In a message dated 12/31/2005 9:53:41 PM Central Standard Time, gleek@ptd.net writes: Who were his parents? I am NOT an expert on this topic and am simply repeating what is written in a book I own... I have included some notes for you, read the following and you will see what I am trying to say:) (mailto:walknstx@aol.com) That said, Dub West's Among the Cherokees states the following, which includes direct quotes and are not simply my opinion... This book is a book of Biographies of the Western Cherokee and starts with "Emigration from the East", next section covers The Bowl or Colonel Bowles. Next covered is "Texas Settlements" & "Battle of the Neches" & "Migration from Texas", all this is mentioned on pages 1 & 2. Page 3 covers Takatoka, 2nd Chief of the Western Cherokees, 1813-1818... he, John Jolly, & John D. Chisolm were signers of the Treaty of 1817. Page 4 and part of 5 covers Tahlonteskee and mentions that John Jolly is his brother. Side note: This page also mentions Springfrog <my husband's family>; Springfrog is said to have the oldest marked grave in Oklahoma's Indian Territory, it was shaped like a coffin... Page 6 covers John Jolly <I posted it yesterday> Page 7 covers Walter Webber, described as "a half brother of Chief John Jolly" and assistant chief during Jolly's tenure; this says that Webber was a member of a delegation to Washington on 26 Feb 1823, when they called on Secretary of War, John Calhoun... Also, Webber, John Bown & Sam Houston were in Washington in early 1830 to press charges against the Indian agents. Webber was Chairman of this trio. Page 8 tells of Tachee, Called Dutch or Captain William Dutch. This page cites Caroline Thomas Foreman's "very comprehensive account" of Tachee, found in the Autumn 1849 issue of Chronicles of Oklahoma... "she <Foreman> says that Tachee was the third of four sons of Skyugo, a noted Cherokee Chief, and that he held the title by inheritance and the rank was never questioned by the Indians, as he maintained it with honor... he was born at Turkey Town, on the Coosa River, about 1790. As a child of 5, he accompanied his mother, and uncle Thomas Taylor, to the St. Francis River in Arkansas to escape the encroachments of the whites" & "Dutch was one of the signers of the Treaty of 1835. He was elected 3rd Chief of the western Cherokees in 1839" Pages 9 & 10 reference Chief John <Captain Jack> Rogers and note: "Chief John Rogers was the son of John Rogers "White Trader" and Elizabeth DUE. Chief John was the half brother of Tiana Rogers.... He was born in Burke Co., GA., in 1779, and was known as Nolichucky. He was generally called Captain Jack, a title acquired in the Creek War of 1813-1814, as a member of a Company commanded by Andrew Jackson. He <Rogers> removed to the country of the western Cherokees in 1821 <in 1821, Cherokee country was south of the Arkansas River near Dardanelle, Arkansas, Pope County> and to Indian Territory in 1829. He became Chief of the western Cherokees upon the death of Chief John Jolly, his uncle... He <Rogers> was a member of the delegation to Washington which signed the Treaty of 1828, on the 6th of May, which provided for the removal of the Western Cherokees to Indian Territory. Rogers was also a member of the delegation to Washington headed by Chief John Jolly in November of 1831 which rejected amalgamation and liquidation of the Government of the western Cherokees. He obtained a salt spring from Sam Houston, who ha acquired it from Colonel Choteau, since Houston was not permitted to operate it. Rogers operated a trading post at Fort Gibson. His last home was on the bank of Panther Creek near Claremore... The old Chief made a trip to Washington urging the consideration of the rights of the Old Settlers and died at the boarding house of Mrs. Eugene Townsley, June 12, 1846. He was buried in the National Cemetery. Page 11 mention John Rogers "White Trader": J. B. Meserve in Chronicles of Oklahoma gives the following concerning John Rogers, "The interesting old white trader, John Rogers, departed from the East with a party of emigrants on October 18, 1817, arriving among the Indians of the White River country April 18, 1818. John Rogers, of Scotch descent, had lived and traded among the Cherokees for many years which reached back to the period before the Revolution. His life was saved by John Sevier in 1792. In 1805, along with Major Ridge and Alexander Sanders <this Sanders is also my husband's family> became involved in the killing of Chief Doublehead" Per Dub West; "He <John Rogers> married Elizabeth DUE, granddaughter of Ludovic Grant. They had 2 sons, John <Jack> and James, both prominent Cherokees. Upon the death of his first wife, he married her daughter, Jennie DUE. There were two daughters of this marriage, Tiana, who married Sam Houston, and Martha, the mother of Jesse Chisolm, famous Indian Scout and Interpreter..." Others mentioned in this book are: Sequoyah - his sister married Tahlonteskee... Major George Lowery a cousin of Sequoyah... Agent William Lovely - he acquired over 7 million acres in Arkansas for the Cherokees... John Brown, son of Tsa - Luh and a half brother of Walter Webber... John Looney... Thomas Chisolm, son of John D. "Soldier of Fortune" Chisolm, Thomas was the last Head Chief to come to Office by Heredity... Chief Richard Fields, of the Texas Cherokees... Blackcoat... Joseph Vann... General Matthew Arbuckle... Sam Houston... Tiana Rogers... Oliver Hazard Perry Brewer... and many, many others:) Suzy Johnson Pocola, Choctaw Nation (mailto:walknstx@aol.com)