Alli, I think you're referring to the Henderson Roll - it's organized by state, was a census of the Cherokee East of the Mississippi done in 1835. There are indexes to the roll on line, not sure if it's possible to find the details on line. Kathie ________________________________________

Nope, not me :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <Kathie.Forbes@unh.edu> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:06 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Pre-removal roll > Alli, I think you're referring to the Henderson Roll - it's organized by > state, was a census of the Cherokee East of the Mississippi done in 1835. > There are indexes to the roll on line, not sure if it's possible to find > the details on line. > > Kathie

I'll be the first one to agree with you on that one, Alli. As a matter of fact, the family does have dna that tells they do but that is nowhere near my area of expertise...if I have any. Joy is the one to speak on that subject. I have found that the majority of people who have applied do have some indian heritage...it just so happened that their branch didn't live on Indian land for many years and weren't re-accepted via the citizenship applications in the 1880's and 90's Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:38 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land Just because they were rejected, doesn't automatically mean they're not Indian. -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:25 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Dan The Sizemore, all 5000+, were all bundled into one case. The desc of the Sizemores had advertised, to some effect, in the newspapers so people from all over the country applied and all telling the same basic story. All these applications were rejected. It is abstracted in the Cherokee by Blood series of books. I'm pretty sure it's online in several places and within a lot of trees about the family. Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possibly I have it digitized. I have the Dawes available. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forbes, Kathie" <Kathie.Forbes@unh.edu> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:06 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Pre-removal roll > Alli, I think you're referring to the Henderson Roll - it's organized by > state, was a census of the Cherokee East of the Mississippi done in 1835. > There are indexes to the roll on line, not sure if it's possible to find > the details on line. > > Kathie > ________________________________________ > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, that's the thing though......many who were rejected by the Dawes Commission for the Dawes or Guion Miller Rolls were not necessarily rejected because they weren't Indians, there were that were rejected (as you said) not living in the Governments designated area's to be considered a "citizen" of that tribe. But in reality, they could very well could be. For me personally......its still a 50/50 thing. There's a lot of documents that are pointing to the fact that we are, but there's still a lot of questionable areas that make one wonder. LOL DNA is definitely a helpful tool. Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:08 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land I'll be the first one to agree with you on that one, Alli. As a matter of fact, the family does have dna that tells they do but that is nowhere near my area of expertise...if I have any. Joy is the one to speak on that subject. I have found that the majority of people who have applied do have some indian heritage...it just so happened that their branch didn't live on Indian land for many years and weren't re-accepted via the citizenship applications in the 1880's and 90's Joyce Gaston Reece

http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.com/ECAS/Miller_Report.php ALL of the original applications can be viewed, printed, or downloaded at Fold3! http://www.fold3.com/ Joy From: Dan M Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:01 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Now if she would answer my direct question on the DNA list. Since I have people in the Sizemore case and she is the admin, I would like all the documents on the people and why they were accepted or refused. Where is the link and data for this case? I want all the info. Dan M

And then you have some others on that Real Cherokee Facebook page that say if you are not on the Dawes Rolls then you cannot be Cherokee. A little bias I think.....But you can prove a point to them and one of them works for the Cherokee Nation... Oh well .....I believe it is more import to find your family and know your heritage than to have a little blue card to tote around....I am fortunate that I can prove my heritage but there are some whose family didn't live in the (like you said) designated areas that the government wanted you to in order to be listed on the rolls. My Rogers line has some of that in it. My great great grandmother lived for a while in Texas and then moved back to the Cherokee Nation at some point. It took almost an act of congress to prove they were whom they were. Both had died before they were granted citizenship. Their offsprings were admitted though... Happy hunting donadagohvi Kathleen P.S. I am still here just have tons of things going on in my life..Plus I am still taking Cherokee Language Courses with the Cherokee Nation....I totally enjoy them. On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 12:10 PM, Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: Well, that's the thing though......many who were rejected by the Dawes Commission for the Dawes or Guion Miller  Rolls were not necessarily rejected because they weren't Indians, there were that were rejected (as you said) not living in the Governments designated area's to be considered a "citizen" of that tribe. But in reality, they could very well could be.  For me personally......its still a 50/50 thing. There's a lot of documents that are pointing to the fact that we are, but there's still a lot of questionable areas that make one wonder. LOL DNA is definitely a helpful tool. Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:08 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land I'll be the first one to agree with you on that one, Alli.  As a matter of fact, the family does have dna that tells they do but that is nowhere near my area of expertise...if I have any.  Joy is the one to speak on that subject.  I have found that the majority of people who have applied do have some indian heritage...it just so happened that their branch didn't live on Indian land for many years and weren't re-accepted via the citizenship applications in the 1880's and 90's Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dan The Sizemore, all 5000+, were all bundled into one case. The desc of the Sizemores had advertised, to some effect, in the newspapers so people from all over the country applied and all telling the same basic story. All these applications were rejected. It is abstracted in the Cherokee by Blood series of books. I'm pretty sure it's online in several places and within a lot of trees about the family. Joyce Gaston Reece

Thank you for this wonderful info, Joy. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Joy King Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:11 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Additional info: http://www.okgenweb.org/~okmayes/history.htm The area that became Mayes County is rich in history, containing the location of the first white settlement in what is now called Oklahoma. In 1796, Major Jean Pierre Chouteau, an Osage Indian trader and agent, established a trading post at the junction of the Grand/Neosho River and Saline Creek, at what is today called Salina. Flat boats plied their trade along the river and as early as 1817 keel boats from Ft. Smith (Arkansas) were known to travel up the river to the Chouteau Trading Post. The trading post flourished through the Osage occupation of the area, which ended with the formation of Indian Territory and this area was assigned to the Cherokee Nation. Christian missions were established here as early as 1820/1823. But even before 1890 the non­Indian population, both legal and illegal, had grown to over 70 percent of the total population of Indian Territory. The first U.S. census of Indian Territory in 1900 shows a further influx of non­Indians had occurred between 1890 and 1900; most of the non­Indians being former residents of the adjacent states of Arkansas, Missouri, Texas and Kansas. Prior to the land allotment, the lands of the Five Civilized Tribes had been held in tribal ownership. No individual Indian owned any land, but were free to use as much as they needed if it did not infringe upon their neighbor's needs. However, they did own their improvements; the home, barn, the planted crops, cleared fields and such. While these improvements could be traded or sold, tribal law restricted the transaction to another citizen of the same tribe. The land was distributed by allotment to citizens of these Nations on the basis of their enrollment on the 1902/1906 Dawes Roll. The average land allotment to each Cherokee "citizen by blood" was 110 acres of average grade land. Freedman (the former slaves of the Cherokees) were allotted 40 acres each of the Nation's land. But since the Indians had no concept of land ownership, in just a few short years most of the land was in the hands of non-Indians. Mayes County was formed at statehood (1907) from parts of the Cherokee Nation, plus a small area of the Creek Nation of Indian Territory and was named in honor of Samuel Houston Mayes, who served his people and the Cherokee Nation as Principal Chief from 1895 to 1899. Joy From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:58 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce These appear to be two separate land allotments. One for a township of Pryor Creek and one to your grandmother. I don't know anything about your lineage but it certainly appears that she is receiving the land because of some relationship to the Cherokee. Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Additional info: http://www.okgenweb.org/~okmayes/history.htm The area that became Mayes County is rich in history, containing the location of the first white settlement in what is now called Oklahoma. In 1796, Major Jean Pierre Chouteau, an Osage Indian trader and agent, established a trading post at the junction of the Grand/Neosho River and Saline Creek, at what is today called Salina. Flat boats plied their trade along the river and as early as 1817 keel boats from Ft. Smith (Arkansas) were known to travel up the river to the Chouteau Trading Post. The trading post flourished through the Osage occupation of the area, which ended with the formation of Indian Territory and this area was assigned to the Cherokee Nation. Christian missions were established here as early as 1820/1823. But even before 1890 the non­Indian population, both legal and illegal, had grown to over 70 percent of the total population of Indian Territory. The first U.S. census of Indian Territory in 1900 shows a further influx of non­Indians had occurred between 1890 and 1900; most of the non­Indians being former residents of the adjacent states of Arkansas, Missouri, Texas and Kansas. Prior to the land allotment, the lands of the Five Civilized Tribes had been held in tribal ownership. No individual Indian owned any land, but were free to use as much as they needed if it did not infringe upon their neighbor's needs. However, they did own their improvements; the home, barn, the planted crops, cleared fields and such. While these improvements could be traded or sold, tribal law restricted the transaction to another citizen of the same tribe. The land was distributed by allotment to citizens of these Nations on the basis of their enrollment on the 1902/1906 Dawes Roll. The average land allotment to each Cherokee "citizen by blood" was 110 acres of average grade land. Freedman (the former slaves of the Cherokees) were allotted 40 acres each of the Nation's land. But since the Indians had no concept of land ownership, in just a few short years most of the land was in the hands of non-Indians. Mayes County was formed at statehood (1907) from parts of the Cherokee Nation, plus a small area of the Creek Nation of Indian Territory and was named in honor of Samuel Houston Mayes, who served his people and the Cherokee Nation as Principal Chief from 1895 to 1899. Joy From: Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:58 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce These appear to be two separate land allotments. One for a township of Pryor Creek and one to your grandmother. I don't know anything about your lineage but it certainly appears that she is receiving the land because of some relationship to the Cherokee. Joyce Gaston Reece

Just because they were rejected, doesn't automatically mean they're not Indian. -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:25 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Dan The Sizemore, all 5000+, were all bundled into one case. The desc of the Sizemores had advertised, to some effect, in the newspapers so people from all over the country applied and all telling the same basic story. All these applications were rejected. It is abstracted in the Cherokee by Blood series of books. I'm pretty sure it's online in several places and within a lot of trees about the family. Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

These appear to be two separate land allotments. One for a township of Pryor Creek and one to your grandmother. I don't know anything about your lineage but it certainly appears that she is receiving the land because of some relationship to the Cherokee. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:44 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Joyce... The other day when I mentioned I was trying to find info on Cherokee land records & you said to send you a copy of the document so you can look at it & see if you can help. Well, I haven't had a chance to dig out the paper. But I did finally find it in the archives of this group. So I'm reposting what I had already posted in hopes that you know what it means like you said you might or that someone else who reads it can pop out of the wood work to give me some ideas. I've contacted the Cherokee Realty & the CNO (by email) about this & a company that dealt with deeds (I forget what it is, but I believe it was the Cherokee Realty too or something connected to them) So........what's the possibility's? Alli :) Ok.....this is going to be a little long in reading, but I need some help. Here goes Cherokee Nation to Cherokee Realty & Investment CO. (Inc.) Town of Pryor Creek, Indian Terr., Cherokee Nation Commission to the five Civilized Tribes By: Wm. A/H. Martin...Clerk C.B. Markham....Register of Deeds. The Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory To All to Whom these Presents shall Come--(not misspelled)Creeting: Whereas, A Townsite Commission, heretofore appointed under the Act of Congress approved May 31, 1900 (31 Stats. 221), and acting under authority of the Act of Congress, approved July 1, 1902 (32 Stats. 716), ratified by the Cherokee Nation, August 7th, 1902, has appraised the lots in the town of Pryor Creek Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory; and Whereas, The plot of said town was approved by the Secretary of the Interior on the 17th day of September 1902 and was duly placed of file; and Whereas, Said Commission has appraised all of the town lots included in said plat at their true value, excluding improvements, which appraisal has been approved by the Secretary of the Interior; and Whereas, The said Commission has awarded the real estate described hereinbelow to Cherokee Realty & Investments CO. (Incorporated) who which paid Four Hundred and fifteen and 25/100 ($415.25) dollars, the full amount of the purchase price, into the treasury of the United States, to the credit of! the Cherokee Nation of Indians, with the United States Indian Agent, at Muskogee, Indian Territory, and is therefore entitled to a patent. Now, Therefore, I, the undersigned, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, do, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the aforesaid Act of Congress of the United States, hereby grant, sell, and convey unto the said..Cherokee Realty & Investment CO. (Incorporated) its successions and assigns forever all the right, title and interest of the Cherokee Nation, a foresaid in and to Lot 2 numbered South 9 and South 38 feet of 11 in Block....numbered 23, lot 2, block 23, south 71 feet of lot 15, North ???(can't read the handwritten #) in the town of Pryor Creek Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, and according to the plat thereof on file as aforesaid. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, have herunto set my hand and caused the Great seal of said Nation to be affixed, at the date hereinafter shown. Oct. 15, 1907 W.C. Rogers Principal Chief of the C.N. Dept. of the Interior Approved : Mar. 24, 1908 James Rudolph Garfield/Garfield Secretary By Olives? A. Phillips Clerk Repeat the above again but where it says "Whereas, The said, Commission has awarded the Real estate described hereinbelow to.......(below section) is my great grandma's name.....who paid....$20 the full amt. of the purchase price......(etc)....... NOW, THEREFORE, I, the undersigned, the Principal Chief.....grant, sell and convey unto the said........my grandma's name...her heirs & assigns forever, all the right.....(etc)..... James Rudolph Garfield...secretary by Olives A. Philps..clerk *********************** My aunt seems to think this is the land allotment received if you've been approved on a roll. She also said that one of the ancestor's were on some roll before the Trail of Tears the "Original Rolls from Georgia" Is there such a thing? I'm trying to get her to get more specific, we'll see. But if ya can help make sense of this land record, I'd appreciate it. Alli :) ________________________________________ =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Joy I will check this out :) Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy King Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:04 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce >From Google: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~treetop/Choctaw/Districts. htm RECORDING DISTRICTS IN INDIAN TERRITORY Recording Districts were created in Indian Territory primarily for Indians to record the land which they received under allotment. IT WAS A PLACE WHERE WHITES COULD ALSO RECORD DOCUMENTS AND SOME MARRIAGES MAY BE THERE. Indian Territory Recording Districts were abolished at Statehood, November 16, 1907, when the county division system was adopted. However, some pre-statehood records still exist in Oklahoma county court houses of those locations. The following list of 30 Recording Districts, and towns where records were kept, may provide a clue for research: 5. Pryor Creek Mayes Co. CHEROKEE NATION named changed to Pryor Jan 26, 1909 named for Nathaniel Pryor early-day Osage Indian agent Also see: http://www.oklahomagenealogy.com/mayes/pryor.htm Joy

>From what I gathered from the paper (& I'll have to dig the actual paper out) is that someone paid the 400 & something dollars to the Cherokee Nation, but she only had to pay $20 (which for her might as well been $400) But! If it's true that's it is because she's connected to the Tribe.....that would be a huge breakthrough for me. Now I just have to get someone from the CNO to answer me so I can find out for sure LOL -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 5:59 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce These appear to be two separate land allotments. One for a township of Pryor Creek and one to your grandmother. I don't know anything about your lineage but it certainly appears that she is receiving the land because of some relationship to the Cherokee. Joyce Gaston Reece

>From Google: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~treetop/Choctaw/Districts.htm RECORDING DISTRICTS IN INDIAN TERRITORY Recording Districts were created in Indian Territory primarily for Indians to record the land which they received under allotment. IT WAS A PLACE WHERE WHITES COULD ALSO RECORD DOCUMENTS AND SOME MARRIAGES MAY BE THERE. Indian Territory Recording Districts were abolished at Statehood, November 16, 1907, when the county division system was adopted. However, some pre-statehood records still exist in Oklahoma county court houses of those locations. The following list of 30 Recording Districts, and towns where records were kept, may provide a clue for research: 5. Pryor Creek Mayes Co. CHEROKEE NATION named changed to Pryor Jan 26, 1909 named for Nathaniel Pryor early-day Osage Indian agent Also see: http://www.oklahomagenealogy.com/mayes/pryor.htm Joy From: Alli :) Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 1:44 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce So........what's the possibility's? Alli :)

Now if she would answer my direct question on the DNA list. Since I have people in the Sizemore case and she is the admin, I would like all the documents on the people and why they were accepted or refused. Where is the link and data for this case? I want all the info. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce Thank you for this wonderful info, Joy. Joyce Gaston Reece

Joyce... The other day when I mentioned I was trying to find info on Cherokee land records & you said to send you a copy of the document so you can look at it & see if you can help. Well, I haven't had a chance to dig out the paper. But I did finally find it in the archives of this group. So I'm reposting what I had already posted in hopes that you know what it means like you said you might or that someone else who reads it can pop out of the wood work to give me some ideas. I've contacted the Cherokee Realty & the CNO (by email) about this & a company that dealt with deeds (I forget what it is, but I believe it was the Cherokee Realty too or something connected to them) So........what's the possibility's? Alli :) Ok.....this is going to be a little long in reading, but I need some help. Here goes Cherokee Nation to Cherokee Realty & Investment CO. (Inc.) Town of Pryor Creek, Indian Terr., Cherokee Nation Commission to the five Civilized Tribes By: Wm. A/H. Martin...Clerk C.B. Markham....Register of Deeds. The Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory To All to Whom these Presents shall Come--(not misspelled)Creeting: Whereas, A Townsite Commission, heretofore appointed under the Act of Congress approved May 31, 1900 (31 Stats. 221), and acting under authority of the Act of Congress, approved July 1, 1902 (32 Stats. 716), ratified by the Cherokee Nation, August 7th, 1902, has appraised the lots in the town of Pryor Creek Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory; and Whereas, The plot of said town was approved by the Secretary of the Interior on the 17th day of September 1902 and was duly placed of file; and Whereas, Said Commission has appraised all of the town lots included in said plat at their true value, excluding improvements, which appraisal has been approved by the Secretary of the Interior; and Whereas, The said Commission has awarded the real estate described hereinbelow to Cherokee Realty & Investments CO. (Incorporated) who which paid Four Hundred and fifteen and 25/100 ($415.25) dollars, the full amount of the purchase price, into the treasury of the United States, to the credit of! the Cherokee Nation of Indians, with the United States Indian Agent, at Muskogee, Indian Territory, and is therefore entitled to a patent. Now, Therefore, I, the undersigned, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, do, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the aforesaid Act of Congress of the United States, hereby grant, sell, and convey unto the said..Cherokee Realty & Investment CO. (Incorporated) its successions and assigns forever all the right, title and interest of the Cherokee Nation, a foresaid in and to Lot 2 numbered South 9 and South 38 feet of 11 in Block....numbered 23, lot 2, block 23, south 71 feet of lot 15, North ???(can't read the handwritten #) in the town of Pryor Creek Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory, and according to the plat thereof on file as aforesaid. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I, the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, have herunto set my hand and caused the Great seal of said Nation to be affixed, at the date hereinafter shown. Oct. 15, 1907 W.C. Rogers Principal Chief of the C.N. Dept. of the Interior Approved : Mar. 24, 1908 James Rudolph Garfield/Garfield Secretary By Olives? A. Phillips Clerk Repeat the above again but where it says "Whereas, The said, Commission has awarded the Real estate described hereinbelow to.......(below section) is my great grandma's name.....who paid....$20 the full amt. of the purchase price......(etc)....... NOW, THEREFORE, I, the undersigned, the Principal Chief.....grant, sell and convey unto the said........my grandma's name...her heirs & assigns forever, all the right.....(etc)..... James Rudolph Garfield...secretary by Olives A. Philps..clerk *********************** My aunt seems to think this is the land allotment received if you've been approved on a roll. She also said that one of the ancestor's were on some roll before the Trail of Tears the "Original Rolls from Georgia" Is there such a thing? I'm trying to get her to get more specific, we'll see. But if ya can help make sense of this land record, I'd appreciate it. Alli :) ________________________________________

I have a spreadsheet on the Tennessee portion...you want a copy? Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:30 PM To: CherokeeGene Subject: [CherokeeGene] Judy White - Question About Henderson Roll on Access Hi, Judy! I'm doing a little project to get ready for a new class in the fall and was just looking at the Henderson Roll on Access. Can you fill me in a little more on what you have up? The Henderson is supposed to be a little over 16,000 names and around 5,000 families but I only find 2272 entries over the four pages. Am I missing something or holding my mouth wrong? Is this a partial listing and still under construction? I know it's a transcription or extract, but it's easier to use than Cherokee Roots since it's digital and I can search it. I'll go manual if I have to but that's a pain! Thanks! Susan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan The 1835 Henderson in the book THOSE WHO CRIED, the 16,000. I happen to have an extra copy I'm trying to see for a non profit. Judy doesn't do anything on access anymore...Dennis is doing it all. Joyce Gaston Reece

Hi, Judy! I'm doing a little project to get ready for a new class in the fall and was just looking at the Henderson Roll on Access. Can you fill me in a little more on what you have up? The Henderson is supposed to be a little over 16,000 names and around 5,000 families but I only find 2272 entries over the four pages. Am I missing something or holding my mouth wrong? Is this a partial listing and still under construction? I know it's a transcription or extract, but it's easier to use than Cherokee Roots since it's digital and I can search it. I'll go manual if I have to but that's a pain! Thanks! Susan