Edith, thank you for your observations on the importance of historical context. I wholeheartedly agree! In fact, learning the historical aspects is one of my most favorite parts of doing genealogy. These are interesting articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation_(19th_century) and this one is awesome http://wsharing.com/WScherokeeTimeline.htm all the best, Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Edith Humble <eadiene7374@gmail.com> wrote: > Kathleen, why do you think some of those NA came West so early? They > didn't care to be recognixed Federally. In fact, they left because they > had been butally treated and cheated of their land and looked down on. No > one in those days would admit to their NA bloodlines usually because of > this attitude. Especially "half breeds". > > My family on both my father and mother's side were of of NA bloodlines, in > fact, I've seen the names of the people listed in some of these Federally > lists and my family names are there. My grandfather's mother was full > blooded but my grandfather would not tell me what nation. My mom's side > came from the Chitty, Chisum, Cook, Roberts, Thomas and yes there was a > Lightfoot Thomas but grandma would not talk of her line of Weeks and Harris > and Thompson nor my grandps talk of his. > > It has only been in recent times that it's 'fashionable" to be of NA > bloodlines. > > My dad's great grandma went to OK after her husband died "to be with her > people" was all my grandpa said, leaving two married daughter's behind > However, mom said she saw my great grandfather's photo in full native > dress, head gear and all. He died during the Civil War. > > My father's great grandparents came from TN just before the Trail of > Tears. Where he settle was granted to the Cherokee Chief by Houston when we > won the war and became the Republic of Mexico. > > OK was just one state of the three or four that we sold to the US so that > the Republic of Texas could have money to run our state. Later there was > more. At one time the Republic of Texas went almost all the way to > Canada. Don't believe me, look up the Republic of Texas and Mexico and see > the map of the territory our people fought and won, with the help of our > Cherokee brothers, the reason Sam Houston granted East Texas to that nation. > > You see, in Texas when I went to school it was required that students take > the History of Texas as well as the American History so we knew our > history. Some idiot has changed that but the men who died at the Alamo was > the strongest and bravest of men from not only TX but of TN, GA, MS, even > England. > > From corresponding with some of the Federally listed tribes, perhaps it > would be a good idea if you'll studied the history of your state and those > around you. I don't know why people feel so good about putting down people > and here I am doing the same. I am trully sorry about that but I still > think it something that you early researchers should think about. > > I wonder how many of our ancestors have been claimed by others who aren't > good researchers or would admit that they had no documentation to back up > their claim. I would bet you, it numbers in thousands. > Adiene > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Beth Golden via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > >> Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some >> in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! >> >> Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of >> the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family >> members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. >> >> How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm >> curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation >> on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is >> the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha >> Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > >> Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research >> has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to >> your line! >> >> sgi, >> Beth >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Kathy Burns <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The >> Cherokee >> > people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not >> refer >> > to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have >> > their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee >> Nation >> > all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please >> > refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the >> > people who help you find your roots. >> > >> > Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes >> > what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be >> what >> > you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee >> roots. >> > Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will >> > come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. >> Her >> > parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation >> East >> > shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. >> James >> > and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle >> is >> > buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old >> > Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. >> > Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other >> third >> > Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. >> > She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was >> white >> > and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention >> this >> > as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The >> > Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can >> > give you a website on the Prather line. >> > >> > James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also >> > Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in >> 1893 >> > so she was not on the Dawes Roll. >> > >> > I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I >> have >> > been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to >> > documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the >> > Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - >> > Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the >> > Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. >> > >> > I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday >> > you will find the truth. >> > >> > donadagohvi, >> > Kathleen Forshey-Burns >> > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and >> sort fact from (fiction). >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >