Susan It would take a book or two to answer your questions. It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with garbage. I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely guarded secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did not want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And raised me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that everyone called her. Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called it DNA memory. When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was murdered by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. The Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew up. While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. Your idea of history is far, far off. One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I am a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, it was me who did not know .But I do now. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Barb, the reason people are asking for documentation on some of these > statements is because there are historical problems. We really would > like to believe but there has to be some proof, not vague statements > to the effect of go find it yourself. Please know I'm not being ugly, > we're all looking for the truth, too. Let me explain > > You wrote: > 'It was predominate and common in the 1600's to 1700's. and later. > all Cherokee goes back to Pocahontas or to her sister, Nikkia....and > MOYTOY > and Quatsie.' > > Response: True the Indian Nations married their cousins - that's all > they had most of the time. But this was not a Cherokee phenomenon, it > was a HUMAN phenomenon and all people did/do it. In fact, we all go > back to first man and first woman, however we think they arrived here, > so we are ALL cousins whether we wish it so or not. How is it ALL > Cherokee go back to Pocahontas (see the next paragraph). Who was her > Cherokee husband or lover? Those we call the Cherokee today were > chronicled by DeSoto in the 1500s and were not in Virginia. Did they > live there at some point? Yes, but it must be remembered that what > was called Virginia THEN and what is called Virginia now are two > different things. In the Virginia Company charter of 1609 almost all > of what we call Kentucky (except the far western part), Tennessee and > North Carolina were called Virginia. So yes, they lived in Virginia > then but not around the settlements and not near the Powhatans, likely > not in what we know as modern Virginia. They certainly might have > traded with them, the Nations did have a large and robust trade > system, but there is no evidence they lived in close proximity. So, > if you have that evidence, please, please, please share it. I would > love to explore it and maybe do my thesis on it! > > > You wrote: "For example, General Robert E Lee was cousin to General > John B Gordon. Both > men married their cousins. And that is just one example. After Eleven > years > of intense study and research. Both men, in fact, all of them, were > Powhowtan-Cherokee." > > Response: The Powhatan Nation states Pocahontas, proper name Matoaka, > is the only child of Powhatan's whose name is known. > http://www.powhatan.org/pocc.html She was a little girl when the > first Jamestown settlers arrived and was dead by the age of 21 in 1617 > in England. She had only one known child, Thomas Rolfe, and I have > never found a link between Thomas Rolfe and the Lees and it would > almost certainly have to come from this line if they are Powhatan and > who was the Cherokee ancestor? The people in Lee's line are > documented right back to England with no breaks I have been able to > find. I do leave that with an open mind, though, hoping for more > information. Please, do share your documentation. There are plenty > of records on the Lees and I just can't find it. The Powhatans hated > whites, this is well known, so people are going to view this > skeptically. Was there more intermarriage? It's possible certainly > but it's not noted in early records. Most of what we know took place > around Jamestown and there ARE records for there. It's entirely > possible the "lost colony" of Roanoke was absorbed into the Powhatan > Nation and its history forever lost in the mists of time. Please, > though, give us the straight scoop rather than an answer that could be > taken as evasive. That will never convince anyone. > > > You wrote: "Four hundred years ago there was a Native American Nation > here named the > Algonquin Nation. Most tribes were destroyed. They were directly > related and the same family" > > > Response: True the Powhatans are Algonquian and the Powhatan > confederacy and many of the tribes of the confederacy were largely > destroyed by 1644. The Cherokee are Iroquoian though and were not > known to be part of this confederacy by any name associated with the > Cherokee (and yes, Cherokee is a European phonetic corruption of one > of the names the Cherokee have for themselves - Tsa-la-gi. It just > doesn't translate phonetically very well.) > > I promise you, I'm not being ugly or poking at you. I have very high > standards in my research and, like any good historian or genealogist I > want the science to be right and the proof provided. I don't want my > passion to be seen as quackery or junk science. If there is nothing > more than a whispered something in a dark corner, it will never be > accepted and people will throw stones and hurt you. I have just > finished a research project for class on Jamestown and I would dearly > love to know what records you have. I want to put my hands on them if > I can. I have a ton of old books and access to many documents that > are begging to be read. > > Happy time travels! > Susan > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

How is it that you "know" what the Cherokee's have (supposedly been) guarding when 99% of Cherokee's wouldn't know. And who is this Earthfeather that you keep sharing our messages with? If they are not a part of our group, they shouldn't be getting our messages, I know that I have not given anyone permission to send my messages all over the place (I've been finding a lot of my posting's on Ancestry, which is annoying in itself)....... You are not the only one who is Cherokee or has Cherokee in their family tree, but you are the only one (at least in a very long time) who seems to think they are God's gift to that Tribe, yet like many prior to you. You spout statements off here & there but refuse to give specific sources & specific documented proof. The WHOLE point of being on a genealogy list is not to act like a child & say "nana nana I know more then you, but I'm not telling" Its to SHARE links, sources, documents. To HELP others find answers, correct miss information. So far you've been rude & act like a no-it-all & frankly......if that's how Cherokee's act..........I'll stick to being White & what ever else race I have in my tree.......there's enough Rudeness in society today......don't need it here too. 99% of grandma's have special names that grandkids (adopted, blood, or neighbor) call them.....sheesh, that's nothing new. DNA/Blood.....kind of the same thing. Documents, files, sources, links.............specific's.......not some made up gotta look for yourself crap..........either you can back up what you say or you can't...... no sense in claiming your "history" is far better then Joyce's or anyone elses.........While Joyce is far from perfect (sorry Joyce LOL) At least She gives SPECIFIC details & documents based on her findings & others over the years & does NOT tell people to go look for themselves.........THAT'S what a real genealogist does. Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Susan > > It would take a book or two to answer your questions. > > It amazes me how you people think. Your heads have been filled with > garbage. > I know what Poca's family names were. I know she is Matoaca. I know > what the Cherokee have been guarding. I know some of the closely guarded > secrets. But it you are not Cherokee, you will not get answers. And I > honor that. Those people , my people, have been through HELL > > I did not know that my close related people were Cherokee. They did not > want me to know. My grandparents were wonderful people. After my father > was killed, my grandparents were always there for me. And raised > me. I knew my great grandmother. She lived in a small town above Oregon > City. And did not go by her "proper name". She had a special name that > everyone called her. > > Something inside of me knew. Today it is called Blood Memory. I called it > DNA memory. > > When Matoaca was abducted, her husband trying to protect her, was murdered > by the James Towne English. Their twins were cut loose in the woods. The > Cherokee found them and took them to a safe place to grow up They grew up. > While most of the Powhatan and Cherokee were destroyed. > > Your idea of history is far, far off. > > One of my first questions to the Cherokee was about Powhatan GORDON. I am > a GORDON and use my Gordon name as part of my identity. The Cherokee > answered, " he was three generations from Poca."They knew who I was, it > was me who did not know .But I do now. > > BARB