back problem,, june bork was a teacher in wayne co ky & saw a need to record the history of it before it was all gone,i think she did about three books, sara steel was the daughter of christian steel & elizabeth blevins the marriage of them is recorded, they had 4 kids but sarah & eli are the only ones i can find. christian was in the war of 1812, he was with Tauals mounted regement. when he got out they migrated to deer head cove in ala/ga as it is directly on state line. he died and she married george jacob troxell ,they had one child eliza lousia troxell,there are a lot of decendent in dade co ga. also records of this. as for cornblossom,she was daughter of double head ,don't know about being a princess,it is mentioned in records, her sisters married into the blevins family ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]>. To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. 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 I have heard the saying "Lord willing and the Creek don't rise" came from Indian agent Benjimin Hawkins. Replying to a request to return to Washington to give a report on the status of the indians.  true or false    Please. Best regards Barb ________________________________

I've heard that for years growing up, never knew of its origin, just figured it was a religious/southern thing that my grandma grew up hearing. But it'd definitely be interesting to find out who originated that saying & why & where :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lattimore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] creek I have heard the saying "Lord willing and the Creek don't rise" came from Indian agent Benjimin Hawkins. Replying to a request to return to Washington to give a report on the status of the indians. true or false Please. Best regards Barb ________________________________ =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message