We need to remember we are talking about word usage, not word meaning. The anthropologists and ethnologists referred to wigwam as a dwelling --- usually not one that was a log house, and not a tipi. It is an Algonquin word, one of the first the Europeans would have heard when settling in the colonies. Sam Houston's trading post, located near Fort Gibson in the Cherokee Nation was called "Wigwam Neosho." and he didn't spend much time with the Plains tribes. Unless we can find the original letter and view it for accuracy, we may all just have to agree to disagree. Carolyne :-) >These are the results of a search done at wikipedia.com....according >to this definition it would not apply to the Cherokee of the >southeast and mid west....but I will search for more definitions. >But irregardless, I'm thinking it was a translation 'blooper'. > > > >A wickiup (or wikiup) is domed hut-like dwelling used by the >semi-nomadic Native American tribes of the arid regions of the west >and southwest North America, such as Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, >Utah, Idaho, California, and northern Mexico. > > > >The term wigwam also refers to a similar domed structure. The >difference in usage between wickiup and wigwam is that wickiup >refers to the dwellings of peoples mostly in the American Southwest >while wigwam refers to the dwellings mostly in the American >Northeast. Variation does exist between the terms, however. > >Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyne Gould > To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] John Jolly > > > A wigwam is a daubed "house" --- not a tipi --- and is an appropriate > term for Eastern Woodlands tribes, and ome others. Even if Jolly was > living in a stick-built house, he may have referred to it as a > wigwam, just as some Plains tribe traditionals today call their home, > their "lodge." > > Carolyne > > > > >In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:15:19 PM Central Standard Time, > >joyk@sc.rr.com writes: > > > >Did he actually call his home his *wigwam*? > > > > > > > > > >I think so because this biography I posted was transcribed from a book > >written by Dub West. > > > >Dub West was the city of Muskogee, Oklahoma's Historian at one time and a > >noted writer of Cherokee material. There may be reprints of his > >books available > >somewhere online, if not the library should have them. His History book > >credits include: Muskogee, I. T. - Queen City of the Southwest, > >Persons and Places > >of Indian Territory, Fort Gibson - Gateway to the West, The Mysteries of > >Sequoyah, Muskogee - From Statehood to Pearl Harbour, Tahlequah and > >the Cherokee > >Nation, Will Rogers - Oklahoma's Gift to America, Legends and Folklore of > >the Cherokees, Among the Cherokees, Oklahoma is OK, Only in >Oklahoma, Turning > >Back the Clock and Outlaws and Peace Officers of Indian Territory > > > >Suzy > > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Oh, Carolyne....I'm not disagreeing....just trying to be sure....and learn. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Carolyne Gould To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] John Jolly We need to remember we are talking about word usage, not word meaning. The anthropologists and ethnologists referred to wigwam as a dwelling --- usually not one that was a log house, and not a tipi. It is an Algonquin word, one of the first the Europeans would have heard when settling in the colonies. Sam Houston's trading post, located near Fort Gibson in the Cherokee Nation was called "Wigwam Neosho." and he didn't spend much time with the Plains tribes. Unless we can find the original letter and view it for accuracy, we may all just have to agree to disagree. Carolyne :-) >These are the results of a search done at wikipedia.com....according >to this definition it would not apply to the Cherokee of the >southeast and mid west....but I will search for more definitions. >But irregardless, I'm thinking it was a translation 'blooper'. > > > >A wickiup (or wikiup) is domed hut-like dwelling used by the >semi-nomadic Native American tribes of the arid regions of the west >and southwest North America, such as Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, >Utah, Idaho, California, and northern Mexico. > > > >The term wigwam also refers to a similar domed structure. The >difference in usage between wickiup and wigwam is that wickiup >refers to the dwellings of peoples mostly in the American Southwest >while wigwam refers to the dwellings mostly in the American >Northeast. Variation does exist between the terms, however. > >Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carolyne Gould > To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:21 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] John Jolly > > > A wigwam is a daubed "house" --- not a tipi --- and is an appropriate > term for Eastern Woodlands tribes, and ome others. Even if Jolly was > living in a stick-built house, he may have referred to it as a > wigwam, just as some Plains tribe traditionals today call their home, > their "lodge." > > Carolyne > > > > >In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:15:19 PM Central Standard Time, > >joyk@sc.rr.com writes: > > > >Did he actually call his home his *wigwam*? > > > > > > > > > >I think so because this biography I posted was transcribed from a book > >written by Dub West. > > > >Dub West was the city of Muskogee, Oklahoma's Historian at one time and a > >noted writer of Cherokee material. There may be reprints of his > >books available > >somewhere online, if not the library should have them. His History book > >credits include: Muskogee, I. T. - Queen City of the Southwest, > >Persons and Places > >of Indian Territory, Fort Gibson - Gateway to the West, The Mysteries of > >Sequoyah, Muskogee - From Statehood to Pearl Harbour, Tahlequah and > >the Cherokee > >Nation, Will Rogers - Oklahoma's Gift to America, Legends and Folklore of > >the Cherokees, Among the Cherokees, Oklahoma is OK, Only in >Oklahoma, Turning > >Back the Clock and Outlaws and Peace Officers of Indian Territory > > > >Suzy > > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com