Thanks for taking the time to reply. I suppose it just isn't in the cards for me to find this family. Hope this finds you well. Thanks again, Kevin In a message dated 3/25/2006 8:04:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, gleek@ptd.net writes: Joseph Martin Jr. had three wives and 20 children. Two with Betsy Ward the rest with white wives. Joseph was white. His brother, Johm, fathered children with Mary and Susannah Emory. I know a little about the children he had with Susannah because some of them connect to other members of my family. But I just do not know anything about the people who you are talking about. I cannot help you at all and and there are countless Martin families all over the us. Sorry, Glee