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    1. Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr
    2. Kathy Burns via
    3. I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The Cherokee people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the people who help you find your roots. Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be what you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee roots. Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. Her parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation East shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. James and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle is buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other third Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was white and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention this as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can give you a website on the Prather line. James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in 1893 so she was not on the Dawes Roll. I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I have been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday you will find the truth. donadagohvi, Kathleen Forshey-Burns On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:08 AM, Beth Golden via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Great idea, Dan! thanks! I'm Beth Golden, living in GA. My 2nd great grandmother, Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr wrote to my grandmother that she was 1/4 Cherokee and according to my aunt, the family was quite proud of this heritage, and visited their family on the Rez in OK. I've yet to find the documentation. Mary Ann's ancestry (partial) is below. I too welcome the discussion and hope to meet long lost cousins! Also, if you don't know, NARA website has been completely revamped for researching NA roots. I've not started exploring, but looking forward to it. http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/ all the best, Beth Here's Mary Ann's info: 1. Mary Ann BELL: born 9 Apr 1836 in Cherokee County, AL; died 2 Aug 1922 in McLennan County, TX. She married Alexander Franklin MOBLEY about 1857 probably in Cedartown, Polk, GA. AF died during the Civil War and Mary Ann remarried John ORR, a widower, in Cherokee County, GA. After one of her sons got in trouble with the law, they went to TX to escape prosecution. Her parents were: 2. John N BELL: born 17 Feb 1789 in Old Pendleton, Pickens, South Carolina, United States; died 24 Mar 1862 in Cedartown, Polk Co., GA. 3. Elizabeth ODELL: born Mar 1790 in Old Pendleton, Pickens, South Carolina, United States; died 25 May 1867 in Forney, Cherokee, AL. Her grandparents were: 4. John BEALL: born 23 Nov 1760 in Prince Georges, Maryland, USA; died 1804 in Wilkes County, Georgia, USA. 5. Mary: born abt 1710; died abt 1810. I believe that Mary will be the Cherokee connection, as from what I can gather so far, the others were not Native American. 6. John Prather ODELL: born 1755 in Frederick, Frederick, Maryland, USA; married 1782 in South Carolina, USA; died 1 Oct 1836 in Pickens, South Carolina, USA. 7. Mary BOURLAND: born 1755 in Pendleton, Anderson, South Carolina, USA. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    11/01/2014 10:26:37
    1. Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr
    2. Beth Golden via
    3. Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to your line! sgi, Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Kathy Burns <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The Cherokee > people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer > to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have > their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation > all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please > refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the > people who help you find your roots. > > Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes > what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be what > you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee roots. > Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will > come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. Her > parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation East > shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. James > and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle is > buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old > Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. > Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other third > Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. > She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was white > and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention this > as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The > Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can > give you a website on the Prather line. > > James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also > Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in 1893 > so she was not on the Dawes Roll. > > I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I have > been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to > documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the > Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - > Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the > Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. > > I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday > you will find the truth. > > donadagohvi, > Kathleen Forshey-Burns > >

    11/02/2014 03:47:35