This is not a Cherokee study list. Its genealogy. Meaning people connecting names (not) history. [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. This list is only to help people connect names. The rest is moot here. Thanks. Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a name connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. Aho? On Dec 4, 2012 6:51 PM, "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> wrote: > When researching the Cherokee, one must take all information and then > follow > up till there is no where else to go. > But I would take anything government says with a grain of salt. Just use > that information as a set of clues. > > Government says that "if it is not in writing, It never was so." > However, memorising around the camp fire is a long Native tradition. It was > part of the learning process, before the Cherokee had to hide. Then > genealogy was hidden.( to protect the family) > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > I have always taken information given to me with a grain of salt....not > > because i didn't believe that the person could be true. But because, as > > you > > said, its just their word. No back up. > > > > My dad grew up knowing he had Cherokee blood in him. He thought/assumed > > that > > it was his grandma who was the full blood or at least 1/2, mainly because > > of > > her facial appearance. But also because he went to Tahlequah with her by > > train to fill out her application for the Eastern Band of Cherokee. She > > was > > suppose to go back the next day to answer some more questions, but she > > didn't have the money for a hotel room or food for her let alone both of > > them. Now this is his account of this day. But.....somewhere there's a > > record of her doing this. I just haven't found it yet. :) > > > > But when I found the applications for his great grandma (my dbl great), > he > > wanted to argue because he thought it was his grandma (my great) until i > > showed him what i found. > > > > The other story is that my great grandma's brother Sam found their > > connection & proved it & he was able to get their land. I have no where > to > > look for later proof, but it wasn't with their applications that they did > > in > > 1907. So I told my dad that just because he said or that his grandma > > said...won't work when contacting the CNO, I have to "show" proof LOL > > > > I had to laugh when you mentioned the Journal in book form as proof. I > > have > > a copy of my great grandpa's divorce record....its a "journal" of his > > court > > record of asking for a divorce through a court. Its hand written. I told > > family on this side of the tree & they wanted to argue because no one > knew > > that our great grandpa was married or divorced prior to our great > grandma. > > I > > said he also had 2 kids prior & our uncle from the second marriage had > > been > > in touch with them......ohhhhhhh talk about a skeleton filled closet :) > > > > Alli ;0) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 6:15 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > >I once knew a doctor's assistant who was Cherokee and a member of the > > > Keetowah Band. I once asked her about a written or oral history of the > > > Cherokee Indian. Her simple statement was that there wasn't one. > > > Only > > > an > > > oral history. Then I'm reminded of the 1950's tv show with a man named > > > Art > > > Linkletter. It was an earlier version of today's 'talk show'. At the > > > beginning of one show he went to someone in the first row of the > > > audience > > > and gave them a phrase to pass on to a person in the next row then > wrote > > > down the phrase. Throughout the show the phrase was passed from one > > > person > > > to another until it got to the back row of seats. At the end of the > > > show > > > Mr. Linkletter asked the person to tell what he'd been told. Not > > > suprisingly, the phrase he was told then was nothing like the phrase > > > that > > > he'd begun with. > > > > > > In genealogical circles, oral history is never considered documentation > > > unless there's other evidence to back it up. So, can we accept > Cherokee > > > elder's stories as genealogical family history? > > > > > > BOOKS? Books, according to the highest genealogical standards, are > > > always > > > considered SECONDARY resources. It doesn't matters how many books one > > > reads > > > if the books aren't historically accurate, with citations, resources > > > then > > > it > > > is just someone's fictional tale. I've seen many books that resourced > a > > > dozen other books....not one primary resource in the lot. These are > not > > > acceptable genealogical proof. Although there are exceptions to > > > this....in > > > my opinion. Journal transcriptions in book form, transcriptions of > > > deeds > > > or > > > other primary resources are acceptable. The journals of Needham & > > > Fallam, > > > Lawson & Gist, for instance. > > > > > > So, when we read someone else's opinion or listen to someone's stories > > > about > > > a history do we accept these in blind faith? Or do we act like good > > > researchers and verify the sources, check the facts? The only solid > > > documentation we have in most cases of Indian and white relationships > in > > > colonial times are the records kept by the whites. Do we take these > > > with > > > grains of salt...sure we do! > > > > > > This and all these lists are for genealogy not mythology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I responded to the one message already, but I'll switch it to the culture list next time :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > This is not a Cherokee study list. > Its genealogy. > Meaning people connecting names (not) history. > [email protected] is where we talk about Cherokee in general. > This list is only to help people connect names. > The rest is moot here. > Thanks. > Folks. If you want to chit chat I have a empty group on yahoo calked The > American Indian yall can join to battle what info is good or bad. If a > name > connects.. It connects. I dont see any relivancy to enclosed topic here. > Aho?