I so enjoyed reading your story on helping others. Without being able to confirm anything for myself, I have helped others with their searches with only one being able to confirm t their native roots. His grandmother was Creek. It was a pleasure to have helped him. Recently, I also have helped trace two of my cousins' biological families. Their Mother passed and took their paternal biological info to her grave. I know this is off of subject, so thank you Dan for opening up a 4-day chat. If anyone could help me with my names, I'd be so grateful. In a message dated 12/28/2012 3:12:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Because of Cherokee Gene I have learned a very great deal not only about Cherokee genealogy but a part of American history I never, ever learned about. I lived in Oklahoma until 7 years ago and was able to go to Tahlequah several times a year, met David Hampton and the genealogists at the Cherokee Heritage Center, chatted with Jack Baker and Bob Blankenship and his very charismatic son who owns One Feather Books in Tahlequah. They were all of help to me as I researched beginning in 1999 for a friend who had been given one tiny piece of bad information that totally threw off her research for years. The more I researched her family, the more I fell in love with the Cherokee people. We are said to have Cherokee blood, but I know from looking at the records the chances are slim to none I will ever prove that - right places, right times, but there are no government records for the time and no family Bibles or other family records. But it's not necessary. I can help others prove theirs. I have been able to help that original friend, who was another Joyce, worked with Alli and Debbie and Joyce (on a number of projects), solved a 150 year-old mystery and the list goes on forever. I think the most satisfying was helping my cousin's son-in-law discover his Cherokee roots and seeing David fall in love with his Cherokee heritage. I still haven't gotten him the Rider applications in his line, just the Thompsons, but watching him develop research skills and navigate Cherokee records has been a joy. He was reared in foster homes, so he didn't grow up with the cousins and aunts and uncles who knew part of the story (not all of it though, and David has been able to teach THEM!),only learning of his heritage in the past year. And in the process, I learned why my great grandfather, Thomas Jefferson Wood packed up 8 of his children 3 weeks after his first wife, Mary Jane "Janie" Love died, and went to Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory, when on the surface there appeared to be absolutely no reason for him to leave his siblings and older children behind in Nevada County, Arkansas. That piece of information came from researching the Dawes application for a mixed blood freedman named Moses Crittenden and his sister's application which placed them in Choctaw Nation during the Civil War where, lo and behold, was a Chickasaw Love family in which the wife was the product of a Chickasaw/Cherokee lineage from around Muscle Shoals, AL, the household of Robert Love. I had long thought Janie's grandfather was the son of Thomas Love, the Tory who would not fight on either side in the Revolution and sought sanctuary in the old Chickasaw Nation, where he married a Chickasaw girl and had a large family with her. Their son, Thomas Jr is last seen in Chickasaw records at age 18 , then a Thomas Love/Lauve appears from nowhere in Arkansas, not far from Choctaw Nation. A portrait of Thomas and Janie Wood shows him obviously white and her obviously copper skinned. It was often found among the Cherokee (and the Chickasaw) that the husband took his offspring to his mother-in-law or his dead wife's oldest brother (or other male relative) to be raised. I believe Thomas went to that specific part of Choctaw Nation (Robert Love was the Postmaster of the town he went to) to find Janie's relatives and some help with raising his 8 youngest children. It couldn't have been easy to work all day and have to worry about how they were. I never would have discovered that had Lydia Quinton and Elijah and Sydney Crittenden Phillips not gone down to Choctaw Nation for safety's sake, taking their extended families and slaves with them. Talk about serendipity! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chat always brings out some interesting data. l;)) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 12:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] SUSAN & help with my names I so enjoyed reading your story on helping others. Without being able to confirm anything for myself, I have helped others with their searches with only one being able to confirm t their native roots. His grandmother was Creek. It was a pleasure to have helped him. Recently, I also have helped trace two of my cousins' biological families. Their Mother passed and took their paternal biological info to her grave. I know this is off of subject, so thank you Dan for opening up a 4-day chat. If anyone could help me with my names, I'd be so grateful. In a message dated 12/28/2012 3:12:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Because of Cherokee Gene I have learned a very great deal not only about Cherokee genealogy but a part of American history I never, ever learned about. I lived in Oklahoma until 7 years ago and was able to go to Tahlequah several times a year, met David Hampton and the genealogists at the Cherokee Heritage Center, chatted with Jack Baker and Bob Blankenship and his very charismatic son who owns One Feather Books in Tahlequah. They were all of help to me as I researched beginning in 1999 for a friend who had been given one tiny piece of bad information that totally threw off her research for years. The more I researched her family, the more I fell in love with the Cherokee people. We are said to have Cherokee blood, but I know from looking at the records the chances are slim to none I will ever prove that - right places, right times, but there are no government records for the time and no family Bibles or other family records. But it's not necessary. I can help others prove theirs. I have been able to help that original friend, who was another Joyce, worked with Alli and Debbie and Joyce (on a number of projects), solved a 150 year-old mystery and the list goes on forever. I think the most satisfying was helping my cousin's son-in-law discover his Cherokee roots and seeing David fall in love with his Cherokee heritage. I still haven't gotten him the Rider applications in his line, just the Thompsons, but watching him develop research skills and navigate Cherokee records has been a joy. He was reared in foster homes, so he didn't grow up with the cousins and aunts and uncles who knew part of the story (not all of it though, and David has been able to teach THEM!),only learning of his heritage in the past year. And in the process, I learned why my great grandfather, Thomas Jefferson Wood packed up 8 of his children 3 weeks after his first wife, Mary Jane "Janie" Love died, and went to Choctaw Nation, Indian Territory, when on the surface there appeared to be absolutely no reason for him to leave his siblings and older children behind in Nevada County, Arkansas. That piece of information came from researching the Dawes application for a mixed blood freedman named Moses Crittenden and his sister's application which placed them in Choctaw Nation during the Civil War where, lo and behold, was a Chickasaw Love family in which the wife was the product of a Chickasaw/Cherokee lineage from around Muscle Shoals, AL, the household of Robert Love. I had long thought Janie's grandfather was the son of Thomas Love, the Tory who would not fight on either side in the Revolution and sought sanctuary in the old Chickasaw Nation, where he married a Chickasaw girl and had a large family with her. Their son, Thomas Jr is last seen in Chickasaw records at age 18 , then a Thomas Love/Lauve appears from nowhere in Arkansas, not far from Choctaw Nation. A portrait of Thomas and Janie Wood shows him obviously white and her obviously copper skinned. It was often found among the Cherokee (and the Chickasaw) that the husband took his offspring to his mother-in-law or his dead wife's oldest brother (or other male relative) to be raised. I believe Thomas went to that specific part of Choctaw Nation (Robert Love was the Postmaster of the town he went to) to find Janie's relatives and some help with raising his 8 youngest children. It couldn't have been easy to work all day and have to worry about how they were. I never would have discovered that had Lydia Quinton and Elijah and Sydney Crittenden Phillips not gone down to Choctaw Nation for safety's sake, taking their extended families and slaves with them. Talk about serendipity! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; topic specific certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to [email protected] Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message