Joyce - I asked of John McDaniel - not Alexander. Is he mentioned in the Dawes aps as well? I know they are supposed to be brothers and I did look up your archived post (and many more) as requested. Sinking ship - seriously? I have belonged to this group quite some time and rarely ask for help- I didnt bring up Matoys or Moytoys - just John and Mary unk McDaniel and asked for help. Judy - I cannot answer all your questions. Surely Granny Hop is still just as Cherokee as she was a few days ago. And William McDaniel is the same as well. And Moytoy is secure in his position. I believe some one else will have to jump in at this point and address Judy's other concerns. Terri On 12/11/2012 10:55 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. McDaniel (Joyce Gaston Reece) > 2. Re: John McDaniel (Dj M) > 3. Re: John McDaniel (Dj M) > 4. Re: John McDaniel (Dj M) > 5. Re: John McDaniel (Joyce Gaston Reece) > 6. Re: CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 243 (Terri Presley) > 7. Re: John McDaniel (Alli :)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:33:59 -0500 > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] McDaniel > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > And we are, surely, on the same sinking ship, Alli. > > As stated before. If one studies the depositions of Rebecca Ellidge in her > Dawes/Miller application then look for those of her sisters, Millie Moytoy > Duncan, Elizabeth Pitts and any others they can find you will learn that > Nancy Bowlin/Bolin was the mother of Alexander McDaniel. She was, possibly, > a black woman. you can also study the depositions of Thomas Raper and Caty > McDaniel, Jesse Raper and Mary McDaniel and James Raper with Susannah > McDaniel. He was NOT the son of Granny Hopper UNLESS her white name was > Nancy Bolin. These depositions plainly state that Alexander McDaniel was > the half brother of James Matoy > > Each and every genealogical line we have traced all trace their heritage to > the Matoys > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 20:45:41 -0600 > From: Terri Presley <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 243 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Late to the party again... Thank you all! Kathie, thanks for the > insight. The land lottery did not make much sense. Alli and Robert- > thanks on the clarifications. Susan if what you have pertains to my line > - I would love it! But if not, I totally believe you on the Jamestown > birth point. Judy, I think we may be rowing boats next to each other. > > No one knows Mary unk - Johns wife? Or actual death info? > Terri > >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) >> From: judy young <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, I just happened to have >> confused myself. I was in the midst of another research when this finally rings >> some bells,?and I have already deleted much of my e-mail...sorry...just a bit of >> the child in me listening with half an ear to what the ole folks said...and that >> said...?Are you saying Granny Hopper is not?full cherokee blood or are you >> saying her husband was not scots? Just wanted to know for sure. Or in fact are >> you referring to either ethnicity? But the all cliams of Moytoy as Indian. >> Perhaps that is what the genealogical materials here are meaning. Thanks so much >> for taking your time to straighten me out as I know many of you can. >> >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> > > > > > >

I realize that you asked about John. Since we have only one well documented line of McDaniel's it only makes sense that you'd want to look for John in association with Alexander. You'll need to expand your possibilities when you strike a brick wall. Think outside the box. When I said 'sinking ship' I was not referring to the list in general but one specific thing on this list. The fact that we keep getting told things but never get offered any links or directions. So 'seriously', yes, seriously! I have nothing that documents that Granny Hopper was the mother of the McDaniels child/children. One of the other researchers may have but I have not found solid documentation. Joyce Gaston Reece