I didn't intend to open a can of worms the other night, but I have been doing some reading in a book by Archibald Kennedy Cassilis called: The rulers of Strathspey : a history of the lairds of Grant and earls of Seafield , Inverness: The Northern Counties Newspaper and Print. and Pub. Co., 1911, 235 pgs. This is a well-documented accounting of the Clan Grant's leadership. This book chronicles the Grant family in Scotland that is traditionally cited as that of the Scots trader Ludovic Grant, progenitor of the mixed blood Cherokee family of that name. As a rule, it is traditionally accepted that Ludovic was the "Clan Chief" of Clan Grant and, after capture at the Battle of Prestonpans in 1715 (this Jacobite uprising is called "The 15") lost his lands, was transported to the Colonies aboard the Susannah, landing at Charleston (does anyone know if this came from one of Starr's notes or Dobson?). It is further believed his cousins went to Boston and the Caribbean. I can buy the possibility of Jamaica or one of the other islands, but Boston doesn't sound quite right. I might be wrong, but it seems most of those transported to the Colonies went either to Virginia (which included the islands if I recall correctly), Maryland, Pennsylvania, a few points south. I haven't run across Boston. I've also seen at least one claim he was the 2nd Baronet, himself. However, while there are several Ludovics in the Strathspey lineage, none of them meet the profile for the Cherokee trader. I posted information on Ludovic Grant and Janet Brodie the other evening. This Ludovic was born about 1665 and was 8th Laird of Feruchie, 1st Laird of Grant (this is the first "official" use if the Grant designator). He had the potential to be the father or grandfather of Trader Ludovic. His son John had a son Ludovic born 1707, though, so this turned out to not be plausible. This second Ludovic would have been only 8 years old at the Battle of Prestonpans and his life, and death in 1773, are documented in Scotland. The most telling point on the Ludovics of this line is that they all lived and died in Scotland. The other important point is that the Grants of this line were staunch Royalists and fought against the Jacobites. The only conclusion I can draw is he did not come from this particular Clan Grant, which is that of the Clan Chief, but one of the branches of the clan. Just as a matter of interest, Sir Ludovic Grant, 8th of Feruchie, 1st of Grant was a major force behind standardization of tartan color and design by clan in the early 1700's and is credited as having the first official clan tartan. Most likely, Trader Ludovic came from Grant of Glenmoriston (some authorities list this as recognized as its own clan, but it is still a branch from the main clan) or of Dalvey. Glenmoriston traces its origin to one John Mor' Grant, the "natural" (had to look this one up. Leave it to the British to come up with an elegant way of saying illegitimate) son of John Grant, 2d Laird of Feruchie (John's father was Duncan, 1st of Feruchie) and reportedly a daughter of Baron Stewart of Kincardine. Glenmoriston was staunchly Jacobite. It was this branch that lost its lands in reprisal for the 15, but those lands returned to Grant control in 1733 under the Grants of Grant and Feruchie, not under Glenmoriston. John's younger brother, Patrick, was the progenitor of the Grants of Dalvey, later called Dunlugas in Banffshire, another possibility for Trader Ludovic as they were also Jacobite in their leanings. Neither of these two groups was very large at the time of the 15. There is one other possibility that needs to be explored, but I keep hitting a wall on it. One Walter Grant and his wife Margaret Leslie christened a son Lodovick at Boharm, Moray, Scotland in Nov 1862 (parish register, Boharm). I am looking into this, but I don't find Walter among the lineages above. Margaret Leslie was the daughter of a nobleman and I found one brief reference regarding their marriage in the Leslie family records. That book is several times longer than the Strathspey reference, so I haven't finished it yet. I believe this location was associated with the Grants of Glenmoriston, but can't find that in my notes at the moment. At any rate, this Ludovic is a good match for Trader Ludovic. It must also be noted that there were many people in the clan named Grant but not of the Laird's direct line. People often assumed the surname out of respect for the leader and added it to their own surnames. Ludovic could, of course, have been an illegitimate son of the laird, but these seem to have been acknowledged fairly well, so I hold my judgment on that score. It could also be one of those lovely, romantic tales with a grain of truth. Trader Ludovic could have been the son of a loyal retainer or distant kinsman who fought at his lord's bidding and embroidered that relationship when he go to this side of the ocean. Does anyone have this book or CD to check and see exactly what it says and which other Grants were transported to where after the 15 ? "Directory of Scots Banished to the American Plantations, 1650-1775", by David Dobson, Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, 1983 Happy time travels! Susan