Thanks for clarifying the documents you know, or do not know of. I believed the James William David McDaniel born in Scotland about 1716 that I have on my tree would indeed be known as white as many scots I think were considered to be describing race or color. The ethnicity of the children between them is what comes up in question then...If they were indeed the children of him and Sookie "Granny" Hopper. This comes from my tree, not a copy and paste of the linked one that was in previous e-mails that I sent with my questions. Register Report for James William David McDANIELGeneration 11. James William David McDANIEL-1 was born about 1716 in Scotland. He died before 1816.Sookie "Granny" HOPPER Su-Gi Schwanz of the WOLF CLAN was born in 1742 in Cherokee Nation East. She died before 1842. Notes for Sookie "Granny" HOPPER: General Notes: The Sookie is the Indian equivalent of Susy. Not sure who told me this. James William David McDANIEL and Sookie "Granny" HOPPER were married in 1762 in Tennessee, USA. They had the following children: i. ii. iii. iv. Notes for Alexander M. McDANIEL: General Notes: *Cristy, [email protected]_______ says they lived in Moundville, Mason County, West Virginia. v. vi. vii. on 28 Sep 1786 in Randolph County, North Carolina, USA. She died before 1855. Notes for Elizabeth Quatsey McDANIEL: General Notes: The e-mail from Tarrie **_______ with the information in this as to her ethnic background and who her parents were, came from her grandma that remembered being told of Sookie and does know that she was Indian. viii. ix. x. xi. xii. xiii.   As to death date, I just use my 100 yr. rule of putting a death date on tree. I am thinking they have passed on, and if they haven't well it may not make a bit of diff to them if their name and birth date is on a tree somewhere in house, or on internet. To say this info is sketchy is an understatement....and oh so not proved except the oral hand me down info of someone/s. And I understand that is not making it documented.  Page 1 Wednesday, December 12, 2012 11:25:14 A  * email addy blanked out to protect privacy**Her surname blanked to help protect her identity.daughter of Chief Old Hop/Old Hop Canagatoga Of Chote MOTOY andCatherine McDANIEL was born before 1764. She died before 1864.James McDANIEL was born in 1764. He died before 1864.William McDANIEL was born in 1766. He died before 1876.Alexander M. McDANIEL was born after 1762. He died before 1870.Lewis McDANIEL was born in 1770. He died before 1790.Lucinda McDANIEL was born in 1772. She died before 1872.Elizabeth Quatsey McDANIEL was born in 1774. She married James Thomas ESSARYNellie McDANIEL was born in 1786. She died before 1776.Ruth McDANIEL was born in 1778. She died before 1878.Sarah McDANIEL was born in 1780. She died before 1880.David McDANIEL was born about 1781. He died before 1881.Ellis McDANIEL was born about 1782. He died before 1882.Mary McDANIEL was born about 1783. She died before 1883. Judy, un beau gachis Born with a 1200 ft. question looking for a sixty in. answer. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=gary_young http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/y/o/u/Judith-A-Young/  ________________________________ From: Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, December 12, 2012 10:20:01 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] John McDaniel Judy I do not nor have I seen any documentation that Granny Hopper was mother to the McDaniel children.  She was, by all indications, the daughter of Old Hop but I've not seen documentation of that either.  One of the others, Susan or Kathie may have something but I don't.  Neither have I seen documents that verify or alledge to William or David McDaniel being the father of the McDaniels.  There is a William McDaniel who received a North Carolina 1817-1819 Reservation and that's all I know of him.  On the other hand I have seen testimony that the mother of Alex McDaniel was Nancy Bolin. There is a James and John McDaniel in Roane, McMinn, Meigs & Rhea Counties but I've not researched them enough to say they were of Cherokee descent. By what I have seen they appear to be mostly white. Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message