In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:15:22 PM Central Standard Time, jgreece@earthlink.net writes: Most researcher give no more than a half-brother relationship between Tahlonteeskee and Jolly and we don't know if it was because they had the same mother or same father. I don't know the answer to the mother or father issue, but I assume it is the mother, as Cherokee society was matrilineal at this time... I also recommend to anyone interested in this topic to read the Journal of Thomas Nuttall, earlier referenced. Nuttall's information is based on a Government trip, taken in 1819. Nuttall cites seeing Rogers, Webber, Jolly and many other Cherokee in 1819, he names them by name. Nuttall's Journal is one of the sources cited by Dub West, who was a well known and highly respected researcher of Oklahoma's History. Suzy