Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, I just happened to have confused myself. I was in the midst of another research when this finally rings some bells, and I have already deleted much of my e-mail...sorry...just a bit of the child in me listening with half an ear to what the ole folks said...and that said... Are you saying Granny Hopper is not full cherokee blood or are you saying her husband was not scots? Just wanted to know for sure. Or in fact are you referring to either ethnicity? But the all cliams of Moytoy as Indian. Perhaps that is what the genealogical materials here are meaning. Thanks so much for taking your time to straighten me out as I know many of you can. I hope I followed directions to the #13 and this is what I found at the link, and I am very interested in what you investigated and found on this family. I have him on my tree as James William David McDaniel born in Scotland about 1716. Married to Sookie "Granny" Hopper born 1742 Cherokee Nation East. With note indicating that Sookie was what she was called and somehow was translated by who, or I have not any idea...but my note just has what was told, or shared with me as this:The Sookie is the Indian equivalent of Susy.How true that is I am not trying to say or even hint that I have any documents to prove the claim. This is simply a hand me down information, that I have not bothered to date to chase any leads or info on because here is my relationship to the persons listed. James William David McDaniel is the father in law of my 5th great grandfather. I was interested as Essary is in my family and that is the connection here. I had been woring on  Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel and daughter of James Wm. David McDaniel and wife Sookie Hopper I have noted the amount of Cherokee blood for this woman disputable, and not sure how much she is just the hand me down info has Sookie full blood Cherokee...sorry about the red flag I know saying full blood Cherokee raises on this group, but it is all I have to start researching, and the fact I have idicated in notes disputable, so please excuse my terminology regarding that and do not hang up there. I believe my Elizabeth Quatsey McDaniel was married to James Thomas Essary. I do not want or hope this is set in type in anyones tree, as I am not saying have total docs. I somewhere acquired the info that James and Elizabeth married in Randolph County, NC Sept. 28 1786. Some of my information was gathered when I did not know what I was doing in terms of searches...and how to document...but over the years have improved. Still make errors....still want errors cleared up so as not to continue to perpetuate. 13. GRANNY3 HOPPER(OLD HOP2, A-MA-DO-YA1 MOYTOY) was born Abt. 1730. She married WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR. He was born Abt. 1726 in Scotland. More About GRANNYHOPPER: Blood: Full Blood Cherokee More About WILLIAMDAVIDMCDANIEL, SR: Blood: Scottish Occupation: Trader Children of GRANNYHOPPERand WILLIAMMCDANIELare: 38. i. CATHERINEKATIE4 MCDANIEL, b. 1763, Chota, CNE [TN]; d. Aft. 1823. ii. JOHNMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1764. More About JOHNMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch 39. iii. ALEXANDERMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1768; d. 1835, Kentucky. iv. LEWISMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1770. More About LEWISMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch v. MARYMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1772. More About MARYMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch vi. NANNIEMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1774. More About NANNIEMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch vii. ELIZABETHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1775. More About ELIZABETHMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch viii. SUSANNAHMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1776. More About SUSANNAHMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch ix. RACHELMCDANIEL, b. Abt. 1777. More About RACHELMCDANIEL: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee, 1/2 Scotch 40. x. WILLIAMMCDANIEL, JR, b. Abt. 1780; d. Aft. 1842   Judy, un beau gachis Born with a 1200 ft. question looking for a sixty in. answer. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gary_young http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Judith-A-Young/  ________________________________ From: Susan Reynolds <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, December 11, 2012 6:13:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Alli, start here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/0021-0001.html#IND13723REF0 scroll down to #3, then click Granny Hooper #13.  Don't get sidetracked by references to Amadoya Moytoy being born at Jamestown. I have documentation which disproves that.  It is based on an indexing error at the Library of Virginia site and is VERY modern in origin. It's a lovely story, but just that.  If you'd like what I have I'll be glad to share it with you. Happy time travels! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Like a family. We all take a turn. -----Original Message----- From: judy young Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Excuse me for butting in on a running converstaion, <snip>

Moytoy as Indian: Researchers have available the transcriptions of Hernando Desoto in the 1540's as visiting the Cherokee on the Tenasi (now called Little Tennessee) River. He did not use the name Moytoy. Juan Pardo came 26 years later. He, too, visited the Indians but with much fewer records. The next expedition was in 1670. Lederer turned back back in fear of the Spainards before reaching the Appalachians. In 1673, Abraham Wood sent a letter to Mr. Richards in London. This expedition went to a 'town of in habitance'. "They journeyed nine days from Occhonechee to Sitteree, west and by south, past nine rivers and creeks which all end in this side the mountains and empty themselves into the east sea. Sitteree being the last town of inhabitance and not any path further until they came within two days journey of the Tomahittans. They traveled from thence up the mountains upon the sun setting all the way and in four days get to the top, sometimes leading their horses sometimes riding....." Most scholars believe the Tomahittans were the earliest 'known' Cherokee. Abraham Wood writes of Indian John/Hasecoll, James Needham, Gabriel Arthur. He doesn't name any other Indians. Charleston SC was founded in 1674 by a group with Henry Woodward. Who began trading with the Westoe Indians who were to become the 'middlemen' between the Carolinians and the Cherokee. JAMES MOORE wrote..."took up seven sorts of ore or mineral stones, all differing either in weight, colour, smell or some other qualities, By my friend, Col. Maurice Matthews, I had these tried in England. He sent word two were very good and one indifferent. On the same Journey I was informed that the Spaniards had been at work within 20 miles of me. The natives described to me their bellows and furnaces and said they killed the Spaniards for fear they would make slaves of them to work in the mines as they had other Indians. The places where I took up the ores are much nearer Ashley River than any place now inhabited by the Spaniards or French"..... By 1716 Alexander Long was known to be living among and trading with the Cherokee. A total of 848,363 deer skins had been exported to Great Britain alone over the previous 16 years. (1700). Long was with the Cherokee prior to 1710. Eleazer Wiggin is recorded as acting as interpreter in 1711. In May of 1714 is when we get the first real taste of recorded data. Long was accused of attempting to cut off trade between the British and the Euchee's. Colonel George Chicken was recorded with the Yamassee tribe as they "revolted" against white settlers along the coastal villages. July 1725, Col Chicken tells that "This morning came to me the head men of Elejoy who informed me that they were desirous to hear the talk in their own town and that they had no mind to go over the hills." Over the Hills refers directly to the villages along the Tenasi or Little Tennessee River. "Set away from Elejoy abt nine of the Clock this morning and abt ten of the Clock we came to little Teriquo in the Middle Settlements being about two miles from Elejoy. We passed by Conustee. About twelve at noon I took our departure from thence and came about five miles short of a place called the Beaver Dam where we lay in the woods for this night having travilled that day 25 miles. " They are traveling toward the Overhill settlements but are still on the other side of Hanging Dog Mountain between there and where Murphy, NC is today. ......Tuesday 27 July 1725...."The day proving very rainy we could not goe from hence according to the message sent yesterday to the King at Tunisee I informed the head men at Terriquo that were at home that I expected they would accompany me to Tenissee where their King lived and where I intended to give them the English Talk.".... Col. Chicken makes a few references to the 'KING' and head warriours . Alexander Cumming is first accounted for within the Cherokee settlements circa 1730. On March 29 1830 is the first reference that I have seen to the name Moytoy. Cumming was at Tamauchly , went to Tassetchess, 40 miles away, passed over the steep mtns of Joree. March 28 he went from Tassetchess and lay withing 3 miles of Beaver Dam where Ludovic Grant was with his guide William Cooper. The 29th they proceeded over the mountains, to arrive at great Telliquo in the afternoon. Here he states that 'made a friend of the great Moytoy and Jacob the Conjurer. Moytoy told Sir Alexander that it was talked among the several towns last year that they intended to make him Emperor over the whole; but now it must be whatever Sir Alexander pleased. On March 30 Ludovic Grant accompanied Cumming to great Tannassey. This town is pleasantly situated on a branch of the Mississippie and is 16 miles from great Telliquo." Here they are clearly going to Chota.

There are more for the other group or both. People on the culture list can share with you. On Dec 12, 2012 8:13 AM, "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Moytoy as Indian: > > Researchers have available the transcriptions of Hernando Desoto in the > 1540's as visiting the Cherokee on the Tenasi (now called Little Tennessee) > River. He did not use the name Moytoy. Juan Pardo came 26 years later. > He, too, visited the Indians but with much fewer records. The next > expedition was in 1670. Lederer turned back back in fear of the Spainards > before reaching the Appalachians. > > In 1673, Abraham Wood sent a letter to Mr. Richards in London. This > expedition went to a 'town of in habitance'. "They journeyed nine days > from > Occhonechee to Sitteree, west and by south, past nine rivers and creeks > which all end in this side the mountains and empty themselves into the east > sea. Sitteree being the last town of inhabitance and not any path further > until they came within two days journey of the Tomahittans. They traveled > from thence up the mountains upon the sun setting all the way and in four > days get to the top, sometimes leading their horses sometimes riding....." > Most scholars believe the Tomahittans were the earliest 'known' Cherokee. > Abraham Wood writes of Indian John/Hasecoll, James Needham, Gabriel > Arthur. > He doesn't name any other Indians. > > Charleston SC was founded in 1674 by a group with Henry Woodward. Who > began > trading with the Westoe Indians who were to become the 'middlemen' between > the Carolinians and the Cherokee. JAMES MOORE wrote..."took up seven > sorts > of ore or mineral stones, all differing either in weight, colour, smell or > some other qualities, By my friend, Col. Maurice Matthews, I had these > tried in England. He sent word two were very good and one indifferent. On > the same Journey I was informed that the Spaniards had been at work within > 20 miles of me. The natives described to me their bellows and furnaces and > said they killed the Spaniards for fear they would make slaves of them to > work in the mines as they had other Indians. The places where I took up > the > ores are much nearer Ashley River than any place now inhabited by the > Spaniards or French"..... > > By 1716 Alexander Long was known to be living among and trading with the > Cherokee. A total of 848,363 deer skins had been exported to Great Britain > alone over the previous 16 years. (1700). Long was with the Cherokee > prior > to 1710. Eleazer Wiggin is recorded as acting as interpreter in 1711. In > May of 1714 is when we get the first real taste of recorded data. Long was > accused of attempting to cut off trade between the British and the > Euchee's. > > Colonel George Chicken was recorded with the Yamassee tribe as they > "revolted" against white settlers along the coastal villages. July 1725, > Col Chicken tells that "This morning came to me the head men of Elejoy who > informed me that they were desirous to hear the talk in their own town and > that they had no mind to go over the hills." Over the Hills refers > directly > to the villages along the Tenasi or Little Tennessee River. "Set away from > Elejoy abt nine of the Clock this morning and abt ten of the Clock we came > to little Teriquo in the Middle Settlements being about two miles from > Elejoy. We passed by Conustee. About twelve at noon I took our departure > from thence and came about five miles short of a place called the Beaver > Dam > where we lay in the woods for this night having travilled that day 25 > miles. > " They are traveling toward the Overhill settlements but are still on the > other side of Hanging Dog Mountain between there and where Murphy, NC is > today. ......Tuesday 27 July 1725...."The day proving very rainy we could > not goe from hence according to the message sent yesterday to the King at > Tunisee I informed the head men at Terriquo that were at home that I > expected they would accompany me to Tenissee where their King lived and > where I intended to give them the English Talk.".... Col. Chicken makes a > few references to the 'KING' and head warriours . > > Alexander Cumming is first accounted for within the Cherokee settlements > circa 1730. On March 29 1830 is the first reference that I have seen to > the > name Moytoy. Cumming was at Tamauchly , went to Tassetchess, 40 miles > away, > passed over the steep mtns of Joree. March 28 he went from Tassetchess and > lay withing 3 miles of Beaver Dam where Ludovic Grant was with his guide > William Cooper. The 29th they proceeded over the mountains, to arrive at > great Telliquo in the afternoon. Here he states that 'made a friend of the > great Moytoy and Jacob the Conjurer. Moytoy told Sir Alexander that it was > talked among the several towns last year that they intended to make him > Emperor over the whole; but now it must be whatever Sir Alexander pleased. > On March 30 Ludovic Grant accompanied Cumming to great Tannassey. This > town > is pleasantly situated on a branch of the Mississippie and is 16 miles from > great Telliquo." Here they are clearly going to Chota. > > > > > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do > genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to [email protected] > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Judy I do not nor have I seen any documentation that Granny Hopper was mother to the McDaniel children. She was, by all indications, the daughter of Old Hop but I've not seen documentation of that either. One of the others, Susan or Kathie may have something but I don't. Neither have I seen documents that verify or alledge to William or David McDaniel being the father of the McDaniels. There is a William McDaniel who received a North Carolina 1817-1819 Reservation and that's all I know of him. On the other hand I have seen testimony that the mother of Alex McDaniel was Nancy Bolin. There is a James and John McDaniel in Roane, McMinn, Meigs & Rhea Counties but I've not researched them enough to say they were of Cherokee descent. By what I have seen they appear to be mostly white. Joyce Gaston Reece