HI, Dan! I think we can all agree that some of the great mysteries will lead to surprising results when we attempt to unravel them. I wonder though - why did they only do mtDNA? Did they not have any male skeletons to work with? In any given population it is far more likely the women will be from outside groups. They were easy prey for marauders, far more easily captured than warrior males and carried to far off places, impregnated by consent or otherwise. The male population, on the other hand was often far more stable, although often not so long lived because they lived a very dangerous life. I'd like to know what the other side of the DNA says. We only have one side of the story. There's no reason to believe Atlantis didn't exist. In every story there is at least a grain of truth at the core. The Atlantis myth or story, however you chose to label it, is no different. It just depends on how large the grain of truth might be. Could there have been an advanced population here long before modern man wants to believe? One whose homeland was destroyed and the remnants of that society fanned out across the globe, or at least the areas Cayce named? Certainly! I think it is supreme arrogance to think we are the only technologically advanced people that have ever been. Archaeological evidence leads to a different conclusion. Are we the only advanced people in the whole of creation? Again, I think likely not. There is much out there of which we have no knowledge. But it's also not right to present as fact what we cannot back up as fact and for which we have only myth - in the historical sense, not myth as in a false but widely believed story. We can neither prove nor disprove any of it, so it remains a mystery to us. What I find very interesting is the presence of haplogroup X. The article notes this type is found frequently in Iroquoian populations. The Cherokee would belong to this group unless they simply adopted the language and are not of the same genetic stock. It would be very enlightening to do a comparison. I have long wondered if the Cherokee came from the same stock as many of the other Native Americans. So many of the Cherokee, even before admixture, did not resemble the other nations and their culture and mythology is often quite different as well. How I'd love to be able to travel back in time to know for certain! Have a great evening, all! Susan On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: > Barb kept talking about things some people thought were off base. > But to look into those things you might find they were not so far off. > http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_basques.htm#Additional_Information > > Dan > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sure your comments. History is Mystery. Dna is finding more uses. I always wondered If the Y dna is not passed by the female - how did it get into the baby male? Remember - there were many ships here ( before ) Columbus. How do we know, some of those did not add to the mix? Columbus claimed a mixed people he saw. Wearing turbans. The Vikings and Chinese were here hundreds of years before even Desoto. Europeans have been proved to be here 12,000 years before the first peoples. Then there is a research near the great lakes show tech 40,000 years ago of copper tools and arrow heads and then the center USA has other artifacts being studied. I have seen many races of people talked about being here, and I read what the archeologists find. So far, its getting to be a whole new system of a way of studies. Still with no conclusions. We wait. I think, the important thing to me now is, where did my DNA travel from to get here. I watched a video " Finding the Adam" a "Y" dna study to find out how far back they could get. Their conclusions were, Ethiopia, they lived on the coast, in those days the body needed sea food, dna mutated; some left the coast and went to other places, not needing sea food any more. This was said to be the reason people migrated - ?? - oh well, they said it not me ! I find lots of things interesting, but there are so many lies out there, it is easy for some one to make crazy claims. I think - there were more than one human like race here on our planet that never met each other, but the remains are still here. One tribe I did find interesting were the Chumash. I see all this, as an up in the air mystery. For now. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js9938@gmail.com> To: "CherokeeGene" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Basques > HI, Dan! > > I think we can all agree that some of the great mysteries will lead to > surprising results when we attempt to unravel them. I wonder though - > why did they only do mtDNA? Did they not have any male skeletons to > work with? In any given population it is far more likely the women > will be from outside groups. They were easy prey for marauders, far > more easily captured than warrior males and carried to far off places, > impregnated by consent or otherwise. The male population, on the > other hand was often far more stable, although often not so long lived > because they lived a very dangerous life. I'd like to know what the > other side of the DNA says. We only have one side of the story. > > There's no reason to believe Atlantis didn't exist. In every story > there is at least a grain of truth at the core. The Atlantis myth or > story, however you chose to label it, is no different. It just > depends on how large the grain of truth might be. Could there have > been an advanced population here long before modern man wants to > believe? One whose homeland was destroyed and the remnants of that > society fanned out across the globe, or at least the areas Cayce > named? Certainly! I think it is supreme arrogance to think we are > the only technologically advanced people that have ever been. > Archaeological evidence leads to a different conclusion. Are we the > only advanced people in the whole of creation? Again, I think likely > not. There is much out there of which we have no knowledge. But it's > also not right to present as fact what we cannot back up as fact and > for which we have only myth - in the historical sense, not myth as in > a false but widely believed story. We can neither prove nor disprove > any of it, so it remains a mystery to us. > > What I find very interesting is the presence of haplogroup X. The > article notes this type is found frequently in Iroquoian populations. > The Cherokee would belong to this group unless they simply adopted the > language and are not of the same genetic stock. It would be very > enlightening to do a comparison. I have long wondered if the Cherokee > came from the same stock as many of the other Native Americans. So > many of the Cherokee, even before admixture, did not resemble the > other nations and their culture and mythology is often quite different > as well. How I'd love to be able to travel back in time to know for > certain! > > Have a great evening, all! > Susan > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: >> Barb kept talking about things some people thought were off base. >> But to look into those things you might find they were not so far off. >> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_basques.htm#Additional_Information >> >> Dan >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and >> sort fact from (fiction). >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dan, Here's how the male baby gets its y chromosome. It takes 2 to tango. Women can only pass on x chromosomes but men can pass on x or y. If a child has 2 x chromosomes (1 from each parent) then it's a girl. If it's got 1 x and 1 y, then it's a boy; the y chromosome being contributed by the dad. I hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> To: cherokeegene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Basques I sure your comments. History is Mystery. Dna is finding more uses. I always wondered If the Y dna is not passed by the female - how did it get into the baby male? Remember - there were many ships here ( before ) Columbus. How do we know, some of those did not add to the mix? Columbus claimed a mixed people he saw. Wearing turbans. The Vikings and Chinese were here hundreds of years before even Desoto. Europeans have been proved to be here 12,000 years before the first peoples. Then there is a research near the great lakes show tech 40,000 years ago of copper tools and arrow heads and then the center USA has other artifacts being studied. I have seen many races of people talked about being here, and I read what the archeologists find. So far, its getting to be a whole new system of a way of studies. Still with no conclusions. We wait. I think, the important thing to me now is, where did my DNA travel from to get here. I watched a video " Finding the Adam" a "Y" dna study to find out how far back they could get. Their conclusions were, Ethiopia, they lived on the coast, in those days the body needed sea food, dna mutated; some left the coast and went to other places, not needing sea food any more. This was said to be the reason people migrated - ?? - oh well, they said it not me ! I find lots of things interesting, but there are so many lies out there, it is easy for some one to make crazy claims. I think - there were more than one human like race here on our planet that never met each other, but the remains are still here. One tribe I did find interesting were the Chumash. I see all this, as an up in the air mystery. For now. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js9938@gmail.com> To: "CherokeeGene" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Basques > HI, Dan! > > I think we can all agree that some of the great mysteries will lead to > surprising results when we attempt to unravel them. I wonder though - > why did they only do mtDNA? Did they not have any male skeletons to > work with? In any given population it is far more likely the women > will be from outside groups. They were easy prey for marauders, far > more easily captured than warrior males and carried to far off places, > impregnated by consent or otherwise. The male population, on the > other hand was often far more stable, although often not so long lived > because they lived a very dangerous life. I'd like to know what the > other side of the DNA says. We only have one side of the story. > > There's no reason to believe Atlantis didn't exist. In every story > there is at least a grain of truth at the core. The Atlantis myth or > story, however you chose to label it, is no different. It just > depends on how large the grain of truth might be. Could there have > been an advanced population here long before modern man wants to > believe? One whose homeland was destroyed and the remnants of that > society fanned out across the globe, or at least the areas Cayce > named? Certainly! I think it is supreme arrogance to think we are > the only technologically advanced people that have ever been. > Archaeological evidence leads to a different conclusion. Are we the > only advanced people in the whole of creation? Again, I think likely > not. There is much out there of which we have no knowledge. But it's > also not right to present as fact what we cannot back up as fact and > for which we have only myth - in the historical sense, not myth as in > a false but widely believed story. We can neither prove nor disprove > any of it, so it remains a mystery to us. > > What I find very interesting is the presence of haplogroup X. The > article notes this type is found frequently in Iroquoian populations. > The Cherokee would belong to this group unless they simply adopted the > language and are not of the same genetic stock. It would be very > enlightening to do a comparison. I have long wondered if the Cherokee > came from the same stock as many of the other Native Americans. So > many of the Cherokee, even before admixture, did not resemble the > other nations and their culture and mythology is often quite different > as well. How I'd love to be able to travel back in time to know for > certain! > > Have a great evening, all! > Susan > > On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: >> Barb kept talking about things some people thought were off base. >> But to look into those things you might find they were not so far off. >> http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_basques.htm#Additional_Information >> >> Dan >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and >> sort fact from (fiction). >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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So would I Susan so would i Even if it was just back far enough to find my 4th great grandparents :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene- How I'd love to be able to travel back in time to know for certain! Have a great evening, all! Susan

Susan I agree with you. What more, with the advancement of our technology, they are finding evidence to support their theories, such as the recent discoveries found beneath the Dead Seas plus other underseas discoveries of the bodies of an early woman and a child that they believe to have found it's way underground and to the seas that the Mexico government finally agreed to DNA and other testing of these skeltons. Anything is possible. It's not what race we are nor where we come from but what we do with our lives. In my gggrandfather's time when he came to Texas being a half breed was unexceptible, now, people are paying to prove they are Native Americans!!!! Adiene -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 4:51 PM To: CherokeeGene Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Basques HI, Dan! I think we can all agree that some of the great mysteries will lead to surprising results when we attempt to unravel them. I wonder though - why did they only do mtDNA? Did they not have any male skeletons to work with? In any given population it is far more likely the women will be from outside groups. They were easy prey for marauders, far more easily captured than warrior males and carried to far off places, impregnated by consent or otherwise. The male population, on the other hand was often far more stable, although often not so long lived because they lived a very dangerous life. I'd like to know what the other side of the DNA says. We only have one side of the story. There's no reason to believe Atlantis didn't exist. In every story there is at least a grain of truth at the core. The Atlantis myth or story, however you chose to label it, is no different. It just depends on how large the grain of truth might be. Could there have been an advanced population here long before modern man wants to believe? One whose homeland was destroyed and the remnants of that society fanned out across the globe, or at least the areas Cayce named? Certainly! I think it is supreme arrogance to think we are the only technologically advanced people that have ever been. Archaeological evidence leads to a different conclusion. Are we the only advanced people in the whole of creation? Again, I think likely not. There is much out there of which we have no knowledge. But it's also not right to present as fact what we cannot back up as fact and for which we have only myth - in the historical sense, not myth as in a false but widely believed story. We can neither prove nor disprove any of it, so it remains a mystery to us. What I find very interesting is the presence of haplogroup X. The article notes this type is found frequently in Iroquoian populations. The Cherokee would belong to this group unless they simply adopted the language and are not of the same genetic stock. It would be very enlightening to do a comparison. I have long wondered if the Cherokee came from the same stock as many of the other Native Americans. So many of the Cherokee, even before admixture, did not resemble the other nations and their culture and mythology is often quite different as well. How I'd love to be able to travel back in time to know for certain! Have a great evening, all! Susan On Sat, Jul 5, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: > Barb kept talking about things some people thought were off base. > But to look into those things you might find they were not so far off. > http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_basques.htm#Additional_Information > > Dan > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com