There is a B. F. Ross buried at the El Reno Cemetery. I bet this is my great great uncle Benjamin F. Ross. I would love to see a photo of his headstone and would be very curious as to what other Rosses are buried beside him. Michael

From 1801 to 1823 Col. Return Jonathan Meigs of Middletown, Connecticut was the agent to the Cherokees. The Agency was first located at Southwest Point, then moved to Hiwassee Garrison near Dayton, TN. Following a dispute over the title to the Garrison land, it was moved to Calhoun, Tennessee. During the time Meigs was the agent, settlers passing through the Cherokee land had to have a pass issued by the agent. In addition, some settlers who had special skills, such as blacksmiths, were invited onto the land by the tribe But there were also many intruders who attempted to settle illegally and had to be removed by the agent. These lists are gleaned from these records. Note that there is a lot of information on these rolls, and I am sure I overlooked a lot of other important items. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~janelle/Intruders.htm --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Georgia Cemetaries: http://www.interment.net/us/ga/index.htm Happy hunting! Jerri --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

In a message dated 7/27/2005 4:09:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ten8csi@yahoo.com writes: > Araminta "Cynthia" HAIR David. Do you have anything else on Her? Shirley

For GOINS researchers: http://members.tripod.com/~GGOINS/iretoncm.htm Preston Washington <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> wrote:Try here.......... http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcemete/okcem.htm , Know I haven't checked on the internet for their burials. I'm not sure where to look. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Apparently, like the intro from Hampton's book said, she was not included in his book. Other Hair's that do appear: Amanda, Andy, Diana, Elizabeth, Jefferson, Mary, Nancy, Nick and Susie. BroeskeSbroeske@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 7/27/2005 4:09:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ten8csi@yahoo.com writes: > Araminta "Cynthia" HAIR David. Do you have anything else on Her? Shirley ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

While I do not know for sure, but you might check the lineage of John ROss Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Matherly To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS Patty, I have corresponded with hundreds of people whose Cherokee ancestors ended up in Indiana. Many of them just prior or during the Trail Of Tears. I really don't know where to tell you to look. THE CHEROKEE IN INDIANA. This is the story told us by our parents and the old ones. It is not told in the history books but we continue to receive supporting evidence to this story by the people of Cherokee blood that joins us, and by hearing the stories that were told them by their ancestors. They all have the same basic story, all their ancestors came from the same places during the same times which would be considered more than just a coincidence. In the 1700's, a band of Cherokee in Georgia and North Carolina (the first lands of the Cherokee), had visions about the coming of the white man. In the vision it was seen that the white man would steal their lands from them, kill them and their families, or drive them to faraway lands. So those that believed these visions and storeys, left their homes and friends and traveled up and into the mountains of Tennessee and North Carolina where they hoped the white man would never come. There they built new homes and started families, believing that they would not be found by the white man. Some smaller bands of the Cherokee went farther northward into Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio and settled along the way. The story went that the ones who went north were warriors, and as they continued northward they battled with the then Indiana Indian tribes along the way. Along the way north some Cherokee found areas of rich lands that seemed good for them to settle in and so they did, leaving a scattered trail of Cherokee people along the way. Many years passed and all went well for the mountain Cherokee, but then came the 1800's. The white man did come as it was visioned by the old ones. The white man found gold in Georgia which fueled the already present desire to rid the lands of the Indians, and so it went. Those that were still living in Georgia were either killed or were force marched off by the United States Calvary to North Carolina, where more Cherokee were found. All the Cherokee were rounded up like cattle and they were all force marched to what they were told, were better lands. This march was later called "The Trail of Tears". Some of the Cherokee escaped the march and they headed into the mountains where some joined up with the decedents of Cherokees that came to the mountains many years prior. The ones that had escaped into the mountains were not forgotten by the government and the Calvary was sent into the mountains to search for them. But the Cherokee people were smarter and every time the Calvary came closer to where they were living, the Cherokee went farther up into the mountains. Eventually, the search for the Cherokee became to expensive and the government lost interest in finding the Cherokee. So the searches were halted and those Cherokee living there finally saw peace. Peace had come. Homes were built, families started, and crops were planted. But the worry of being Cherokee, or just Indian, had not vanished. So to protect themselves from any possible future retaliation by the government, these Cherokee changed their names and settled in with the white mountain people, and they remained in the mountains living as whites. Some even began going to the churches of the mountain people. They avoiding having anything to do with any written record of their existence. Never spoke to outsiders about their heritage, they would not talk their own language, they practiced their ceremonies in secret. and basically became invisible. That was not hard to do in the mountains at that time since the mountains were seldom, if at all visited by anyone other than the mountain people. They eventually became the lost and forgotten Cherokee people. Then in the 1900's, the depression era and prohibition began. The government knew that the mountain people (who became known as hill billies) were making their own moonshine from corn. Moonshine that eventually was sold to outside white people. Some "moon shiners" began making a fair living in selling moonshine. This included some of the old Cherokee people also. But the government had to stop this serious illegal activity and they sent encouraged (instigated) southern law enforcement officers to go in and smash these illegal stills. They even helped by sending government agents to assist. What had become a quiet life for the lost Cherokee people was returning to what it was like a hundred years before. So, some of these Cherokees departed the mountains and headed into different directions, including Indiana. They traveled through Indiana looking for work, but because of the depression, work was very hard to find. Those that found work, settled, built homes, started families and just as in the mountains, they adapted and fit right in. Soon the Cherokee were stretched from southern to northern Indiana. And here we are today, Cherokees in Indiana. Bloodline percentages have lowered, because of interracial marriages between our ancestors throughout the years, but none the less we are their descendants. The descendants who became the Cherokee people of Indiana. Many of us have lived here for years not knowing that there were other Cherokee descendants just like ourselves...until now. The United States Census of 2000 reported that there were 14,000 people of Cherokee blood, full and part, registered and non registered, living in Indiana. That total count of 14,000 may be much less than the actual number because those counted may have been the only Cherokee that responded to the Census. Some people with Cherokee blood who have blended into the mainstream white society may no longer care that they are Cherokee so they marked "white" on the form. Some because of the old ways in which they were brought up by their parents may still today not want to be counted as an Indian. Some being part blood may think they don't have enough blood to be considered Cherokee so they marked "white" also. Whatever the case, we are certain by the Cherokee people we have met and have joined us, there are more Cherokee living in Indiana than was counted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Hedge" <pjhedge@mlec.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > Michael - I note you mentioned your Cherokee ancestors in Indiana. My > Cherokee great-grandmother > was born in Indiana in 1873, but I have been unable to find out anything > more about their time in > that state. I wrote about a birth certificate, but they were not kept that > early. I am wondering if you > might be able to tell me where I might look for more information on the > Cherokee in Indiana. They > were in Tennessee on 1900 census. > Thanks for any help or info you might give me. > Patty Hedge > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > Osiyo, > > > > Unfortunately, my Jesse Ross was born in 1889 in Indiana and died in 1949 > in > > Indiana. Only part of my Rosses ended up on the res in OK. I'm not real > > sure what happened to Jesse's dad Frank Ross born about 1863. Grandpa > Jesse > > never knew his father Frank. You can see what I mean though about how my > > Ross line has many of the same names as your Ross line. > > > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:52 PM > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > > > > Osiyo Michael! > > > > > > You mentioning your kinfolk lived in El Reno really sparked my interest! > > > > > > Jesse Ross is on page 350 of Hampton's book, which dontcha know, is > right > > smack middle of the Ross-McDonald-Shorey line! Jesse Ross, born 1884 > > probably at Saline District, Cherokee Nation, IT, now OK (according to > Tyner > > 'Our People' pg 49) died 6 May 1884, probably at Saline District, buried > at > > SIXKILLER CEMETARY, Locust Grove, Mays, OK. He is the son of Josephine > > PETIT, Dawes Roll 6529, and Henry Clay ROSS. > > > > > > Children of J. Petit and H. Ross: > > > i. Margaret Jane Ross-Dawes Roll #6958 > > > ii.Silas Cooie Ross > > > iii. Joseph Miller Ross-Dawes Roll #6530 > > > iv.(infant son) Ross > > > v.Jesse Ross > > > vi.(infant daughter) Ross > > > vii.Felix Henry Ross-Dawes Roll #6531 > > > viii.Mary Jane Ross > > > ix. Daniel W. Ross > > > > > > All are buried at Sixkiller Cemetary except Felix, who is buried at > > Fairview Cemetary, Pryor, Mayes, OK and Margaret who is buried at Lindsay > > Cemetary, Boatman, Mayes, OK. > > > > > > I hope this is your Jesse Ross! If so, all I can say is: Howdy, Cuz! :) > > > > > > Blessings, > > > J. > > > > > > Michael Matherly <michael@michaelmatherly.com> wrote: > > > Robert and Mary Ross also had a son Napoleon Bonapart Ross and a > daughter > > > Mary J. Ross and another daughter Nancy E. Ross. My grandfather was > Jesse > > > W. Ross. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jay earl" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Cemetary Sleuthing > > > > > > > > > > Wow. I can see how your Ross' get mixed in with my Ross'. My > > > GGG-Grandmother, Mariah Ross was married to Jonathan D. Mulkey (another > > name > > > which is oft confused with others with the same name). She died on the > > Trail > > > of Tears in 1838. > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing. :) > > > > > > > > Michael Matherly wrote: > > > > William H. Barker b. about 1850 married Mariah A. Ross b. 1855. > Married > > on > > > > June 24, 1875. > > > > > > > > Francis (Frank) Marion Ross b. about 1863. > > > > > > > > Robert Ross b. 1853. > > > > > > > > Samuel Ross b. 1849. > > > > > > > > Rebecca Ross b. Jan. 10, 1843 married > > > > William L. Harris b. Mar. 25, 1844 > > > > > > > > Benjamin F. Ross b. Sept. 1840 > > > > > > > > Henry Ross b. April 11, 1847 > > > > > > > > The Rosses above were all siblings. Their mother was Mary Polly > (Miller) > > > > Ross b. about 1818. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Sorry! (blushing) I responded to your email for the other Patty. I knew there was another one talking with you and meant to watch closer, but my brain has been in the wrong gear all day. My apologies to you and Patty. Patty Well, before I forget again, I sent two posts for your Wilsons today before I figured out it was the Wilsons and not the Harris'. Oh well. Let me know if you need more. :) Many Cherokee Blessings, Jerri

Thank you Jerri for the lookups. My husband descends from Archibald M. Wilson's younger brother, George Jr. (also the Marmaduke Daniel and John Hildebrand SR. and Alexander Drumgoole lines). Your info has been really helpful. We are having a terrible time finding George Jr's wife. I know Arch, Alex and George Jr went to CA in 1849 to the Gold Rush by way of the Santa Fe route which swings thru (or near) TX. I had a marriage of a George Wilson and a Susan White in Rusk County TX, and I always wondered if this was our George. But, I have never came across any info that puts the Wilson's in TX, but now that your book showed Thomas' son, Gilbert Wesley Wilson, in TX, I will have to look further into the George married there. Thanks for a new place to start looking and for all the great info in the lookups. I really do appreciate you taking the time for this. Patty

www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 RECORDS "H" Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Sharon Cobb To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Hembree/Emory Hiya I have a friend that is an Emory, and I do believe he has mentioned to me the previous Hembree. Likewise, I believe he has researched this line. I will contact him and see if I can learn anything that may be of use to you. Tootles Sharon > Hembree is the same as Emory. There is a lot on them on the East TN web > site. > Glee ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Hello all, I find your story so true! I have been told this over and over in my youth. Plus stories of the removal. I was told not to tell many of the stories of our ancestors. Because of being ridiculed. Thank you for letting me know that I am not alone. Marsha Hedger Glassburn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > Patty, > > I have corresponded with hundreds of people whose Cherokee ancestors ended > up in Indiana. Many of them just prior or during the Trail Of Tears. I > really don't know where to tell you to look. > > THE CHEROKEE IN INDIANA. > > This is the story told us by our parents and the old ones. It is not told in > the history books but we continue to receive supporting evidence to this > story by the people of Cherokee blood that joins us, and by hearing the > stories that were told them by their ancestors. They all have the same basic > story, all their ancestors came from the same places during the same times > which would be considered more than just a coincidence. In the 1700's, a > band of Cherokee in Georgia and North Carolina (the first lands of the > Cherokee), had visions about the coming of the white man. In the vision it > was seen that the white man would steal their lands from them, kill them and > their families, or drive them to faraway lands. So those that believed these > visions and storeys, left their homes and friends and traveled up and into > the mountains of Tennessee and North Carolina where they hoped the white man > would never come. There they built new homes and started families, believing > that they would not be found by the white man. > > Some smaller bands of the Cherokee went farther northward into Kentucky, > Indiana and Ohio and settled along the way. The story went that the ones who > went north were warriors, and as they continued northward they battled with > the then Indiana Indian tribes along the way. Along the way north some > Cherokee found areas of rich lands that seemed good for them to settle in > and so they did, leaving a scattered trail of Cherokee people along the way. > > Many years passed and all went well for the mountain Cherokee, but then came > the 1800's. The white man did come as it was visioned by the old ones. The > white man found gold in Georgia which fueled the already present desire to > rid the lands of the Indians, and so it went. Those that were still living > in Georgia were either killed or were force marched off by the United States > Calvary to North Carolina, where more Cherokee were found. All the Cherokee > were rounded up like cattle and they were all force marched to what they > were told, were better lands. This march was later called "The Trail of > Tears". Some of the Cherokee escaped the march and they headed into the > mountains where some joined up with the decedents of Cherokees that came to > the mountains many years prior. > > The ones that had escaped into the mountains were not forgotten by the > government and the Calvary was sent into the mountains to search for them. > But the Cherokee people were smarter and every time the Calvary came closer > to where they were living, the Cherokee went farther up into the mountains. > > Eventually, the search for the Cherokee became to expensive and the > government lost interest in finding the Cherokee. So the searches were > halted and those Cherokee living there finally saw peace. > > Peace had come. Homes were built, families started, and crops were planted. > But the worry of being Cherokee, or just Indian, had not vanished. So to > protect themselves from any possible future retaliation by the government, > these Cherokee changed their names and settled in with the white mountain > people, and they remained in the mountains living as whites. Some even began > going to the churches of the mountain people. > > They avoiding having anything to do with any written record of their > existence. Never spoke to outsiders about their heritage, they would not > talk their own language, they practiced their ceremonies in secret. and > basically became invisible. That was not hard to do in the mountains at that > time since the mountains were seldom, if at all visited by anyone other than > the mountain people. They eventually became the lost and forgotten Cherokee > people. > > Then in the 1900's, the depression era and prohibition began. The government > knew that the mountain people (who became known as hill billies) were making > their own moonshine from corn. Moonshine that eventually was sold to outside > white people. Some "moon shiners" began making a fair living in selling > moonshine. This included some of the old Cherokee people also. But the > government had to stop this serious illegal activity and they sent > encouraged (instigated) southern law enforcement officers to go in and smash > these illegal stills. They even helped by sending government agents to > assist. What had become a quiet life for the lost Cherokee people was > returning to what it was like a hundred years before. > > So, some of these Cherokees departed the mountains and headed into different > directions, including Indiana. They traveled through Indiana looking for > work, but because of the depression, work was very hard to find. Those that > found work, settled, built homes, started families and just as in the > mountains, they adapted and fit right in. > > Soon the Cherokee were stretched from southern to northern Indiana. And here > we are today, Cherokees in Indiana. Bloodline percentages have lowered, > because of interracial marriages between our ancestors throughout the years, > but none the less we are their descendants. The descendants who became the > Cherokee people of Indiana. > > Many of us have lived here for years not knowing that there were other > Cherokee descendants just like ourselves...until now. The United States > Census of 2000 reported that there were 14,000 people of Cherokee blood, > full and part, registered and non registered, living in Indiana. That total > count of 14,000 may be much less than the actual number because those > counted may have been the only Cherokee that responded to the Census. Some > people with Cherokee blood who have blended into the mainstream white > society may no longer care that they are Cherokee so they marked "white" on > the form. Some because of the old ways in which they were brought up by > their parents may still today not want to be counted as an Indian. Some > being part blood may think they don't have enough blood to be considered > Cherokee so they marked "white" also. Whatever the case, we are certain by > the Cherokee people we have met and have joined us, there are more Cherokee > living in Indiana than was counted. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patty Hedge" <pjhedge@mlec.net> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:36 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > Michael - I note you mentioned your Cherokee ancestors in Indiana. My > > Cherokee great-grandmother > > was born in Indiana in 1873, but I have been unable to find out anything > > more about their time in > > that state. I wrote about a birth certificate, but they were not kept > that > > early. I am wondering if you > > might be able to tell me where I might look for more information on the > > Cherokee in Indiana. They > > were in Tennessee on 1900 census. > > Thanks for any help or info you might give me. > > Patty Hedge > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > > > > Osiyo, > > > > > > Unfortunately, my Jesse Ross was born in 1889 in Indiana and died in > 1949 > > in > > > Indiana. Only part of my Rosses ended up on the res in OK. I'm not > real > > > sure what happened to Jesse's dad Frank Ross born about 1863. Grandpa > > Jesse > > > never knew his father Frank. You can see what I mean though about how > my > > > Ross line has many of the same names as your Ross line. > > > > > > Michael > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> > > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:52 PM > > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > > > > > > > Osiyo Michael! > > > > > > > > You mentioning your kinfolk lived in El Reno really sparked my > interest! > > > > > > > > Jesse Ross is on page 350 of Hampton's book, which dontcha know, is > > right > > > smack middle of the Ross-McDonald-Shorey line! Jesse Ross, born 1884 > > > probably at Saline District, Cherokee Nation, IT, now OK (according to > > Tyner > > > 'Our People' pg 49) died 6 May 1884, probably at Saline District, buried > > at > > > SIXKILLER CEMETARY, Locust Grove, Mays, OK. He is the son of Josephine > > > PETIT, Dawes Roll 6529, and Henry Clay ROSS. > > > > > > > > Children of J. Petit and H. Ross: > > > > i. Margaret Jane Ross-Dawes Roll #6958 > > > > ii.Silas Cooie Ross > > > > iii. Joseph Miller Ross-Dawes Roll #6530 > > > > iv.(infant son) Ross > > > > v.Jesse Ross > > > > vi.(infant daughter) Ross > > > > vii.Felix Henry Ross-Dawes Roll #6531 > > > > viii.Mary Jane Ross > > > > ix. Daniel W. Ross > > > > > > > > All are buried at Sixkiller Cemetary except Felix, who is buried at > > > Fairview Cemetary, Pryor, Mayes, OK and Margaret who is buried at > Lindsay > > > Cemetary, Boatman, Mayes, OK. > > > > > > > > I hope this is your Jesse Ross! If so, all I can say is: Howdy, Cuz! > :) > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > J. > > > > > > > > Michael Matherly <michael@michaelmatherly.com> wrote: > > > > Robert and Mary Ross also had a son Napoleon Bonapart Ross and a > > daughter > > > > Mary J. Ross and another daughter Nancy E. Ross. My grandfather was > > Jesse > > > > W. Ross. > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "jay earl" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Cemetary Sleuthing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow. I can see how your Ross' get mixed in with my Ross'. My > > > > GGG-Grandmother, Mariah Ross was married to Jonathan D. Mulkey > (another > > > name > > > > which is oft confused with others with the same name). She died on the > > > Trail > > > > of Tears in 1838. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing. :) > > > > > > > > > > Michael Matherly wrote: > > > > > William H. Barker b. about 1850 married Mariah A. Ross b. 1855. > > Married > > > on > > > > > June 24, 1875. > > > > > > > > > > Francis (Frank) Marion Ross b. about 1863. > > > > > > > > > > Robert Ross b. 1853. > > > > > > > > > > Samuel Ross b. 1849. > > > > > > > > > > Rebecca Ross b. Jan. 10, 1843 married > > > > > William L. Harris b. Mar. 25, 1844 > > > > > > > > > > Benjamin F. Ross b. Sept. 1840 > > > > > > > > > > Henry Ross b. April 11, 1847 > > > > > > > > > > The Rosses above were all siblings. Their mother was Mary Polly > > (Miller) > > > > > Ross b. about 1818. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > > visit > > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > > visit > > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > >

Hiya I have a friend that is an Emory, and I do believe he has mentioned to me the previous Hembree. Likewise, I believe he has researched this line. I will contact him and see if I can learn anything that may be of use to you. Tootles Sharon > Hembree is the same as Emory. There is a lot on them on the East TN web > site. > Glee

Patty, I have corresponded with hundreds of people whose Cherokee ancestors ended up in Indiana. Many of them just prior or during the Trail Of Tears. I really don't know where to tell you to look. THE CHEROKEE IN INDIANA. This is the story told us by our parents and the old ones. It is not told in the history books but we continue to receive supporting evidence to this story by the people of Cherokee blood that joins us, and by hearing the stories that were told them by their ancestors. They all have the same basic story, all their ancestors came from the same places during the same times which would be considered more than just a coincidence. In the 1700's, a band of Cherokee in Georgia and North Carolina (the first lands of the Cherokee), had visions about the coming of the white man. In the vision it was seen that the white man would steal their lands from them, kill them and their families, or drive them to faraway lands. So those that believed these visions and storeys, left their homes and friends and traveled up and into the mountains of Tennessee and North Carolina where they hoped the white man would never come. There they built new homes and started families, believing that they would not be found by the white man. Some smaller bands of the Cherokee went farther northward into Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio and settled along the way. The story went that the ones who went north were warriors, and as they continued northward they battled with the then Indiana Indian tribes along the way. Along the way north some Cherokee found areas of rich lands that seemed good for them to settle in and so they did, leaving a scattered trail of Cherokee people along the way. Many years passed and all went well for the mountain Cherokee, but then came the 1800's. The white man did come as it was visioned by the old ones. The white man found gold in Georgia which fueled the already present desire to rid the lands of the Indians, and so it went. Those that were still living in Georgia were either killed or were force marched off by the United States Calvary to North Carolina, where more Cherokee were found. All the Cherokee were rounded up like cattle and they were all force marched to what they were told, were better lands. This march was later called "The Trail of Tears". Some of the Cherokee escaped the march and they headed into the mountains where some joined up with the decedents of Cherokees that came to the mountains many years prior. The ones that had escaped into the mountains were not forgotten by the government and the Calvary was sent into the mountains to search for them. But the Cherokee people were smarter and every time the Calvary came closer to where they were living, the Cherokee went farther up into the mountains. Eventually, the search for the Cherokee became to expensive and the government lost interest in finding the Cherokee. So the searches were halted and those Cherokee living there finally saw peace. Peace had come. Homes were built, families started, and crops were planted. But the worry of being Cherokee, or just Indian, had not vanished. So to protect themselves from any possible future retaliation by the government, these Cherokee changed their names and settled in with the white mountain people, and they remained in the mountains living as whites. Some even began going to the churches of the mountain people. They avoiding having anything to do with any written record of their existence. Never spoke to outsiders about their heritage, they would not talk their own language, they practiced their ceremonies in secret. and basically became invisible. That was not hard to do in the mountains at that time since the mountains were seldom, if at all visited by anyone other than the mountain people. They eventually became the lost and forgotten Cherokee people. Then in the 1900's, the depression era and prohibition began. The government knew that the mountain people (who became known as hill billies) were making their own moonshine from corn. Moonshine that eventually was sold to outside white people. Some "moon shiners" began making a fair living in selling moonshine. This included some of the old Cherokee people also. But the government had to stop this serious illegal activity and they sent encouraged (instigated) southern law enforcement officers to go in and smash these illegal stills. They even helped by sending government agents to assist. What had become a quiet life for the lost Cherokee people was returning to what it was like a hundred years before. So, some of these Cherokees departed the mountains and headed into different directions, including Indiana. They traveled through Indiana looking for work, but because of the depression, work was very hard to find. Those that found work, settled, built homes, started families and just as in the mountains, they adapted and fit right in. Soon the Cherokee were stretched from southern to northern Indiana. And here we are today, Cherokees in Indiana. Bloodline percentages have lowered, because of interracial marriages between our ancestors throughout the years, but none the less we are their descendants. The descendants who became the Cherokee people of Indiana. Many of us have lived here for years not knowing that there were other Cherokee descendants just like ourselves...until now. The United States Census of 2000 reported that there were 14,000 people of Cherokee blood, full and part, registered and non registered, living in Indiana. That total count of 14,000 may be much less than the actual number because those counted may have been the only Cherokee that responded to the Census. Some people with Cherokee blood who have blended into the mainstream white society may no longer care that they are Cherokee so they marked "white" on the form. Some because of the old ways in which they were brought up by their parents may still today not want to be counted as an Indian. Some being part blood may think they don't have enough blood to be considered Cherokee so they marked "white" also. Whatever the case, we are certain by the Cherokee people we have met and have joined us, there are more Cherokee living in Indiana than was counted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Hedge" <pjhedge@mlec.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > Michael - I note you mentioned your Cherokee ancestors in Indiana. My > Cherokee great-grandmother > was born in Indiana in 1873, but I have been unable to find out anything > more about their time in > that state. I wrote about a birth certificate, but they were not kept that > early. I am wondering if you > might be able to tell me where I might look for more information on the > Cherokee in Indiana. They > were in Tennessee on 1900 census. > Thanks for any help or info you might give me. > Patty Hedge > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > Osiyo, > > > > Unfortunately, my Jesse Ross was born in 1889 in Indiana and died in 1949 > in > > Indiana. Only part of my Rosses ended up on the res in OK. I'm not real > > sure what happened to Jesse's dad Frank Ross born about 1863. Grandpa > Jesse > > never knew his father Frank. You can see what I mean though about how my > > Ross line has many of the same names as your Ross line. > > > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:52 PM > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > > > > > > > Osiyo Michael! > > > > > > You mentioning your kinfolk lived in El Reno really sparked my interest! > > > > > > Jesse Ross is on page 350 of Hampton's book, which dontcha know, is > right > > smack middle of the Ross-McDonald-Shorey line! Jesse Ross, born 1884 > > probably at Saline District, Cherokee Nation, IT, now OK (according to > Tyner > > 'Our People' pg 49) died 6 May 1884, probably at Saline District, buried > at > > SIXKILLER CEMETARY, Locust Grove, Mays, OK. He is the son of Josephine > > PETIT, Dawes Roll 6529, and Henry Clay ROSS. > > > > > > Children of J. Petit and H. Ross: > > > i. Margaret Jane Ross-Dawes Roll #6958 > > > ii.Silas Cooie Ross > > > iii. Joseph Miller Ross-Dawes Roll #6530 > > > iv.(infant son) Ross > > > v.Jesse Ross > > > vi.(infant daughter) Ross > > > vii.Felix Henry Ross-Dawes Roll #6531 > > > viii.Mary Jane Ross > > > ix. Daniel W. Ross > > > > > > All are buried at Sixkiller Cemetary except Felix, who is buried at > > Fairview Cemetary, Pryor, Mayes, OK and Margaret who is buried at Lindsay > > Cemetary, Boatman, Mayes, OK. > > > > > > I hope this is your Jesse Ross! If so, all I can say is: Howdy, Cuz! :) > > > > > > Blessings, > > > J. > > > > > > Michael Matherly <michael@michaelmatherly.com> wrote: > > > Robert and Mary Ross also had a son Napoleon Bonapart Ross and a > daughter > > > Mary J. Ross and another daughter Nancy E. Ross. My grandfather was > Jesse > > > W. Ross. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "jay earl" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Cemetary Sleuthing > > > > > > > > > > Wow. I can see how your Ross' get mixed in with my Ross'. My > > > GGG-Grandmother, Mariah Ross was married to Jonathan D. Mulkey (another > > name > > > which is oft confused with others with the same name). She died on the > > Trail > > > of Tears in 1838. > > > > > > > > Thanks for sharing. :) > > > > > > > > Michael Matherly wrote: > > > > William H. Barker b. about 1850 married Mariah A. Ross b. 1855. > Married > > on > > > > June 24, 1875. > > > > > > > > Francis (Frank) Marion Ross b. about 1863. > > > > > > > > Robert Ross b. 1853. > > > > > > > > Samuel Ross b. 1849. > > > > > > > > Rebecca Ross b. Jan. 10, 1843 married > > > > William L. Harris b. Mar. 25, 1844 > > > > > > > > Benjamin F. Ross b. Sept. 1840 > > > > > > > > Henry Ross b. April 11, 1847 > > > > > > > > The Rosses above were all siblings. Their mother was Mary Polly > (Miller) > > > > Ross b. about 1818. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

The 1920 McIntosh Co., Checotah, Oklahoma census has my Jesse Hembree living with my Grandmother, Georgia Hembree nee Farmer and one son. He said his father was from Tennesee and his mother from Oklahoma. In the 1930 census for Calumet, he and Georgia have seven kids (and they weren't done yet). Sharon Cobb <sycobb@comcast.net> wrote:Hiya I have a friend that is an Emory, and I do believe he has mentioned to me the previous Hembree. Likewise, I believe he has researched this line. I will contact him and see if I can learn anything that may be of use to you. Tootles Sharon > Hembree is the same as Emory. There is a lot on them on the East TN web > site. > Glee ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

The 1920 McIntosh Co., Checotah, census has my Jesse Hembree living with my Grandmother, Georgia Hembree nee Farmer and one son. He said his father was from Tennesee and his mother from Oklahoma. In the 1930 census for Calumet, he and Georgia have seven kids (and they weren't done yet). Sharon Cobb <sycobb@comcast.net> wrote: Hiya I have a friend that is an Emory, and I do believe he has mentioned to me the previous Hembree. Likewise, I believe he has researched this line. I will contact him and see if I can learn anything that may be of use to you. Tootles Sharon > Hembree is the same as Emory. There is a lot on them on the East TN web > site. > Glee ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

How do I reach Mr. Hampton ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ross-McDonald-Shorey, Miller, Hair > Maybe John Rotten Ross is in your line then. That would explain why the names are hard to track. I believe Mr. Hampton is following these leads but it might be a good idea if you emailed him anyway. Good luck.

My great great grandfather Robert Ross b. 1808 who married my great great grandmother Mary Polly Miller, had a brother John Ross born about 1816 and he married Elizabeth Miller the same year that Robert married Mary in 1839. I'm pretty sure Mary and Elizabeth were sisters. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ross-McDonald-Shorey, Miller, Hair > "Other than not including the name of some of the Shorey descendents, a major error in Dr. Starr's History on this family is his inclusion of a child of Chief John Ross, also named John Ross, which is not correct. This supposed son was an Osage Indian, and information on his family is included subsequent to the Ross-McDonald-Shorey section (which encompass pages 261 through 397). In addition, it strongly appears that there may be additional members of his family whose parentage are not definately deteermined. Especially noted should be John Rotten ROSS (c1836-1880) who married Lucinda MILLER; and George ROSS (c 1846-1899) who married Araminta "Cynthia" HAIR. Both of these men are supposed to be the children of a Lewis Ross, but further research is needed to properly place them in this family." > > --David Hampton, 2005 > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Osiyo, Unfortunately, my Jesse Ross was born in 1889 in Indiana and died in 1949 in Indiana. Only part of my Rosses ended up on the res in OK. I'm not real sure what happened to Jesse's dad Frank Ross born about 1863. Grandpa Jesse never knew his father Frank. You can see what I mean though about how my Ross line has many of the same names as your Ross line. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] JESSE ROSS > Osiyo Michael! > > You mentioning your kinfolk lived in El Reno really sparked my interest! > > Jesse Ross is on page 350 of Hampton's book, which dontcha know, is right smack middle of the Ross-McDonald-Shorey line! Jesse Ross, born 1884 probably at Saline District, Cherokee Nation, IT, now OK (according to Tyner 'Our People' pg 49) died 6 May 1884, probably at Saline District, buried at SIXKILLER CEMETARY, Locust Grove, Mays, OK. He is the son of Josephine PETIT, Dawes Roll 6529, and Henry Clay ROSS. > > Children of J. Petit and H. Ross: > i. Margaret Jane Ross-Dawes Roll #6958 > ii.Silas Cooie Ross > iii. Joseph Miller Ross-Dawes Roll #6530 > iv.(infant son) Ross > v.Jesse Ross > vi.(infant daughter) Ross > vii.Felix Henry Ross-Dawes Roll #6531 > viii.Mary Jane Ross > ix. Daniel W. Ross > > All are buried at Sixkiller Cemetary except Felix, who is buried at Fairview Cemetary, Pryor, Mayes, OK and Margaret who is buried at Lindsay Cemetary, Boatman, Mayes, OK. > > I hope this is your Jesse Ross! If so, all I can say is: Howdy, Cuz! :) > > Blessings, > J. > > Michael Matherly <michael@michaelmatherly.com> wrote: > Robert and Mary Ross also had a son Napoleon Bonapart Ross and a daughter > Mary J. Ross and another daughter Nancy E. Ross. My grandfather was Jesse > W. Ross. > > Michael > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jay earl" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 4:50 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Cemetary Sleuthing > > > > Wow. I can see how your Ross' get mixed in with my Ross'. My > GGG-Grandmother, Mariah Ross was married to Jonathan D. Mulkey (another name > which is oft confused with others with the same name). She died on the Trail > of Tears in 1838. > > > > Thanks for sharing. :) > > > > Michael Matherly wrote: > > William H. Barker b. about 1850 married Mariah A. Ross b. 1855. Married on > > June 24, 1875. > > > > Francis (Frank) Marion Ross b. about 1863. > > > > Robert Ross b. 1853. > > > > Samuel Ross b. 1849. > > > > Rebecca Ross b. Jan. 10, 1843 married > > William L. Harris b. Mar. 25, 1844 > > > > Benjamin F. Ross b. Sept. 1840 > > > > Henry Ross b. April 11, 1847 > > > > The Rosses above were all siblings. Their mother was Mary Polly (Miller) > > Ross b. about 1818. > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Well, before I forget again, I sent two posts for your Wilsons today before I figured out it was the Wilsons and not the Harris'. Oh well. Let me know if you need more. :) Many Cherokee Blessings, Jerri Tom and Patty <tomnpat@iland.net> wrote: Sorry J. Talk about brain fog! I try to edit down to a short message and must have gotten carried away. These were the Wilson's. I would like to know about Thomas Wilson that is listed in your book. Thank you and don't worry about brain fog - been there - and done that - and I ....don't remember ... Oh well, it'll all be better tomorrow! And if not, I won't remember it anyway! Thanks, Patty Osiyo Patti. What was the last name of the parties I was looking up? I've already cleaned house with my other emails and I have researched quite a few names recently. Pardon my brain fog. Thanks. Jerri ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Thank you so very much. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > Osiyo Patty, > > Morgans: Amanda Patience 1837-1921, Bettie 1889-1921, Cherokee America 1830-1919, Ellen Zaphora 1860-1947, George Washington 1817-1862, Gideon 1778-1851, James (infant 1914), John and Mary Polly 1836-?. > > Franklins: Benjamin and Mary Jane. > > Hope this helps. > J. > > Patty Hedge <pjhedge@mlec.net> wrote: > Jerri, > Would you please check the names MORGAN and FRANKLIN when you have a > chance. > Many thanks. > Patty > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "susan smathers" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > Thank you so much for taking the time to look up the names for me, some of > > the first names do run in my family. > > again thank you > > susan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "jay earl" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 9:51 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > > > Osiyo Susan, > > > > > > There is a Ethelbert Britton Bright 1819-1920 and Samuel B. Bright. Also > > > there is a Henry Lee Hill 1835-1890, Martha Lavinia Hill 1870-1929, and > > > William J. Hill. There are many Parris', ___, Emeline, George W., H.G., > > > Johnson, kate, Margaret, Mary, Moses, (another) Moses, Nannie and > Pauline. > > > There are no selfs. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > J. > > > > > > susan smathers wrote: > > > When you get your book would you mind looking up the following names for > > > me. > > > Bright and Parris, Self and Hill > > > thank you > > > susan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tom and Patty" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 5:01 PM > > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] David Keith Hampton's latest book > > > > > > > > >> Hi Jerri, > > >> Is this the first book he has out, or is his 2nd book out already? > > >> Thanks for the offer to do lookups! > > >> Patty > > >> Does anyone know what families will be in his 2nd book? > > >> > > >> Just to let you know, I am awaiting David Keith Hampton's latest book > > >> 'Cherokee Mixed Bloods'. When it arrives I will be happy to look up > names > > >> whenever time allows. > > >> > > >> Jerri > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >> Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please > visit > > >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >> You can also find what you need search the archives > > >> or to get off this list via web site below > > >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > > or to get off this list via web site below > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Yahoo! 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