Good to see people chatting . Nice to see some of you still online. Brick walls are hard sometimes. Going back in time is hard enough, but some times, even in real time, going back to real live relations can even prove hard to do. Doing any Indian lines is really hard since they were not recorded before the people from other lands came here with writing. DNA seems to be a blockbuster in these cases, how ever, if there is no DNA of those past, it becomes another brick wall. Some times a proven line with a DNA test helps those who are not proven find their way. Dan M -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Woolf via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:42 PM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.   Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.   I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.   To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.   I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.   Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS   did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.     Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886.    I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps.    For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie On Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM, wrote: I'm not related (that I know of) so I haven't looked into it Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:52 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government So, every one fall asleep since this post? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene]Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Thanks. Is there any one on this list related to this tribe? Dan M a Sizemore relation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "CherokeeGene" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com>; "Sizemore" <sizemore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-renowned-virginia-indian-tribe-finally -wins-federal-recognition/2015/07/02/40cc0dd4-200a-11e5-aeb9-a411a84c9d55_st ory.html  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Dan, I have a question. As many researchers state “my family told me there were NA in our family”. However, since my family was in Texas in the early 1830’s and in the Nacogdoches territory (my city is actually across from the Nacogdoches City river in between I believe my grandfather. However, my grandparents would not talk about that, on either side. So where do we look to see if our families are in fact Native American? The Cherokee were given this area by General and later Governor Houston in a treaty. The next Govener bundled them up and sent them to OK where many of my grandfather’s (faternal) family moved to. Rusk, TX had a cemetary that Cherokee were buried and in fact, is a local visitors site but the Cherokee tribe denied the people there as NA. Livingston is only a few miles from here and a reservation for Cherokee and I believe even Caddo. The Caddo tribe were said to have lived here in this area before the treaty. I am researching family, not looking for those “financial” links so many mention. I frankly don’t care about that. I have two sets of grandparents whose ancestors were out West early, much earlier than most and many NA broke away to avoid being labeled “Indian” back then. So is there somewhere there is birthdates of family members of the NA tribes as I have documented proof of my lines? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dan M via Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:19 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Good to see people chatting . Nice to see some of you still online. Brick walls are hard sometimes. Going back in time is hard enough, but some times, even in real time, going back to real live relations can even prove hard to do. Doing any Indian lines is really hard since they were not recorded before the people from other lands came here with writing. DNA seems to be a blockbuster in these cases, how ever, if there is no DNA of those past, it becomes another brick wall. Some times a proven line with a DNA test helps those who are not proven find their way. Dan M -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Woolf via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:42 PM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.   Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.   I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.   To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.   I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.   Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS   did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.     Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886.    I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps.    For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie On Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM, wrote: I'm not related (that I know of) so I haven't looked into it Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:52 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government So, every one fall asleep since this post? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene]Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Thanks. Is there any one on this list related to this tribe? Dan M a Sizemore relation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "CherokeeGene" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com>; "Sizemore" <sizemore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-renowned-virginia-indian-tribe-finally -wins-federal-recognition/2015/07/02/40cc0dd4-200a-11e5-aeb9-a411a84c9d55_st ory.html  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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