Thanks for that warning of errors! I had hoped to possibly find a family name for my maternal ggg grandmother born ca 1795/99 who is supposedly 1/2 Cherokee, but I found nothing and I was permitted to view all the Roll books at the 5 Civilized Tribes Museum in Muskogee, OK in April - again, I found nothing although I did find some JAMES BROWN's listed. Her name is (I have 3 choices for spelling!): LENA, LENNAH, LEANNAH. She married JOHN A. DYER b: 1790 abt. 1816 in TN. Some family researchers believe her father to be JAMES BROWN - this is a possiblity since their first born child was a son who was named JAMES BROWN DYER. This family moved south into what they thought was Marion County Alabama and their land purchases were eventually discovered to be in Itawamba County Mississippi when "Mississippi Territory" gained statehood in 1836. I visited this homesite in Oct. 2002 to photograph that area and the Dyer Cemetery located a short distance from where the homestead had stood. It is so heavily wooded a 156 years after John's death in 1846 that one wonders where the farming land was located!, but what a view they had. . .. The more I learn about my ancestors, the harder it is to fit in the "little pieces". John A. Dyer fathered ten (10) children that grew to adulthood and began families of their own. My gg grandfather's children were left without a father when he was killed in the civil war, and my g. grandmother (3 when her daddy was killed) grew up believing that she was "Black Dutch" - more so from her mother's grandfather as I read her side of this ancestry. He is identified as a little black dutchman, named Fletcher (his surname) with no mention of having any Indian blood. Recordings of this family I am collecting leads me to believe that the grandchildren of JOHN A. DYER and LENA, LENNAH or LEANNAH ?? were the generation that chose to hide their Indian blood and chose to identify themselves as white. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > much of this book is on line. This book was well done for its time but there > are many mistakes in it and many consider it beyond reproach but Starr sure > did mess up my family line in it. Read it with this in mind. Check its info > against other records like the Daws and Miller rolls. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > My husband ordered "HISTORY OF THE CHEROKEE INDIANS" BY E. Starr for me > > sometime in April this year I believe from Amazon and it was delayed a few > > weeks, but the book binder states" Kraus" ( Kraus Reprint Co., Millwood, > > N.Y.) REPRINT. A page facing the PREFACE page states "Copyright 1922 by > > the > > Warden Co." "New Reprint Printing 1991". > > I think he paid $65.00 plus shipping and taxes. This book is 680 > > pages. > > This will be a new book for your shelf. > > Hope this helps someone. Bettye > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > >> This book is for anyone who want one. It has to following Cherokee > > families > >> in it. > >> Cordery, Ghugau or Nancy Ward, Otterlifter, Ridge-Watie, Ross, Saunders > > and > >> Ward. > >> I descemd out of Nancy and so have not really looked at the other lines. > > He > >> covers 4 generations. He probably does the same for the other lines. This > > is > >> to update the Starr book. For more about Nancy Ward's family you need his > >> other book on the Dexcendaths of Nancy Ward. I do not know if there are > > any > >> of them avaible. > >> Glee > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "izzie" <izzie@sstelco.com> > >> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:17 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > >> > >> > >> > Can this book be bought by others. Me for example? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Donna > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >> > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >> > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >> > Please Good manors and no flaming others > >> > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > >> > visit > >> > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> > You can also find what you need search the archives > >> > or to get off this list via web site below > >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >> > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >> Please Good manors and no flaming others > >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> You can also find what you need search the archives > >> or to get off this list via web site below > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Osiyo Bettye, According to the bibliography of Hampton's 'Cherokee Mixed Bloods' there are no Dyers or Fletchers in it. There is a James Brown on pg. 429, Robert Sanders and ____. Their children were Ellis Sanders b. c. 1831 m. Martha Jane Brown, daughter of James Brown and Rachel McIntosh, c. 1855, divorced and then m. Cynthia Frye, daughter of Edward Frye and Nancy Youngguppy. Bettye Woodhull <betron1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Thanks for that warning of errors! I had hoped to possibly find a family name for my maternal ggg grandmother born ca 1795/99 who is supposedly 1/2 Cherokee, but I found nothing and I was permitted to view all the Roll books at the 5 Civilized Tribes Museum in Muskogee, OK in April - again, I found nothing although I did find some JAMES BROWN's listed. Her name is (I have 3 choices for spelling!): LENA, LENNAH, LEANNAH. She married JOHN A. DYER b: 1790 abt. 1816 in TN. Some family researchers believe her father to be JAMES BROWN - this is a possiblity since their first born child was a son who was named JAMES BROWN DYER. This family moved south into what they thought was Marion County Alabama and their land purchases were eventually discovered to be in Itawamba County Mississippi when "Mississippi Territory" gained statehood in 1836. I visited this homesite in Oct. 2002 to photograph that area and the Dyer Cemetery located a short distance from where the homestead had stood. It is so heavily wooded a 156 years after John's death in 1846 that one wonders where the farming land was located!, but what a view they had. . .. The more I learn about my ancestors, the harder it is to fit in the "little pieces". John A. Dyer fathered ten (10) children that grew to adulthood and began families of their own. My gg grandfather's children were left without a father when he was killed in the civil war, and my g. grandmother (3 when her daddy was killed) grew up believing that she was "Black Dutch" - more so from her mother's grandfather as I read her side of this ancestry. He is identified as a little black dutchman, named Fletcher (his surname) with no mention of having any Indian blood. Recordings of this family I am collecting leads me to believe that the grandchildren of JOHN A. DYER and LENA, LENNAH or LEANNAH ?? were the generation that chose to hide their Indian blood and chose to identify themselves as white. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" To: Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > much of this book is on line. This book was well done for its time but there > are many mistakes in it and many consider it beyond reproach but Starr sure > did mess up my family line in it. Read it with this in mind. Check its info > against other records like the Daws and Miller rolls. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bettye Woodhull" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > My husband ordered "HISTORY OF THE CHEROKEE INDIANS" BY E. Starr for me > > sometime in April this year I believe from Amazon and it was delayed a few > > weeks, but the book binder states" Kraus" ( Kraus Reprint Co., Millwood, > > N.Y.) REPRINT. A page facing the PREFACE page states "Copyright 1922 by > > the > > Warden Co." "New Reprint Printing 1991". > > I think he paid $65.00 plus shipping and taxes. This book is 680 > > pages. > > This will be a new book for your shelf. > > Hope this helps someone. Bettye > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Glee Krapf" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > >> This book is for anyone who want one. It has to following Cherokee > > families > >> in it. > >> Cordery, Ghugau or Nancy Ward, Otterlifter, Ridge-Watie, Ross, Saunders > > and > >> Ward. > >> I descemd out of Nancy and so have not really looked at the other lines. > > He > >> covers 4 generations. He probably does the same for the other lines. This > > is > >> to update the Starr book. For more about Nancy Ward's family you need his > >> other book on the Dexcendaths of Nancy Ward. I do not know if there are > > any > >> of them avaible. > >> Glee > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "izzie" > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:17 PM > >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > >> > >> > >> > Can this book be bought by others. Me for example? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > Donna > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >> > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >> > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >> > Please Good manors and no flaming others > >> > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > >> > visit > >> > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> > You can also find what you need search the archives > >> > or to get off this list via web site below > >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >> > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >> Please Good manors and no flaming others > >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> You can also find what you need search the archives > >> or to get off this list via web site below > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Thanks, Jerri! ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > Osiyo Bettye, > > According to the bibliography of Hampton's 'Cherokee Mixed Bloods' there are no Dyers or Fletchers in it. There is a James Brown on pg. 429, Robert Sanders and ____. Their children were Ellis Sanders b. c. 1831 m. Martha Jane Brown, daughter of James Brown and Rachel McIntosh, c. 1855, divorced and then m. Cynthia Frye, daughter of Edward Frye and Nancy Youngguppy. > > Bettye Woodhull <betron1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks for that warning of errors! I had hoped to possibly find a > family name for my maternal ggg grandmother born ca 1795/99 who is > supposedly 1/2 Cherokee, but I found nothing and I was permitted to view > all the Roll books at the 5 Civilized Tribes Museum in Muskogee, OK in > April - again, I found nothing although I did find some JAMES BROWN's > listed. Her name is (I have 3 choices for spelling!): LENA, LENNAH, > LEANNAH. She married JOHN A. DYER b: 1790 abt. 1816 in TN. Some family > researchers believe her father to be JAMES BROWN - this is a possiblity > since their first born child was a son who was named JAMES BROWN DYER. This > family moved south into what they thought was Marion County Alabama and > their land purchases were eventually discovered to be in Itawamba County > Mississippi when "Mississippi Territory" gained statehood in 1836. I > visited this homesite in Oct. 2002 to photograph that area and the Dyer > Cemetery located a short distance from where the homestead had stood. It is > so heavily wooded a 156 years after John's death in 1846 that one wonders > where the farming land was located!, but what a view they had. . .. > The more I learn about my ancestors, the harder it is to fit in the > "little pieces". John A. Dyer fathered ten (10) children that grew to > adulthood and began families of their own. My gg grandfather's children > were left without a father when he was killed in the civil war, and my g. > grandmother (3 when her daddy was killed) grew up believing that she was > "Black Dutch" - more so from her mother's grandfather as I read her side of > this ancestry. He is identified as a little black dutchman, named Fletcher > (his surname) with no mention of having any Indian blood. Recordings of > this family I am collecting leads me to believe that the grandchildren of > JOHN A. DYER and LENA, LENNAH or LEANNAH ?? were the generation that chose > to hide their Indian blood and chose to identify themselves as white. > Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glee Krapf" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > much of this book is on line. This book was well done for its time but > there > > are many mistakes in it and many consider it beyond reproach but Starr > sure > > did mess up my family line in it. Read it with this in mind. Check its > info > > against other records like the Daws and Miller rolls. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bettye Woodhull" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 5:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > > > My husband ordered "HISTORY OF THE CHEROKEE INDIANS" BY E. Starr for > me > > > sometime in April this year I believe from Amazon and it was delayed a > few > > > weeks, but the book binder states" Kraus" ( Kraus Reprint Co., Millwood, > > > N.Y.) REPRINT. A page facing the PREFACE page states "Copyright 1922 by > > > the > > > Warden Co." "New Reprint Printing 1991". > > > I think he paid $65.00 plus shipping and taxes. This book is 680 > > > pages. > > > This will be a new book for your shelf. > > > Hope this helps someone. Bettye > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Glee Krapf" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 2:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > > > > >> This book is for anyone who want one. It has to following Cherokee > > > families > > >> in it. > > >> Cordery, Ghugau or Nancy Ward, Otterlifter, Ridge-Watie, Ross, Saunders > > > and > > >> Ward. > > >> I descemd out of Nancy and so have not really looked at the other > lines. > > > He > > >> covers 4 generations. He probably does the same for the other lines. > This > > > is > > >> to update the Starr book. For more about Nancy Ward's family you need > his > > >> other book on the Dexcendaths of Nancy Ward. I do not know if there are > > > any > > >> of them avaible. > > >> Glee > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "izzie" > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 1:17 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > >> > > >> > > >> > Can this book be bought by others. Me for example? > > >> > > > >> > Thanks > > >> > Donna > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >> > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >> > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >> > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >> > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > > >> > visit > > >> > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >> > You can also find what you need search the archives > > >> > or to get off this list via web site below > > >> > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >> > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >> Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >> You can also find what you need search the archives > > >> or to get off this list via web site below > > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I have a Nancy (I think) Dyer that married a Phariss they were from Tn. Its believed that Nancy was supposedly Indian (Cherokee) & that she took the Dyer name from a Solider (Robert Dyer I think) that came to their farm. Don't have anything to verify or deny it was just given to me by another research. How they got it I don't know Alli :) On 7/25/05, Bettye Woodhull <betron1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > although I did find some JAMES BROWN's > listed. Her name is (I have 3 choices for spelling!): LENA, LENNAH, > LEANNAH. She married JOHN A. DYER b: 1790 abt. 1816 in TN. Some family > researchers believe her father to be JAMES BROWN - this is a possiblity > since their first born child was a son who was named JAMES BROWN DYER. The > more I learn about my ancestors, the harder it is to fit in the > "little pieces". John A. Dyer fathered ten (10) children that grew to > adulthood and began families of their own.