good advice. Best to learn the real facts over hearsay of those who are not sure how to answer. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> To: <ahumble@consolidated.net>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 20th century citizens > You should start by reading the basics: > http://dna-explained.com/2012/10/01/4-kinds-of-dna-for-genetic-genealogy/ > 4 Kinds of DNA for Genetic Genealogy > > And also look at the comparison charts on the ISOGG wiki: > http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart > > Joy > > > From: Humble, Adiene > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:38 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 20th century citizens > > I've had a Mtdna testing which I later found was only 7 markers, anyway, I > felt that this was a total lack of money. I am interested in having > another testing and would like opinions of who is the most reliable. > > I subscribe to ancestry and liked what they told me but a man who lives > not far from them said they were not the best. > > Since he does testing I've wondered if this was incorrect. > > Any advice > Adiene > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should start by reading the basics: http://dna-explained.com/2012/10/01/4-kinds-of-dna-for-genetic-genealogy/ 4 Kinds of DNA for Genetic Genealogy And also look at the comparison charts on the ISOGG wiki: http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_testing_comparison_chart Joy From: Humble, Adiene Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:38 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 20th century citizens I've had a Mtdna testing which I later found was only 7 markers, anyway, I felt that this was a total lack of money. I am interested in having another testing and would like opinions of who is the most reliable. I subscribe to ancestry and liked what they told me but a man who lives not far from them said they were not the best. Since he does testing I've wondered if this was incorrect. Any advice Adiene

I've had a Mtdna testing which I later found was only 7 markers, anyway, I felt that this was a total lack of money. I am interested in having another testing and would like opinions of who is the most reliable. I subscribe to ancestry and liked what they told me but a man who lives not far from them said they were not the best. Since he does testing I've wondered if this was incorrect. Any advice Adiene

Interesting info on The Legal Genealogist today: http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/ 20th century citizens Joy

That's actually how I started off my reasoning for researching Adiene....My dad told us when we were young that we had Cherokee blood in our family tree. I was so proud & thought it was so cool. Then as we got into Jr High/High School he talked about the "benefits" we could get getting our card. I started officially searching when I was around 13. I wanted to find a way to take the financial pressure off my parents for school & such. But the more I searched, the more the names became family, the loss of history became more real. I had some elderly family members, but I didn't know 1/2 the questions that I should have asked as I was trying to fill in the closer holes in the tree & never thought to ask them about those prior to them. Now all the helpful family members that I know would have the answer's & would have helped have passed. I have a family member that is married to a carded indian & she wanted my research so she could become carded like her husband & kids. It shocked me. The only time they contact me was for my research, but refuse to share what they have. Refuse to share OUR family Bible. They just "want" something from our family. They live in the areas where our ancestor's lived, in a couple areas actually & I live several states away. I decided that I would be offending my great grandma & grandma by searching for greedy reasons & I knew that's not why I should be doing it. I have some stories my dad told me, I have some skeletons that NO ONE wants to have shared or would probably believe in some cases. But its just the bad things that a family member did. One was another marriage prior that very few seemed to have been aware of. The family treasures that you have would be outstanding to have. I have several pictures that my dad gave me, but I don't know exactly who everyone is. And the greatest treasure (to me) that I have is my grandma's bible & my dad's bible that my great grandma gave him when he had kids (I think). But my grandma's bible still has the receipt for when she ordered it & how much she paid it & it has her handwriting in it & same with my great grandma's. I have a copy of another Family bible for another family name, which is also cool. I just wish I could go back & see my ancestor's to get some more answers since their offspring did away with our history over the years. -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Humble, Adiene Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 11:25 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] finding your connection Alli, you said it better than I did. I got a call from a niece just recently who wanted my research on the family so she could "get money for college". I don't think that way. Plus any info that I get, I go out and confirm it for myself. I was lucky on my dad's side that another family member found in an old bible the list of my grandmother's grandparents children, date of birth and most lived around us so it was easy to follow On mom's side she gave me the names of her dad's uncles and aunts and her cousins name. It was harder to research but better than nothing. As I researched members contacted me and together we shared info. Mom's mother had an old purse that my aunt gave me which contained tintypes (though of whom there's no one alive), and yellowed bible pages with her ancestors' names, the children's name, births, date of marriage and who they married and their birth which took me back to Zedock and Phoebe Yarborough Weeks. Mom, herself, had an old bible that listed her mother's sibling and some of whom they married, birthdates, and marriage dates and even some death dates. The greatest thing was the stories told to me by my family on both sides. How I found my grandmother had gotten snake bitten, my ggrandfather had a fellow with him looking for an escape convict in LA and sit on a log who wasn't a log. These stories gave me an idea of life when this area was not the civilized and convenient life it is now. However when you have family who you know has "secrets" that they won't talk about and you'd loved to know what that was it really sucks. Grandma would say "Little pitchers have small ears" and she meant me listening to her talking about family members who left their home for some untalkable reason around us kids. However, whether it was from the NA relationship, and both families have many of that, or the lead up to the Civil War and all the incidents that occurred before the declaration of war, I don't know. I just wish that I had asked more questions and not forgot some of what I heard. Hard copy so backs you up but how many times I've really felt that someone has taken my family in their research. In ancestry, I saw that for a fact. Adiene =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alli, you said it better than I did. I got a call from a niece just recently who wanted my research on the family so she could "get money for college". I don't think that way. Plus any info that I get, I go out and confirm it for myself. I was lucky on my dad's side that another family member found in an old bible the list of my grandmother's grandparents children, date of birth and most lived around us so it was easy to follow On mom's side she gave me the names of her dad's uncles and aunts and her cousins name. It was harder to research but better than nothing. As I researched members contacted me and together we shared info. Mom's mother had an old purse that my aunt gave me which contained tintypes (though of whom there's no one alive), and yellowed bible pages with her ancestors' names, the children's name, births, date of marriage and who they married and their birth which took me back to Zedock and Phoebe Yarborough Weeks. Mom, herself, had an old bible that listed her mother's sibling and some of whom they married, birthdates, and marriage dates and even some death dates. The greatest thing was the stories told to me by my family on both sides. How I found my grandmother had gotten snake bitten, my ggrandfather had a fellow with him looking for an escape convict in LA and sit on a log who wasn't a log. These stories gave me an idea of life when this area was not the civilized and convenient life it is now. However when you have family who you know has "secrets" that they won't talk about and you'd loved to know what that was it really sucks. Grandma would say "Little pitchers have small ears" and she meant me listening to her talking about family members who left their home for some untalkable reason around us kids. However, whether it was from the NA relationship, and both families have many of that, or the lead up to the Civil War and all the incidents that occurred before the declaration of war, I don't know. I just wish that I had asked more questions and not forgot some of what I heard. Hard copy so backs you up but how many times I've really felt that someone has taken my family in their research. In ancestry, I saw that for a fact. Adiene

I've got to add to this one a bit. In August of 2012 I had the autosomal or 'familyfinder' dna testing. Got the results back in a few weeks. Went on for over a year and it didn't help a bit. Wasn't able to find a connection I needed anywhere....was thoroughly disgusted with it. Well, as time goes on and more and more people are having it done (on family finder) I have been able to confirm two separate lineages that I only had 'evidentiary' evidence for previously. Now, finding these relationships isn't easy. It takes a lot of time, communication, analysis and digging....especially in the surname department. BUT via that method I've been able to confirm that, yes, Joseph Shields was half brother to my 4th great, James and, yes, this James was indeed the son of James Gaston born 1770 Chester, SC. I've been able to confirm cousin's in the lineages of the siblings to both of them. So if you're willing to invest 99.00 bucks and spend some time digging and emailing and digging even more then you might get a break. Joyce Gaston Reece

Adiene, I can't speak for anyone else, but only for myself & my search. To *me*.....a or the *piece of paper* means finding answer's & finding out who my ancestor's were besides just a name. I have no idea who anyone in my family is past my grandma. I know who her momma was because of the stories my dad shared with us when we were growing up as she was part of his caretakers & he was important to him. She died when I was 2, so if there was a chance that I met her....I don't have any rememberable memories of it. The *piece of paper* gives me *proof* of the family claim, it might give me history. The search to *prove* my Indian connection isn't about money & it shouldn't be for anyone, but I know that I have family that sadly, that's what its for...for what they can *get* from proving our connection. My search is to do what my great grandma told me in a dream/vision & that is to find our family & bring them together once again. And being an Native American is more than just saying that you are or having a piece of paper..........and if its not..........then it should be. Its also not about patience......if it was, I would have given up searching years ago. :) Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Humble, Adiene Sent: Sunday, June 1, 2014 1:43 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King Wow. that looks like an awful lot of paperwork just to be called Native Indian. You are or you're not so what does a piece of paper mean. Sounds like money grabbing to me. This is what has caused a lot of us not to be able to trace our family line back just because someone wants the government to pay money to them. Our family always made their own way and didn't expect the government assistance. In fact, our families left those area early as they could see the handwriting on the wall. There were bigger opportunities for those who were willing to work for it. You girls have more patience that I have. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Adiene Quote: My grandfather's grandfather Joseph Barley died during the Civil War and Mary (who I am starting to believe was a Wall or Walling as they settled in the town next to me and one of their children married and lived in Rusk Co. I have no idea of the nation again as my grandfather would not tell us. If Mary is a Waller in Rusk Co she is, perhaps the one from Roane Co., TN www.roanetnheritage.com You gave no dates. Have you also seen Riley Waller? Joyce Gaston Reece

Hi Adene, Thanks for asking, but this is not my main area of research. Joyce is the one that can help you with your search. Good luck, Joy From: Humble, Adiene Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 2:34 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King Joy, I'm doing research and believe that at least one of my family lines is Cherokee and/or Shawnee on my mom's side. I know that some of her family is Choctaw or Commanche thought my grandmother never said. I hate to bother you but I my brickwall is getting highter and higher as my age is 74 and I'd love to find our what happen to Mary. Tracing NA roots as you know is not an open task and can be difficult if impossible. I'd appreciate any consideration in this regard Adiene

I want to thank the people with the common flare of courtisy who replied and answered my query in the private mail. Some still have the interests of being polite enough to be nice. I re ask that question for clearity because some people have enough trouble just doing messages. Some people also know things change in time and new info comes to light 2004 is a long time to ignor a topic. Some people use email and no internet, they can not search the archive. Like Juno, and certain cell phones. I don't care if some one gave an answer 10 years ago or 2 years ago - if a question is ask, just be nice and supply the answer - or don't post at all. 2 of those are on the list and ask me to repost those query on Sizemore. If people are going to be members of the groups, they also can be nice enough to have polite answers with the enthusiam of being part of the group with out the lectures and certain flares of the ( bite) when an answer is given. Attitudes on this list - just don't cut the rug. I have one rule - I suggest every one read it. ( Rude people will be moderated) This list was started by me for Cherokee research. I don't appricate the all caps - and being snipped at. Also - people by now - should know, rootsweb messages ( are not that reliable to get to the members) due to rootsweb being blacklisted on a daily basis= ( NO) Joys message she repeated, never got to my email, it is not in my archinve which I have back to 1998 - several of Joys messages never got here. Maybe people should not assume just because they posted a message - to rootsweb, that the members all got it - or that rootsweb had not unsubscribed them unknowingly, which according to the LO list, has been happening so I was told on certain list serves. Much simpler - Hi Dan, Hey, I posted that some time ago, did you see it? or Just send it again. My private and admin mail just glo's with members comments. Helps to be nice. Dan M CherokeeGene admin

Wow. that looks like an awful lot of paperwork just to be called Native Indian. You are or you're not so what does a piece of paper mean. Sounds like money grabbing to me. This is what has caused a lot of us not to be able to trace our family line back just because someone wants the government to pay money to them. Our family always made their own way and didn't expect the government assistance. In fact, our families left those area early as they could see the handwriting on the wall. There were bigger opportunities for those who were willing to work for it. You girls have more patience that I have.

Joy, I'm doing research and believe that at least one of my family lines is Cherokee and/or Shawnee on my mom's side. I know that some of her family is Choctaw or Commanche thought my grandmother never said. The families were in Texas in early 1830's or before and one of the lines is Chisum or Chisholm another is Chitty. As I understand it the line had a Elias Thomas who married Lightfoot. Our line goes back to William and Deborah Cook Chisum and Isham Russell and Permelia Roberts Chisum/Chisholm Plus my grandfather's grandparents were both NA from the TN area Can you tell me the how one should try to trace a line down if they are NA that fits with dates the family has? I know many try to prove NA Heritage for monetary reasons but I am not interested in that. In fact, I believe my family chose Texas and "white" because they wanted to avoid the alternative. They chose to make their own way. The Cherokee Reservation is near Livingston, TX, which is not far from me and East Texas was given by Governor Sam Houston to the Nation aas their land but the next governor revoke that. My grandfather's grandfather Joseph Barley died during the Civil War and Mary (who I am starting to believe was a Wall or Walling as they settled in the town next to me and one of their children married and lived in Rusk Co. I have no idea of the nation again as my grandfather would not tell us. I'd like to know what happened to Mary Barley though as she told her married girls she was going to Oklahoma to "be with her people". Originally she was from AL. I hate to bother you but I my brickwall is getting highter and higher as my age is 74 and I'd love to find our what happen to Mary. Tracing NA roots as you know is not an open task and can be difficult if impossible. I'd appreciate any consideration in this regard Adiene

Something I saw on another list prompted me to write a little reminder on the difference between primary and secondary sources and primary, secondary, and tertiary records, especially since we deal with such a different record set in Cherokee genealogy. I know it's all confusing sometimes, but the distinctions are important. There is a wonderful exposition on this subject here: http://www.progenealogists.com/sourcetypes.htm I highly recommend this article. It is well thought out and organized and is a valuable guide. For Cherokee researchers, it can be especially difficult to get the meanings straight and the information in focus. Dawes applications and census cards and Eastern Cherokee Applications, aka ECAs or Guion Miller applications are primary *sources* and *records* for enrollment by Dawes for allotment or acceptance for the Miller payroll but not all information contained in the applications is a primary record. The names of those involved and where they lived on that day are primary data as are other bits of personal information such as birth dates and place, parents' names, marriage, etc - if the applicant was also a participant in that event. A child born after a father's death can only provide secondary information on the father's death date. The good thing about Dawes applications is they contained copies of marriage certificates and licenses, or affidavits from the officiating minister, JP or Judge and affidavits for a child's birth, often divorce documents and affidavits on deaths. Many of these are considered primary records contained within the source, as in many cases affidavits are the only documents that exist for the event, but must be evaluated as to the quality of the information - that is did the person know first hand or are they reporting what they were told by someone else? ECAs contain a wealth of information, and the application itself is a primary *source* but only family composition and addresses on that day and personal information are primary data. Parents' names and possibly death dates are likely primary data, but grandparents' information is only primary if the applicant knew of it first hand, otherwise it is secondary or even tertiary. As you can see, the same document can be either a primary or a secondary source, depending on its purpose and origin and a primary or secondary record depending on when it is originated. All very confusing, eh? Happy time travels! Susan

OKAY I'm stepping out of this one..thanks Joy. *G* Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Joy King Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 8:45 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King I SENT THE INFO LAST YEAR! Joy From: Joy King Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:07 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Matney ECAs Dan, Still nothing new since we discussed your Matney on this list in 2004. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CherokeeGene/2004-08/1092151365 I’ve had this in my files for a couple of years, so decided to send it to the list. ECA No.25138 Acton: Rejected Syrennia Matney and 1 children. Residence; Hillsville, W. Va. Sizemore Case Remarks: Syrennia Matney Johney Matney W. J. Matney Rutha Dean English name: Syrennia Matney Indian name: [Blank] Residence and post office: Hillsville County: McDowell State: West Virginia How old are you? 41 years Where were you born? Floyd Co. Ky. Are you married? Yes Name and age of wife or husband: 58 years [no name given] To what tribe of Indians does he or she belong? Cherokee Indians Name all your children who were living on May 28, 1906, giving their ages: W J Matney #25140 23 years Johney Matney #25139 21 Years Riey Matney 10 years Rutha Dean #25141 [no age given] Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage: Father: George Sizemore Mother: Polley Sizemore Maiden name: [None given] Where were they born? Father: Born Georgia or NC Mother: " " " Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Father: Do not Know Mother: " " " Date of death of your father and mother: Father: Do not Know. Mother: " " " Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: [Blank] Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence if possible: Racheal Sizemore Polly Sizemore Caley Sizemore Jeney Sizemore William Sizemore State English and Indian names of your grandparents on both father's and mother's side, if possible: Father' Side: Do no Know Mother's Side: on Mother Side [apparently also not known] Where were they born? Do no Know only as told in N C Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? in Ky Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: [Blank] Remarks. (Under this head the applicant may give any additional facts which will assist in proving his claim.) It is Said that We are of the Descendence? of Old Nedey Sizemore Who Was Said to be a full Blood Indian I solemnly swear that the forgoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belier. J. B. Dean Witness to} Signature Syrenna her X mark Matney her mark} Subscribed and sworn to before me this 13th day of June 1907 Joseph Hall Notary Public, Personally appeared before me J. B. Dean and W G Dean who, being duly sworn, on oath depose and say that they are well acquainted with Syrennia Matney who makes the forgoing application and statements, and have known her for ? years and ? years, respectively, and know her to be the identical person she represents Herself to be, and that the statements made by her are true, to the best of their knowledge and belief, and they have not interest whatever in the claim. Witnesses to mark. J. B. Dean Hallsville W. Va W. G. Dean " Subscribed and sworn to before me this 13th day of June, 1907 Joseph Hall Notary Public. No. 25138 1. Through which parent or grand-parent do you claim Indian blood, and from what Indian tribe are you descended? Grand Parent Eastern Cherokee 2. As near as possible, give the names of your ancestors that were descended from the Indians who were living at any time between 1830 and 1860, and give the counties and states where each resided during said period, and especially in 1835 and 1851. Head Waters in Habor Sham ga 3. How are you recognized by the population? in the community in which you live? Are? you? considered white, Indian or colored by people generally? If colored, were you or any of your ancestors held as slaves either by Indians or white people? Recognised as Indian Blooded and never was held as Slaves. 4. Did you or any of your ancestors ever live with the Indians as an Indian or member of the tribe. If so, when and where did you or they live with the tribe? Head Waters in Habor Sham ga 5. Were you or any of your any of your Indian ancestors appeared on any Indian roll? If so, give the name of all those ????? I cant answer that question Eliza E. Williard? Copper Hill Tenn 25138 ECA No. 25139 Action: Rejected Name Johney Matney and X children. Residence: Hallsville, W.VA. Reasons: Sizemore Case State full name English name: John. Matney. Indian name: [Blank] Residence and post office: Hillsville County: McDowell State: West virginia How old are you? [Blank] Born [Blank] Where were you born? Floyd Co. Ky. Are your married? Yes Name and age of wife or husband: Victory Matney To what tribe of Indians doe he or she belong? Cheerikee Indians Name all your children who were living on May 28, 1906, giving their ages: None Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage: Father: English name Aron Matney Mother: Syrina Matney Maiden name: Sizemore Sizemore Where were they born? Father: Floyd Co Ky Mother: " " " Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Not Born at Time Father: Born Sept the 24 1849 Mother: Not Born Date of death of your father and mother: Father: Not Known Mother: " " Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: Never Were I did not finish transcribing this application. There are 11 pages total. Also, No. 25140 W. J. Matney and 2 children Residence Hallsville, W. Va. Rejected Sizemore Case 13 pages No.1421 Martha Matney & 1 child Residence Pryon Creek. Okla. Admitted Sister to #72 Applicant enrolled by Chapman 1304. No. 72 Lurena Rivet Residence Owasso, Okla. Admitted Applicant is enrolled Chapman 1305. Applicant’s Father Joseph Henson C 1302 Her father was b. in Cherokee County, NC d. Jan. 9, 1891 Her mother was Selina Warrick b. in Lincoln Co., NC. Mother was a white woman. Both lived in Cherokee Co., NC in 1851 d. July 12, 1886. Brothers & sisters: Leonidas Henson b. Feb 11-1843 d. Jan 31-1868 Martha Matney Nov 1 1845 Pryor Creek I.T. George Henson Mar 21-1851 Jan 31-1868 Mary Shannon Nov 1-1855 In 1900 There are 5 pages in this application. All can be viewed, printed, or downloaded from: http://www.fold3.com/ Joy From: Dan M. Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 1:17 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Clarkston, Napier, Sizemore, Shepherd Joy. Can you show a connection to the Sizemore and Matney? Dan From: Dan M Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee Rolls: #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore Case Application 17 Jun 1907 William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd Co, KY, she Cherokee Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. ===> I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but never replied. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > Okay, I understand that, Alli. BUT if he wants to see the roots of all > the > Sizemore issues that have been occurring over the years and the thousands > of > hours people have spent de-cypering the multitude of items that have > occurred ANYONE should be willing to do the research and read what others > have concluded rather than ask one person to post her very large amount of > data to this list. This Sizemore issue is a multi-faceted one. It would > actually take hours for someone to filter thru all their research and type > up a report to send to this list.....when they already have it on a web > site. Isn't that asking a bit much? > > I am sure you've spent many an hour researching your family. Would you > want > to sit down to type up your deeds, Cherokee applications and all that sort > of data just to post to this list? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I SENT THE INFO LAST YEAR! Joy From: Joy King Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 11:07 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Matney ECAs Dan, Still nothing new since we discussed your Matney on this list in 2004. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CherokeeGene/2004-08/1092151365 I’ve had this in my files for a couple of years, so decided to send it to the list. ECA No.25138 Acton: Rejected Syrennia Matney and 1 children. Residence; Hillsville, W. Va. Sizemore Case Remarks: Syrennia Matney Johney Matney W. J. Matney Rutha Dean English name: Syrennia Matney Indian name: [Blank] Residence and post office: Hillsville County: McDowell State: West Virginia How old are you? 41 years Where were you born? Floyd Co. Ky. Are you married? Yes Name and age of wife or husband: 58 years [no name given] To what tribe of Indians does he or she belong? Cherokee Indians Name all your children who were living on May 28, 1906, giving their ages: W J Matney #25140 23 years Johney Matney #25139 21 Years Riey Matney 10 years Rutha Dean #25141 [no age given] Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage: Father: George Sizemore Mother: Polley Sizemore Maiden name: [None given] Where were they born? Father: Born Georgia or NC Mother: " " " Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Father: Do not Know Mother: " " " Date of death of your father and mother: Father: Do not Know. Mother: " " " Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: [Blank] Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence if possible: Racheal Sizemore Polly Sizemore Caley Sizemore Jeney Sizemore William Sizemore State English and Indian names of your grandparents on both father's and mother's side, if possible: Father' Side: Do no Know Mother's Side: on Mother Side [apparently also not known] Where were they born? Do no Know only as told in N C Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? in Ky Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: [Blank] Remarks. (Under this head the applicant may give any additional facts which will assist in proving his claim.) It is Said that We are of the Descendence? of Old Nedey Sizemore Who Was Said to be a full Blood Indian I solemnly swear that the forgoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belier. J. B. Dean Witness to} Signature Syrenna her X mark Matney her mark} Subscribed and sworn to before me this 13th day of June 1907 Joseph Hall Notary Public, Personally appeared before me J. B. Dean and W G Dean who, being duly sworn, on oath depose and say that they are well acquainted with Syrennia Matney who makes the forgoing application and statements, and have known her for ? years and ? years, respectively, and know her to be the identical person she represents Herself to be, and that the statements made by her are true, to the best of their knowledge and belief, and they have not interest whatever in the claim. Witnesses to mark. J. B. Dean Hallsville W. Va W. G. Dean " Subscribed and sworn to before me this 13th day of June, 1907 Joseph Hall Notary Public. No. 25138 1. Through which parent or grand-parent do you claim Indian blood, and from what Indian tribe are you descended? Grand Parent Eastern Cherokee 2. As near as possible, give the names of your ancestors that were descended from the Indians who were living at any time between 1830 and 1860, and give the counties and states where each resided during said period, and especially in 1835 and 1851. Head Waters in Habor Sham ga 3. How are you recognized by the population? in the community in which you live? Are? you? considered white, Indian or colored by people generally? If colored, were you or any of your ancestors held as slaves either by Indians or white people? Recognised as Indian Blooded and never was held as Slaves. 4. Did you or any of your ancestors ever live with the Indians as an Indian or member of the tribe. If so, when and where did you or they live with the tribe? Head Waters in Habor Sham ga 5. Were you or any of your any of your Indian ancestors appeared on any Indian roll? If so, give the name of all those ????? I cant answer that question Eliza E. Williard? Copper Hill Tenn 25138 ECA No. 25139 Action: Rejected Name Johney Matney and X children. Residence: Hallsville, W.VA. Reasons: Sizemore Case State full name English name: John. Matney. Indian name: [Blank] Residence and post office: Hillsville County: McDowell State: West virginia How old are you? [Blank] Born [Blank] Where were you born? Floyd Co. Ky. Are your married? Yes Name and age of wife or husband: Victory Matney To what tribe of Indians doe he or she belong? Cheerikee Indians Name all your children who were living on May 28, 1906, giving their ages: None Give names of your father and mother, and your mother's name before marriage: Father: English name Aron Matney Mother: Syrina Matney Maiden name: Sizemore Sizemore Where were they born? Father: Floyd Co Ky Mother: " " " Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time? Not Born at Time Father: Born Sept the 24 1849 Mother: Not Born Date of death of your father and mother: Father: Not Known Mother: " " Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians: Never Were I did not finish transcribing this application. There are 11 pages total. Also, No. 25140 W. J. Matney and 2 children Residence Hallsville, W. Va. Rejected Sizemore Case 13 pages No.1421 Martha Matney & 1 child Residence Pryon Creek. Okla. Admitted Sister to #72 Applicant enrolled by Chapman 1304. No. 72 Lurena Rivet Residence Owasso, Okla. Admitted Applicant is enrolled Chapman 1305. Applicant’s Father Joseph Henson C 1302 Her father was b. in Cherokee County, NC d. Jan. 9, 1891 Her mother was Selina Warrick b. in Lincoln Co., NC. Mother was a white woman. Both lived in Cherokee Co., NC in 1851 d. July 12, 1886. Brothers & sisters: Leonidas Henson b. Feb 11-1843 d. Jan 31-1868 Martha Matney Nov 1 1845 Pryor Creek I.T. George Henson Mar 21-1851 Jan 31-1868 Mary Shannon Nov 1-1855 In 1900 There are 5 pages in this application. All can be viewed, printed, or downloaded from: http://www.fold3.com/ Joy From: Dan M. Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2013 1:17 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Clarkston, Napier, Sizemore, Shepherd Joy. Can you show a connection to the Sizemore and Matney? Dan From: Dan M Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee Rolls: #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore Case Application 17 Jun 1907 William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd Co, KY, she Cherokee Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. ===> I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but never replied. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > Okay, I understand that, Alli. BUT if he wants to see the roots of all > the > Sizemore issues that have been occurring over the years and the thousands > of > hours people have spent de-cypering the multitude of items that have > occurred ANYONE should be willing to do the research and read what others > have concluded rather than ask one person to post her very large amount of > data to this list. This Sizemore issue is a multi-faceted one. It would > actually take hours for someone to filter thru all their research and type > up a report to send to this list.....when they already have it on a web > site. Isn't that asking a bit much? > > I am sure you've spent many an hour researching your family. Would you > want > to sit down to type up your deeds, Cherokee applications and all that sort > of data just to post to this list? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! 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Why didn't you ask me to get it for you? I have fold3 Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Dan M Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 11:59 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee Rolls: #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore Case Application 17 Jun 1907 William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd Co, KY, she Cherokee Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. ===> I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but never replied. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > Okay, I understand that, Alli. BUT if he wants to see the roots of all > the > Sizemore issues that have been occurring over the years and the thousands > of > hours people have spent de-cypering the multitude of items that have > occurred ANYONE should be willing to do the research and read what others > have concluded rather than ask one person to post her very large amount of > data to this list. This Sizemore issue is a multi-faceted one. It would > actually take hours for someone to filter thru all their research and type > up a report to send to this list.....when they already have it on a web > site. Isn't that asking a bit much? > > I am sure you've spent many an hour researching your family. Would you > want > to sit down to type up your deeds, Cherokee applications and all that sort > of data just to post to this list? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fold3 did have a free trail period. They also offer 1/2 off for ancestry members. They offer a 20.00 monthly subscription...subscribe for one month, download what you want then unsub. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: yvonne mashburn-schmidt Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 7:27 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 Just an FYI. All of the 1906 Eastern Cherokee applications can be found on Fold3.com, which is a subscription site; however FREE access to Fold3.com is available at LDS Family History Centers nationwide. Here is the link to locate a center near you: https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator Best,Yvonne Mashburn SchmidtProfessional GenealogistLDS Family History Center Director, Cartersville, Georgia Stake678.451.4099 (cell) As a certificate holder of the Boston University Genealogical Research Program, I adhere to the Code of Ethics and standards outlined by the Board for Certification of Genealogists.Georgia GenealogistCartersville, Georgia Family History Center on FacebookCartersville, Georgia Family History Center > From: cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:00:46 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: land ---Joyce (Dan M) > 2. Re: Joy King (Dan M) > 3. Re: Joy King (Dan M) > 4. Re: sizemore (Alli :)) > 5. Re: Joy King (Alli :)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:49:14 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CA4A88478B1645F8AD5B1C4AB4F626E1@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > 99% of the people using these lists can't afford or are not members of pay > organizations. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.com/ECAS/Miller_Report.php > > > > ALL of the original applications can be viewed, printed, or downloaded > > at > > Fold3! > > http://www.fold3.com/ > > > > Joy > > > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:01 AM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > Now if she would answer my direct question on the DNA list. > > Since I have people in the Sizemore case and she is the admin, I would > > like > > all the documents on the people and why they were accepted or refused. > > Where is the link and data for this case? > > I want all the info. > > Dan M > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:52:44 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D77CCA865A94E89AA49D2F74DC4605D@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Was not the point. > Point was - I ask a direct question. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Awe.............didn't even think of that one LOL > > > > Thanks Joy :) > > > > Alli ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy King > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:20 PM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Eastern Cherokee Applications > > > > From: Alli :) > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:55 PM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > What is the ECA's > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:59:01 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A9465FC9211245B0B8D1953149A1E6EF@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application > ===> > Cherokee Rolls: > > #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected > > W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore > Case Application 17 Jun 1907 > > William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. > 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 > > His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd > Co, KY, she Cherokee > > Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. > > ===> > > I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, > but > never replied. > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Okay, I understand that, Alli. BUT if he wants to see the roots of all > > the > > Sizemore issues that have been occurring over the years and the > > thousands > > of > > hours people have spent de-cypering the multitude of items that have > > occurred ANYONE should be willing to do the research and read what > > others > > have concluded rather than ask one person to post her very large amount > > of > > data to this list. This Sizemore issue is a multi-faceted one. It > > would > > actually take hours for someone to filter thru all their research and > > type > > up a report to send to this list.....when they already have it on a web > > site. Isn't that asking a bit much? > > > > I am sure you've spent many an hour researching your family. Would you > > want > > to sit down to type up your deeds, Cherokee applications and all that > > sort > > of data just to post to this list? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 23:18:18 -0600 > From: "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] sizemore > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002a01cf7c8f$bc41f340$34c5d9c0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Seems like there's a lot missing on this link & as for the Fold3 site, > while there is some great info available there, applications general are a > paid member viewing option only. I can't afford Ancestry, let alone adding > fold3 to the bill.....despite how helpful it can be. > > If that's the only way a person is willing to share application info. no > wonder nothing ever gets accomplished or figured out > > Alli :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.com/ECAS/Miller_Report.php > > > > ALL of the original applications can be viewed, printed, or downloaded > > at Fold3! > > http://www.fold3.com/ > > > > Joy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 23:22:08 -0600 > From: "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006701cf7c90$454ef110$cfecd330$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dan, > > If you can not gain access to these applications online, I will order the > microfilm that they would be on & get the information for you the old > fashion way :) And if you need copies I can send them to you. > > No problem & it'll give me an excuse to go to the FHC ;) > > Alli > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:59 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee > Rolls: > > #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected > > W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore > Case Application 17 Jun 1907 > > William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. > 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 > > His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd > Co, KY, she Cherokee > > Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. > > ===> > > I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, > but > never replied. > > Dan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 > ******************************************* =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just an FYI. All of the 1906 Eastern Cherokee applications can be found on Fold3.com, which is a subscription site; however FREE access to Fold3.com is available at LDS Family History Centers nationwide. Here is the link to locate a center near you: https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator Best,Yvonne Mashburn SchmidtProfessional GenealogistLDS Family History Center Director, Cartersville, Georgia Stake678.451.4099 (cell) As a certificate holder of the Boston University Genealogical Research Program, I adhere to the Code of Ethics and standards outlined by the Board for Certification of Genealogists.Georgia GenealogistCartersville, Georgia Family History Center on FacebookCartersville, Georgia Family History Center > From: cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 01:00:46 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: land ---Joyce (Dan M) > 2. Re: Joy King (Dan M) > 3. Re: Joy King (Dan M) > 4. Re: sizemore (Alli :)) > 5. Re: Joy King (Alli :)) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:49:14 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CA4A88478B1645F8AD5B1C4AB4F626E1@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > 99% of the people using these lists can't afford or are not members of pay > organizations. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.com/ECAS/Miller_Report.php > > > > ALL of the original applications can be viewed, printed, or downloaded at > > Fold3! > > http://www.fold3.com/ > > > > Joy > > > > From: Dan M > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:01 AM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > Now if she would answer my direct question on the DNA list. > > Since I have people in the Sizemore case and she is the admin, I would > > like > > all the documents on the people and why they were accepted or refused. > > Where is the link and data for this case? > > I want all the info. > > Dan M > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:52:44 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2D77CCA865A94E89AA49D2F74DC4605D@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Was not the point. > Point was - I ask a direct question. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli :)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Awe.............didn't even think of that one LOL > > > > Thanks Joy :) > > > > Alli ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy King > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:20 PM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Eastern Cherokee Applications > > > > From: Alli :) > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 3:55 PM > > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > What is the ECA's > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 20:59:01 -0700 > From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A9465FC9211245B0B8D1953149A1E6EF@jennic9e33da9d> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application > ===> > Cherokee Rolls: > > #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected > > W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore > Case Application 17 Jun 1907 > > William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. > 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 > > His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd > Co, KY, she Cherokee > > Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. > > ===> > > I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but > never replied. > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > > > Okay, I understand that, Alli. BUT if he wants to see the roots of all > > the > > Sizemore issues that have been occurring over the years and the thousands > > of > > hours people have spent de-cypering the multitude of items that have > > occurred ANYONE should be willing to do the research and read what others > > have concluded rather than ask one person to post her very large amount of > > data to this list. This Sizemore issue is a multi-faceted one. It would > > actually take hours for someone to filter thru all their research and type > > up a report to send to this list.....when they already have it on a web > > site. Isn't that asking a bit much? > > > > I am sure you've spent many an hour researching your family. Would you > > want > > to sit down to type up your deeds, Cherokee applications and all that sort > > of data just to post to this list? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > > sort fact from (fiction). > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 23:18:18 -0600 > From: "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] sizemore > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002a01cf7c8f$bc41f340$34c5d9c0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Seems like there's a lot missing on this link & as for the Fold3 site, > while there is some great info available there, applications general are a > paid member viewing option only. I can't afford Ancestry, let alone adding > fold3 to the bill.....despite how helpful it can be. > > If that's the only way a person is willing to share application info. no > wonder nothing ever gets accomplished or figured out > > Alli :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:07 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] land ---Joyce > > > > http://www.sizemorecherokeerecords.com/ECAS/Miller_Report.php > > > > ALL of the original applications can be viewed, printed, or downloaded > > at Fold3! > > http://www.fold3.com/ > > > > Joy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 23:22:08 -0600 > From: "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006701cf7c90$454ef110$cfecd330$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Dan, > > If you can not gain access to these applications online, I will order the > microfilm that they would be on & get the information for you the old > fashion way :) And if you need copies I can send them to you. > > No problem & it'll give me an excuse to go to the FHC ;) > > Alli > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:59 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King > > No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee > Rolls: > > #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected > > W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore > Case Application 17 Jun 1907 > > William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. > 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 > > His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd > Co, KY, she Cherokee > > Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. > > ===> > > I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but > never replied. > > Dan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 > *******************************************

Dan, If you can not gain access to these applications online, I will order the microfilm that they would be on & get the information for you the old fashion way :) And if you need copies I can send them to you. No problem & it'll give me an excuse to go to the FHC ;) Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Friday, May 30, 2014 9:59 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Joy King No, I had ask directly some time ago for this application ===> Cherokee Rolls: #25140 W J Matney, Publication # M685, Roll # 210, pg 13 Rejected W J Matney & 2 ch, reside Hallsville, McDowell Co, WV Sizemore Case Application 17 Jun 1907 William J is 23 yrs old, b Floyd Co, KY. Wife is 21 yrs old & is Cherokee. 2 ch: Rutha age 2, Opal age 1 His fa was Aron Matneyb 24 Sep 1849, mo Syrenna (Sizemore) Matney of Floyd Co, KY, she Cherokee Had bro Johny Matney age 21 & sis Ricy Matney age 10 b Georgia or NC.. ===> I wanted to see the whole file, some one claimed to have access to it, but never replied. Dan