Dan, my aunt married a Lovelady. and my Weeks married into the Coopers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj M" <wb2008dj@gmail.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA/Sizemore > Understood about the no na in the male line. > It was said might be Martha Lovelady and maybe Julia Cooper. > Martha was a marriage before Julia so not my line. > How ever family tales tell of Jefferson Davis Matney who married Alma a > Brit as having been heckled for marrying that Indian. > Jefferson is of my line. If there was NA and not of Matney and not of > Cooper. Then I was suspecting it of Marthas two siblings raised By Julia > made people think it was Julia as the NA. How ever there are many stories > of Cherokee among Matney men. I have not seen proof. > Also. Since populations came from Europe. How is it a proven factor just > what dna is of NA? > So many migrations over time no one really has it down pat yet . > So I noticed in documetaries. Oh. I am the admin for the Sizemore rootsweb > list. > Dan > On Mar 13, 2014 9:17 AM, "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > >> I’m the admin for the FTDNA Sizemore surname project. >> >> For some of the earliest research see my article: >> http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html >> >> Also my posting to the Sizemore message board: >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sizemore/2726/mb.ashx >> >> You can see the up to date DNA results here: >> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA >> >> I’ll be happy to answer any questions concerning the Sizemore families. >> However, the male line was *not* Cherokee and nothing has been found, to >> date, that indicates any additional genealogical or genetic Cherokee >> connection, so please contact me at joyk@sc.rr.com >> >> Joy >> >> From: Dan M >> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:24 AM >> To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA/Susan >> >> my Great grandfather fell into the Sizemore case and was not approved, >> altho >> there was NA in the family, the links were lost so no one knows the >> connections I guess. >> It can be a challenge to make those family ties this far into the >> future. >> Not many records out there, for those early years. >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and >> sort fact from (fiction). >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

thank you so much Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Owesley Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 6:04 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books Still I enjoy your emails with the insights of my Mother's people Thank you Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:23 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books I am sorry. They are already sold. Thanks for your interest. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Owesley Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:42 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books Joyce We have an interest in purchasing the two sets of books on the Cherokee Nations Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:30 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com; na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Books I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Still I enjoy your emails with the insights of my Mother's people Thank you Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 3:23 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books I am sorry. They are already sold. Thanks for your interest. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Owesley Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:42 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books Joyce We have an interest in purchasing the two sets of books on the Cherokee Nations Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:30 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com; na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Books I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sorry. They are already sold. Thanks for your interest. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Owesley Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 2:42 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Books Joyce We have an interest in purchasing the two sets of books on the Cherokee Nations Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:30 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com; na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Books I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joyce We have an interest in purchasing the two sets of books on the Cherokee Nations Oliver -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 6:30 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com; na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Books I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Joyce, I would be interested and thrilled in either or both of these books*Cherokee By Blood* and*Cherokee Roots*. What are you asking for them? Molly Beck Ellison PS I have been following the discussions and new information on rootsweb and CHerokeegene. I am Cherokee by blood but so far I have not found my family on any of the Rolls. I don't think they enrolled. We are from Plumersville, Arkansas, Ozark, Arkansas, (Great Grandmother, Mary Melvina Taylor, father William J Taylor. Mary Melvina Taylor. My grandmother Cumi Molly Blaylock (Blalock-Weems Littlejohn. Her family moved to Sequoyah, Roland Oklahoma. Recently I was told that my grandmother was 1/2 Native American. I lived with my grandmother for the first 5 years of my life. This Was Seattle. I am sorry this is not the place for all this. Yes I am interested very much in the books. On 5/7/2014 12:00 AM, cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Books (Joyce Gaston Reece) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 07:30:20 -0400 > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Books > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com>, <na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <58F3AB830761412595E91EF0BB202FC7@JoycePC> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 77 > ******************************************* >

I have extra copies of all 9 vol of Cherokee By Blood and both vol of Cherokee Roots if anyone is interested please contact me off list at bjreece@bellsouth.net Joyce Gaston Reece

Understood about the no na in the male line. It was said might be Martha Lovelady and maybe Julia Cooper. Martha was a marriage before Julia so not my line. How ever family tales tell of Jefferson Davis Matney who married Alma a Brit as having been heckled for marrying that Indian. Jefferson is of my line. If there was NA and not of Matney and not of Cooper. Then I was suspecting it of Marthas two siblings raised By Julia made people think it was Julia as the NA. How ever there are many stories of Cherokee among Matney men. I have not seen proof. Also. Since populations came from Europe. How is it a proven factor just what dna is of NA? So many migrations over time no one really has it down pat yet . So I noticed in documetaries. Oh. I am the admin for the Sizemore rootsweb list. Dan On Mar 13, 2014 9:17 AM, "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> wrote: > I’m the admin for the FTDNA Sizemore surname project. > > For some of the earliest research see my article: > http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html > > Also my posting to the Sizemore message board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.sizemore/2726/mb.ashx > > You can see the up to date DNA results here: > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA > > I’ll be happy to answer any questions concerning the Sizemore families. > However, the male line was *not* Cherokee and nothing has been found, to > date, that indicates any additional genealogical or genetic Cherokee > connection, so please contact me at joyk@sc.rr.com > > Joy > > From: Dan M > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 11:24 AM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA/Susan > > my Great grandfather fell into the Sizemore case and was not approved, > altho > there was NA in the family, the links were lost so no one knows the > connections I guess. > It can be a challenge to make those family ties this far into the > future. > Not many records out there, for those early years. > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The video you mention sounds interesting. As does learning how came first......chicken or the egg........but with humans of which race... I've read about the Chumash Indians. That was quite interesting. To see that they knew/believed that they not only came from land, but also from the ocean. To know such history as fact for them. Very interesting The more science evolves, the more we learn & the more things change ;) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 8:50 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] About who was here first? ( no one really knows) Looks like no one is here any more lol People been sleeping for awhile. Its just a thought about who was or not. Seems science keeps changing the facts. That was the purpose for my topics over the years was to get people to debate it. If you look up the Chumash Indians, they claim * they* were first people. They also seem to now where their people came from. Also, maybe the blacks were here before any one? Or the Euro? Has any one wondered why they have so many values in the DNA they have got back? Must be because people came from many places. Anyone want to touch that? As for those here that decend from people already here, has any one traced those back? I was watching a video - finding Adam - this was not the Adam like with Eve, this was the Adam who moved from their orignal area to populate the worls, science said he was black, and was the father of all of us. FOllowing the "Y" dna. This is on the net, not my words, I am just stating what science says. Dan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looks like no one is here any more lol People been sleeping for awhile. Its just a thought about who was or not. Seems science keeps changing the facts. That was the purpose for my topics over the years was to get people to debate it. If you look up the Chumash Indians, they claim * they* were first people. They also seem to now where their people came from. Also, maybe the blacks were here before any one? Or the Euro? Has any one wondered why they have so many values in the DNA they have got back? Must be because people came from many places. Anyone want to touch that? As for those here that decend from people already here, has any one traced those back? I was watching a video - finding Adam - this was not the Adam like with Eve, this was the Adam who moved from their orignal area to populate the worls, science said he was black, and was the father of all of us. FOllowing the "Y" dna. This is on the net, not my words, I am just stating what science says. Dan

>From what I've been reading, it has been interesting. I have a distant cousin that connects through 2 women but the 3rd connection comes through a male....I'm not sure if that affected her results, but it was interesting results. I'd like to take the DNA test as well, but unfortunately it would just go off my mom's line LOL so it wouldn't help me in researching my dad's line. But to learn that there were more than just the Homo Sapien & the Neanderthal's, is interesting. I have more to read on it all....hopefully I can work on reading it tomorrow (no bottle feeding baby piglets tonight (hopefully) so I can get a good nights sleep tonight) :) I'm not a "techy" person, but I find DNA & genetic's interesting, even though sometimes it can get a bit too technical for me. I'm going to hopefully start on the timeline thing tomorrow, use the kids to show what happened the day/year they were born & take it all the way back to the farthest Ancestor that I have, so we can see who was born & what major event happened, diseases, etc. & would really like some old maps of the states that my relatives were living & trace they're migration to the Mid-west as well (some went to Calif) & what was happening then too. Boy, if teachers taught History a bit more like we research genealogy, I might have been a history major or went into genetics LOL Who....was first in which area of the world :) Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:57 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] About who was here first? ( no one really knows) I think the Cherokee inclusions are more vast than many know. The reason I wrote it the way I did was to make it understood, we don't ( for sure ) know all the original peoples that made up this set of peoples on the continent. DNA is good if there is some thing to compare it to. If Columbus said in his logs, he saw blacks here with those other people, its not a surprise to find AF in your DNA, same as any other. As the peopling gets sorted out, I think, in time, we will find many races in the Cherokee. I think its exciting to find out new data does exist. But if your DNA comes back in disregard to NA, those people ( who were thought to be ) NA in those days might have been with them but of different ancestry. These things I write, are not facts but things I have studied from many places of science and other places who are still out to lunch on the decision ( just what races) are included in this research. I don't make facts, I just write what I read about. Just like everyone else reads, try it, enter Cherokee time line in Google. Dan

I think the Cherokee inclusions are more vast than many know. The reason I wrote it the way I did was to make it understood, we don't ( for sure ) know all the original peoples that made up this set of peoples on the continent. DNA is good if there is some thing to compare it to. If Columbus said in his logs, he saw blacks here with those other people, its not a surprise to find AF in your DNA, same as any other. As the peopling gets sorted out, I think, in time, we will find many races in the Cherokee. I think its exciting to find out new data does exist. But if your DNA comes back in disregard to NA, those people ( who were thought to be ) NA in those days might have been with them but of different ancestry. These things I write, are not facts but things I have studied from many places of science and other places who are still out to lunch on the decision ( just what races) are included in this research. I don't make facts, I just write what I read about. Just like everyone else reads, try it, enter Cherokee time line in Google. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] About who was here first? ( no one really knows) > It looks like an interesting PDF to read. > > Everyone wants their own list to do things their own way w/o having to > answer to anyone (or so they think) LOL > It seems to be a human flaw that we can't seem to work together even in > such > things like this.......people are weird. > > The Chumash I found to be interesting, at least the one thing I read, it > seemed like they knew that they came from across the sea, as well as from > the land. > > I'm still clueless about the Cherokee People, but with them speaking > Iroquois(sp), which means they'd have to have come from the Northern part > of > the Country or they were already in the south & the rest moved north :) > > I have a lot to study on & read so I'm ignoring the rest of this LOL :) > > Oh the chicken might have been first :) > Alli :) []

It looks like an interesting PDF to read. Everyone wants their own list to do things their own way w/o having to answer to anyone (or so they think) LOL It seems to be a human flaw that we can't seem to work together even in such things like this.......people are weird. The Chumash I found to be interesting, at least the one thing I read, it seemed like they knew that they came from across the sea, as well as from the land. I'm still clueless about the Cherokee People, but with them speaking Iroquois(sp), which means they'd have to have come from the Northern part of the Country or they were already in the south & the rest moved north :) I have a lot to study on & read so I'm ignoring the rest of this LOL :) Oh the chicken might have been first :) Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:01 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] About who was here first? ( no one really knows) Ok, so its late history, after the fact. Just to make it known again - * there were NO one called Cherokee BEFORE Columbus) So, to set things to the real people, who were they before that? Your lumping people into Cherokee that were ( many ) races * proven facts* even Columbus and even DeSoto, made that clear. Also - the is NO **R** in the Cherokee language, its a term gave by Columbus ***** BECAUSE***** ( Columbus) WAS LOST _ he DID not know where he was and HE coined the term ( Cherokee ) because he thought he was in INDIA. Kinda changed past and future right there I say. SO, its like Coopers - and Smith's, occupational names, people not related. Here we have a populate of people all called one thing, even those blacks they were most likely there first says history folks, what about the Chumash, they also advertise being the first people. Maybe some more research folks are going to find out why their DNA does NOT show NA when they were called by Indian tribes like Cherokee - they are many races that over time came together. People might start doing some world wide peopling research. Read those 3 links I sent. Read about people in the Cherokee, Ross - Smith and others. Then read about how and what coast did they come from, do some real research, find out ( where they came from and when and how) this is a topic researchers are using to follow people migrations. Maybe when your DNA results come back - then you will know why there is NO NA in there. Like I posted before ( EVERYONE) Is a Native of some place else, before they showed up here. For what? 14,000 years ( that's a lot of years we cant trace ) people been migrating. I say IF they could make megalithic stone structures, they wont have much trouble making a boat and like the Persians and others, gone on the sea. If you know more about the ice ages like I do, you will know, that there were more than one, there were 4, and the time lines don't really match the timelines of the peopling found here. Some ones study put the Euro here 12,000 before the supposed first peoples, other races here lived and died out before the called first peoples. The ones that survived to now, could not have been here first. Its a matter of science and archeology. Facts are all over the internet. Your DNA is going to prove it. Just as one I was just told about. Maybe it don't show NA at all - but that does not mean those ancestors were not here as early populations. Any one can argue this, but let the facts prove them selves . Do you home work and see. Cherokee- Columbus made an error. HE was lost, big deal tho - HE gets a credit for being lost. He found some place that was not lost, names a people who were already named and caused illness among other things took some of the people back with him, that had more problems. Its all history, after 1492, all things changed. Made it incorrect. Personally also - I really see no need for multiple Cherokee lists on rootsweb. I have the first one, I don't see why people have to keep making lists just because they want to run one. Why not stop confusing the people and use one group for it, we have a general list, a DNA list and a Genealogy list, witch I had to have a long chat with rw to get it, now people just make lists for every thing and not all people are on all those lists. I don't really see a need for all of them. Dan M

http://www.palgrave.com/pdfs/0333778391.pdf A pdf file and a MUST READ for Cherokee history Joyce Gaston Reece

Ok, so its late history, after the fact. Just to make it known again - * there were NO one called Cherokee BEFORE Columbus) So, to set things to the real people, who were they before that? Your lumping people into Cherokee that were ( many ) races * proven facts* even Columbus and even DeSoto, made that clear. Also - the is NO **R** in the Cherokee language, its a term gave by Columbus ***** BECAUSE***** ( Columbus) WAS LOST _ he DID not know where he was and HE coined the term ( Cherokee ) because he thought he was in INDIA. Kinda changed past and future right there I say. SO, its like Coopers - and Smith's, occupational names, people not related. Here we have a populate of people all called one thing, even those blacks they were most likely there first says history folks, what about the Chumash, they also advertise being the first people. Maybe some more research folks are going to find out why their DNA does NOT show NA when they were called by Indian tribes like Cherokee - they are many races that over time came together. People might start doing some world wide peopling research. Read those 3 links I sent. Read about people in the Cherokee, Ross - Smith and others. Then read about how and what coast did they come from, do some real research, find out ( where they came from and when and how) this is a topic researchers are using to follow people migrations. Maybe when your DNA results come back - then you will know why there is NO NA in there. Like I posted before ( EVERYONE) Is a Native of some place else, before they showed up here. For what? 14,000 years ( that's a lot of years we cant trace ) people been migrating. I say IF they could make megalithic stone structures, they wont have much trouble making a boat and like the Persians and others, gone on the sea. If you know more about the ice ages like I do, you will know, that there were more than one, there were 4, and the time lines don't really match the timelines of the peopling found here. Some ones study put the Euro here 12,000 before the supposed first peoples, other races here lived and died out before the called first peoples. The ones that survived to now, could not have been here first. Its a matter of science and archeology. Facts are all over the internet. Your DNA is going to prove it. Just as one I was just told about. Maybe it don't show NA at all - but that does not mean those ancestors were not here as early populations. Any one can argue this, but let the facts prove them selves . Do you home work and see. Cherokee- Columbus made an error. HE was lost, big deal tho - HE gets a credit for being lost. He found some place that was not lost, names a people who were already named and caused illness among other things took some of the people back with him, that had more problems. Its all history, after 1492, all things changed. Made it incorrect. Personally also - I really see no need for multiple Cherokee lists on rootsweb. I have the first one, I don't see why people have to keep making lists just because they want to run one. Why not stop confusing the people and use one group for it, we have a general list, a DNA list and a Genealogy list, witch I had to have a long chat with rw to get it, now people just make lists for every thing and not all people are on all those lists. I don't really see a need for all of them. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <na-cherokee-nc@rootsweb.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 8:10 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] (no subject) > http://www.palgrave.com/pdfs/0333778391.pdf > > A pdf file and a MUST READ for Cherokee history > > Joyce Gaston Reece > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There'll be a trail somewhere for her....just won't be easy -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adiene Humble Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:13 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA Alii wouldn't help much. my grandpa's grandparents were both NA on his mother's side and other than find the children and where Joseph died, no idea of where Mary went. Adiene =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alii wouldn't help much. my grandpa's grandparents were both NA on his mother's side and other than find the children and where Joseph died, no idea of where Mary went. Adiene

No, not quite. In the female line it will track back almost unaltered daughter to mother to grandmother ad infinitum. Since women's surnames change in some societies, it's harder to trace back by name, easier by mtDNA In the male line, it is only good for that one generation. A male child gets a YDNA strand from his father and an mtDNA strand from his mother. He will pass down his YDNA to his sons almost unchanged and that's what tracks through the direct male surname. He will not pass down his mtDNA strand to his sons. They will get that from their mother. A man can track his female line back with that mtDNA just like the women can, but no one will be able to track the father's female line through the son's DNA, and the mtDNA changes every generation in the male line, unless, of course, he marries women in his direct female line, but that's really way to close for comfort and legality. I worded that badly I think. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > So the mtDNA goes back only 1 generation? > So it'd only go back to say my grandma? >

I remember seeing that message before, but don't think I was on the DNA group back then. Things are definitely changing.....I watched a program about Dinosaurs the other the day & how much that has changed as well. So I can only imagine how much human DNA testing has changed -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 10:35 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA There are so many things changing. People work on change every day and find more things that work to back track. Peopling is being studied by so many people now that once these changes get to everyone, then we will have more to learn from. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] DNA >I think the one you’re talking about was discussed on the cherokeeDNA >mailing list back in 2009.

Dan, when my grandma Harris told me the were the bad kind, I thought of the Sioux, keep in mind I'm not putting down the NA when I say that. That's just what my grandma said. Her mother was a Weeks and her grandmother Thompson and ggrandmother was a Kendall (NC). I've heard the Nations, Cherokee, Choctaw, and even Comanche. I just wish grandma would have told me more on her family. I have seen a picture of Nancy Ellen Thompson and if she was NA she was tall, mom said and I think she had blue eyes but I don't know anything about her parents. Had mom not said something regarding "Indians" when I was young I would not have even given this a thought. The strange thing I find is the names I've seen on the rolls are people who settled in this area. I even saw a Stephens listed as NA and my gggrandfather I know nothing about and there's no listing and sometimes you get born in US US so..... Does matter if there's NA, I am just looking for the lines. Now I've caught up with emails I can research. Adiene