If you find a potential family member's app. get it you'd be surprise at the info. you can find. Alli :) On 3/15/06, LaRuth & Mark <lmgates@ghg.net> wrote: > Susan, > > Thank you so much. I have already learned a good deal from the > information you gave me. I will go in to some of these rolls and see > what else I can find. I am afraid that Richard Daniel B. Henderson's > mother may be the one with true Cherokee blood and we don't have her > maiden name. But I have been trying to look for brothers and sisters > and hope that one of them or their offspring made application. There > was a Robert Henderson (b 1780) that was a brother to John Henderson who > was Richard's father. Maybe the Robert you listed is a relative of his. > > Also, I did find an Eliza Henderson in one of the Cherokee applications, > age 55, BB (Blood % IW), #3198. I do not remember which roll I was in. > But Eliza A. Henderson (b 1840, GA) is Richard Daniel B. Henderson's > sister. Is there a way to know which roll it was by just the number? > I may just have to go back and try to retrace my steps. When I first > started, I didn't realize I needed the roll name > > You have been a great help and I really appreciate it. > > La Ruth > > Susan Reynolds wrote: > > > Hello, La Ruth! > > > > Cherokee research is fun, but can be a little frustrating. Maybe this > > will help. > > > > The Henderson Roll is one of three documents also called the Trail of > > Tears Roll. This roll was prepared in 1835 and was a listing of just > > over 16000 Cherokee who were to be sent from GA, NC, TN, AL to the > > Indian Territory in what is now OK. Not everyone on the Henderson > > Roll actually walked the Trail of Tears, but it is the base roll for > > that event. > > > > If you are looking at the Dawes Roll, the easiest way to do that is at > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php > > Ages on the regular cards here are as of 1900 for Cherokee Nation and > > on the Cherokee Minor Cards (children born after the initial process) > > as of 4 March 190 It can be a little confusing at first interpreting > > which parents belong to which person, but Jim Hicks' Cherokee Lineages > > can help you out there > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ > > Jim's work is based initially on the Starr genealogies and he is > > adding to and correcting those genealogies as he gets the > > documentation together. If you don't find much noted for > > documentation, he probably hasn't gotten there, yet. The Starr > > genealogies had some flaws, so don't take any of it for granted, > > verify it for yourself. Jim is the first to say new information comes > > to light all the time that completely changes the way a family is linked. > > > > Now, the Dawes Roll. If your people did not go to the Indian > > Territory you will not find them on the Dawes Roll. One of the major > > requirements for that land allotment was residence in the IT. If you > > find a record in the 1894 Index for the Dawes Commission, it means > > they applied, but never made it past the initial screening. This was > > most often due to the residency requirement, but it could also be > > because a person didn't appear on the 1880 or 1896 Cherokee Nation > > census, which was the other requirement. If a person did not appear > > on one of those, they could apply for citizenship (that's what this > > 1894 index covers, is those applications). There were many reasons a > > person might not be on the census. They may have been absent from the > > Cherokee Nation at the time of the enumeration. If they were away for > > more than 6 months, without the consent of the Cherokee government, > > they lost their citizenship and had to be reinstated. Many neglected > > to do this and had to be reinstated in 1894 and after 1896. This was > > done based on the testimony of other citizens, so there were some that > > were denied citizenship for political reasons and sometimes just > > because people were mad at them and it was a way to get back at them. > > Most often, it was because their families had been gone from the > > Nation so long no one knew them or remembered their ancestors. So, > > those applications on the 1894 index have genealogical value, but they > > won't provide paper proof of Cherokee ancestry. Many of us know we > > are Cherokee, but will never have the paper documentation. > > > > If your family remained in GA, you will need to look at the Eastern > > Rolls. I have Bob Blankenship's Cherokee Roots 1 which indexes the > > names on the Eastern Rolls and there were no Henderson's on any roll > > in his index which begins with the Reservation Rolls 1817. I also > > have his Guion Miller Roll Plus which shows the rejected applications > > as well as accepted applications for this commission which began it's > > work in 1909. This roll determined which persons were eligible for a > > per capita payment ordered by the Court of Appeals to compensate the > > Cherokee for loses incurred because of the Removals. If you think any > > of the people listed below are yours, it would be worth ordering the > > microfilm in at your local library or Family History Center. Each > > application should have a minimum of three generations listed in it. > > > > Henderson, California - appl # 39846 - GA > > Henderson, Emma - appl # 15259 - GA > > Henderson, Ester - appl # 41882 - GA > > Henderson, Genia - appl # 33555 - GA > > Henderson, Nancy E. - appl # 13749 - GA > > Henderson, Powell - appl # 43852 - GA > > Henderson, Robert - appl # 43854 - GA > > Henderson, W.P. - appl # 37368 - GA > > > > Rejection for the Miller Roll or any of the Rolls for that matter, > > doesn't mean they weren't Cherokee. It simply means they had lived in > > the white community as whites for so long they could not prove they > > were Cherokee. Or, as did sadly happen, sometimes they were rejected > > as I noted above even though they were known and acknowledged as > > Cherokee. Many fought the battle out in court and won. Others > > decided it wasn't worth the fight and let it drop there. Forsythe and > > Murray Counties were certainly in the heart of the old Cherokee Nation > > and your people may have hidden in plain sight when it was unsafe to > > be Cherokee - or any other Nation. If that is the case, you might > > never be able to prove it unless their names show up in someone else's > > Miller application that is accepted. > > > > I hope that helps some. > > > > Blessings! > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaRuth & Mark" <lmgates@ghg.net> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:55 PM > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Genealogy > > > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am also researching my family background. The family story is that > >> my great grandmother was 1/2 or 1/4 Indian and they think Cherokee. > >> Her name was Clifford Cordelia Henderson, born in Murray, GA, May 16, > >> 1856 or 1858. I have located a picture of her parents and they are > >> Richard Daniel B Henderson, born about 1836 in Georgia and Julia Ann > >> Green who was white. He is definitely Indian and possibly full > >> blood. The census for 1840, 1850 and 1860 shows him in Forsyth > >> County, GA. So I am trying to find information of his parents and > >> their background. Richard Daniel B. Henderson's parents are John > >> Henderson, born 1807 in GA, and Mary Henderson, born 1812 GA (no > >> maiden name). They seem to have mostly been in Forsyth County, but > >> also Murray County. > >> > >> I have looked in some Indian applications and census records, and > >> have found some John Henderson's, but nothing definite. Whenever you > >> look at a card, how do you know the date of the card or at least a > >> time frame? Most don't mention a date. So when I see how old one > >> John Henderson is, it doesn't help me much. > >> Also under the Armstrong Roll, it mentions a Henderson roll of 1835 > >> History of Cherokee Indians from AL, GA, TN, and NC. There is no way > >> to click on that and I didn't have any luck under the Armstrong > >> Roll. There seems to be several Hendersons in the Choctaw Indians > >> also. If someone can direct me, I would appreciate it. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> La Ruth Kendrick Gates > >> > >> > >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >> Please Good manors and no flaming others > >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >> You can also find what you need search the archives > >> or to get off this list via web site below > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > -- U.B.A.H. 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