Folks, My great-great grandmother was supposedly full blood Cherokee (name of Jane Young). She married at Ritter and lived in MS and other Southern States, and after she died her offspring applied for membership in the Cherokee Nation in 1895. The applications was denied due to the fact that they had not lived in IT for 5 years. On the application several witnesses claimed that Jane Young was full blood Cherokee, and the photos that I have of her daughter, my great-grandmother, certainly look to have indian characteristics. Our oral history is that she was full blood Cherokee, and the Application supports that. However, my research has failed to verify any parental relations of Jane Young. Therefore, I am continuing to look for information that will substantiate the information contained on the Application. Until lately, I have been happy with the dialog that is on this list serve. However, I have come to the conclusion that a certain Barbara Gordon-Lanto is not furthering this dialog. She is constantly refusing to reference where that information is from, and insist on having her private information remain private and get incensed when one questions whether her information is accurate. If she continues to promote multiple response with little additional information, I am going to be forced to cancel my membership in this list serve,, because the multiple responses are becoming too much of an added burden with all the other genealogical emails I receive. Many thanks to all of the other responders who recognize that not all of us are experts, nor have been studying this area for a very long time. Happy New Year to all. Robert H Appleby (Bob) 207 Watts St Durham, NC 27701-2036 919-682-8902 [email protected]

Native names given at Birth never change. But a Cherokee may have several "English" names at various time slots. At puberty a boy ususally lived with an Uncle, brother to the mother or clan mother's, and may take that last name as part of the household.. It was for the boy's traditional warrior training. The idea was to confuse the government. Cherokee and other tribes were being hunted down like a poor animal.(1700- 1800's) BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Heritage > Yeah, that term Indian Princess gets me. I couldn't believe my eyes > when the history text we used last term called Pocahontas an Indian > Princess. I wanted to jump up and down ranting about the misuse of > the term. I finally opted to address it in my mid-term exam. The > professor who wrote the book obviously didn't do his homework. He > even got the story wrong! > > Ah, but the term full-blood is relative. It literally means of full > blood, but it was also applied to those who lived among the > full-bloods and were accepted by them as such, even thought they > weren't. I've seen many Dawes and Miller applications that say > "so-and-so is considered a full-blood even though she (or he) really > isn't." If you lived among the full-bloods and accepted their values, > traditions and way of life, you were called a full-blood - regardless. > > And there were many full-bloods who refused to adopt anglicized names > and were simply given them. My Uncle Cephas was a half-blood > Chickasaw. His father, who I've always heard called Wilson Holson > James(my grandfather was named Holson in his honor) was a full-blood > Chickasaw who spoke little English and I still haven't learned to > pronounce his Chickasaw name. He was told he HAD to have an English > name. He picked Wilson and Holson because he liked the sound of them > and the Indian Agent picked James as his last name just because. It > caused some misinterpretation, let me tell you. We have loads of > family stories in both mine and my cousin Kathy's families (she's a > Revelle by birth, I'm a Wood by birth and her great grandfather and my > great grandmother were siblings), about the James boys coming to > visit. Our families aren't close, but Kathy and I have become close > since discovering each other so these stories weren't shared before > hand. We decided that meant Cephas James, his brothers and sons had > come to visit. NOT! When we finally found a reference in another > cousin's great grandfather's ledger and account books from his days in > Broken Bow, OK and before, it turned out it was THE James Boys - Frank > and Jesse and their cronies. > > Names are funny things, especially among the Cherokee who might change > names several times during their lifetimes. You just never know where > they will lead and what they might come to mean! > > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I still have "Alderman" relatives in Durham/NC And I am not an expert, but I do know what I know/ BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Heritage > Bob....... > > Don't cancel this group......its worth staying on. > > Since I am one who responds to her comments, I will refrain from doing so > on > the group. I'd rather "ignore" one then lose another long time member :) > > Alli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert H Appleby" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:02 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Heritage > > > > Folks, > > > > My great-great grandmother was supposedly full blood Cherokee (name of > > Jane Young). She married at Ritter and lived in MS and other Southern > > States, and after she died her offspring applied for membership in the > > Cherokee Nation in 1895. The applications was denied due to the fact > > that > > they had not lived in IT for 5 years. On the application several > > witnesses claimed that Jane Young was full blood Cherokee, and the > > photos > > that I have of her daughter, my great-grandmother, certainly look to > > have > > indian characteristics. Our oral history is that she was full blood > > Cherokee, and the Application supports that. However, my research has > > failed to verify any parental relations of Jane Young. Therefore, I am > > continuing to look for information that will substantiate the > > information > > contained on the Application. > > > > Until lately, I have been happy with the dialog that is on this list > > serve. However, I have come to the conclusion that a certain Barbara > > Gordon-Lanto is not furthering this dialog. She is constantly refusing > > to > > reference where that information is from, and insist on having her > > private > > information remain private and get incensed when one questions whether > > her > > information is accurate. If she continues to promote multiple response > > with little additional information, I am going to be forced to cancel my > > membership in this list serve,, because the multiple responses are > > becoming too much of an added burden with all the other genealogical > > emails I receive. > > > > Many thanks to all of the other responders who recognize that not all of > > us are experts, nor have been studying this area for a very long time. > > > > Happy New Year to all. > > > > Robert H Appleby (Bob) > > 207 Watts St > > Durham, NC 27701-2036 > > 919-682-8902 > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >