Susan, if I am off David Thompson's line it would have to be a 2nd wife or partner at the same time as Nancy (I believe).   A Leatherwood female is a possiblity or even Eliz. LONG THOMPSON b abt 1827 NC. Her children's names and births as follow: Lovada "Vada" Ann Thompson b  1845 GA   md. several times, supposedly (1) md 2 Jan 1866 Gilmer GA Joe Davis, who might be the same man who md. a LONG which totally confuses me)   (2) md 5 Nov 1871 Fannin Co. GA Wm. Columbus Fortner this one is proven (3) md. 1892 FLoyd GA Joseph R. MORGAN and just because of it's interesting name, one son named  Henry Winston Quilla Rose Davis "Wincie".  I mistook him for female for a long time!   James Manuel "Manny" Thompson b abt 1848 NC md. Lumpkin Co. GA  Sarah Matilda SHELTON  (this is my line) Caroline Lydia or Lydia Caroline Thompson b abt 1849 GA md. 20 Sept 1865 Fannin Co. GA Samuel Flemmons STANLEY  note: Stanley's sister also md. into the FORTNERs, a sister in law of her sister Lovada) Uly Arminda Thompson b abt 1860 md abt 1879 John M. PAYNE Now all these THOMPSONS came out to I.T. and Texas by abt 1886 or so.   Uly Arminda's husband changed his name.  The story told is that he was wanted for a crime, so the family took off and he then used MANSON as his surname.   I can give you more info on later descendants but the roadblock is here with Elizabeth THOMPSON.   Who was she? like I said my DNA matches James LONG and Uly CANSLER so I believe her living with them in 1850 is because she is their daughter.   Who was her THOMPSON mate?    He is NEVER on a census with her. I found her in 1850 Union Co. (With the LONGS), in 1860 I can not find her which might be a big deal if I could locate her and her children (which I have not had luck, and was hand scanning all counties in the tri state region at one time.   I found her in Fannin Co. 1870,  1880 she lives with her daughter Uly Arminda Payne in Fannin Co. GA.   I do not pick her up after that time period although I am missing her son James Manuel Thompson from the census and his son Hiram Virgil.  I know here his son Henry Miles Thompson is because he was an hired hand in his future wife's family, iie. MYERS who came from Rhea & Meigs Co. TN to I.T.  One of his sisters had married into this family already in Rhea Co. TN. I'll send this and see if you have anything to add.  Thanks for anything you might be able to provide. Debbie   On Monday, October 26, 2015 6:41 PM, wrote: Congrat’s Susan on being so close to your Masters……that’s cool. Now if I could only find someone that’s actually researching my line…..but it looks like Deb might get lucky though :o) From: Susan Reynolds [mailto:s3js9938@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:54 AM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; CherokeeGene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Hi, Alli & Debbie! Nancy Rider is RIDER, daughter of Austin Rider.  I can't recall his Cherokee wife's name at the moment  Debbie, I have all the Thompson and allied ECAs and Dawes applications on the David Thompson Cherokee lines.  He and Nancy emigrated to the IT as Old Settlers with their youngest children.  Following their deaths, David returned to GA and remarried - a white woman  -and had another family.  This is my cousin's son-in-law's line.  I have not yet pulled all the Rider ECAs and Dawes.  I am happy to share the many I already have. Nancy and David's son Caleb emigrated to the IT with the NC Cherokees in the 1870s or 1880s.  I can't remember the date off hand and I'm at work so I can't check.​  I think I have a copy of that roll, too.  He had a sister who remained in GA.  I'm wanting to say her name was Elizabeth.  If you have DNA connections with this line, it is a good possibility you are looking at David Thompson's second family.  There is some speculation he had other Cherokee children besides Caleb and his sister.  I'll have to look when I get home.  Don't be shy about reminding me.  I just have 4 classes to go on my masters after this term and sometimes my mind just goes AWOL. Have a wonderful day, all! Susan On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > wrote: I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder?  Some reason that name (nancy ryder) seems familiar to me. You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to drive a person batty LOL Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book later to post my stuff. I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that people put together. You’ll have a break through eventually :o) From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net <mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net> ] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com <mailto:iamcheroke@gmail.com> >; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.  Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.  I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.  To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.  I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.  Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS  did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.    Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886. I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps. For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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