Colonel You probably know more about these families than I do, it has been a very long time since I did the research on the "Benge Trail of Tears" travelers. Computers used DOS in those days and I still operate some of those programs. This information may be used for research but not for documentation PLEASE. Obediah Martin Benge II, b. 1 Jan 1840 Son of Martin "Mark "Tiu" Benge b. ca 1805 Rutherford, TN and Elizabeth Lowrey ( Dau of Col. John Lowrey & Car-Na-Loo-Ge- Acke "Runafter" McLemore.) Son of Obediah Martin Benge b ca 1763, Albemarle VA, and Sarah Fields ( Dau of George Fields and Lydia Shorey) Son of John " Trader John" Benge b. ca 1735 Albemarle VA & Elizabeth Lewis Dau of William Terrell Lewis and Sarah Martin) Son of Thomas Benge Sr. b. ca 1710 Albemarle VA and Martha Martin ( Dau of Joseph Martin and Susanah Chiles) Son of Robert Benge b. ca 1665, James City, VA Might be son of John Benge b ca 1615 Might be son of William Binge/Byng b. ca 1571 Wrotham, Kent, England, immigrant died USA Might be son of Robert Byng b ca 1540 England and Frances Hill England. Might be son of John byng b. 1510 Wortham England and Agnes Spencer Might be son of Thomas Byng b. 1477 Wortham England and Joan Hicks. As to the linage of James Franklin Benge III, b. 4 Jan 1849 Tahlequah Dist, IT, married Hettie Galcatcher, Ruth Ellen Martin and Ellen Clark. Again use for research only not for documentation PLEASE. Son of Anderson Benge b. ca 1820 Cherokee Nation East, and Susan Henrietta Foreman (Dau. of James Fields and Delialah Fields) Son of John Riddle Benge b ca 1787 Jackosn Al, (Chief Wagonmaster for Cpt. Benge) and Quatie Conrad ( Dau of Hamilton "Gunrod" Conrad and Ollie Ar-le" Son of Robert "The Bench" Benge b. ca 1760 Toqua, TN, and the Sister of Chief Dragging Canoe) Son of John "Trader John" Benge b 1735 Albemarle VA and Wur-Teh "Bird Clan" "Betsy" Watts) ( Dau. of Willinaway "Great Eagle" Carpenter and Aniwodi Wurtea) From here you can follow the same possible lineage, See John "Trader John" Benge above. I will be glad to take suggestions and or corrections but I do not want to get in a huge fray is this list is prone to do some days. (I am not the expert.) Colonel you indicate that the parents of Ruth Ellen Martin was Joseph Lynch Martin and Caroline Garrett. You may be right but I had always though she was the daughter of one of the Lucy's that he married. If anyone has his six wives all sorted out I would be interested. Don At 05:38 PM 12/4/2012, you wrote: > Was the Obediah Martin Benge possibly a descendant or part of the Judge >John Martin Jr. family? I think so! I have Judge Martin's granddaughter, >Ruth Ellen Martin, married to a James Franklin Benge, b.1849--d.1908. Ruth >Ellen was the daughter of Joseph Lynch Martin, born Cherokee Nation likely >in Habersham Co. GA; parents of Ruth Ellen were Joseph Lynch Martin and >Caroline Garrett. > Judge John Martin Jr. was the First Chief Cherokee Supreme Court Justice >in both the East and West nations. He was the first, Chief Supreme Court >Justice of the Cherokee nation in GA & TN and a circuit Judge of two >Cherokee districts, sometimes held court at Athens, after his removal to >(IT) Okla his final settlement was adjudicated at Athens. > Also, Gen Joseph Martin his uncle, had a son, James C. Martin who lived on >Mouse Creek, just outside Athens, TN. (Thanks Joyce for James's farm >location) I'm looking for any of these descendants, not sure if there are >any left in TN, or GA, I think they all went to Indian Territory in 1837. >Family reunion and "monument" to honor Judge John Martin will be erected and >ceremony in Tahlequah, OK. on June 8th at 2PM., Col. Joe Martin, >Officiating. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Herb Waldrup >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 4:09 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > >I just enjoy watching the conversations here to see what comes up for McMinn >County TN where most of my ancestors came from. The Benge name hit a chord >with me. I went to High School with a Bonnie Mae Benge in 1949-1953. A >little quick ancestry research quickly tells me her father was Drew Benge >and her grand father was Obediah Martin Benge b. 1840. It's a small world >sometimes. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Don Ott" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 3:29 PM >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > > > > Karen, > > I assume you are talking about Obediah Martin Benge b. 1 Jan > > 1840 at Big Skin Bayou, Sequayah Dist. Indian Territory. I never did > > find a maiden name for his second wife Etta. Do You have that information? > > Don > > > > > > At 05:55 PM 12/3/2012, you wrote: > > > >>Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I > >>saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of > >>my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my > >>g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my > >>grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the > >>roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah > >>Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? > >>Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > >> > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's > >> at Winchester VA. Most > >> > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > >> > have > >> > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > >> are thankful > >> > for them. > >> > > >> > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > >> > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > >> Washington > >> > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know > >> > the > >> > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > >> > occupants > >> > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to > >> > rebuild. > >> > It is back-upped by out of print books. > >> > > >> > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And > >> > the > >> > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee > >> > and > >> > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > >> > LEE,) > >> > > >> > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > >> > > >> > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > >> > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > >> > > >> > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later > >> became "Federal > >> > Road" > >> > > >> > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > >> > Kentucky, > >> > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > >> > > >> > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY > >> > THIRD > >> > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > >> > AND > >> > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > >> > > >> > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > >> > Please > >> > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and > >> not by an act > >> > of friendship. Four thousand died. > >> > > >> > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > >> > from > >> > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > >> > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > >> > > >> > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote > >> a book out > >> > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > >> > > >> > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > >> > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > >> > > >> > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian > >> linage goes back to > >> > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > >> > > >> > BARB > >> > >> > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > >> chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >> > >>Rude people will be moderated asap! > >>List archive > >>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >>Dual admin. > >>Dan and Joyce > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is >required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >Rude people will be moderated asap! >List archive >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >Dual admin. >Dan and Joyce >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message