I am checking to see if this will go through this time. I have aol and that sometimes is an issue. The information I am looking for is on Everett and Settie Stokes. Fawn Dessy -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com> To: cherokeegene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Jun 6, 2014 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes She doesn't have G Mail Joyce. I do & I don't have any issues w/RW......at least not yet lol -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:16 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes You can tell her it's the gmail, Alli. G-Mail doesn't loop mail from the lists back to the sender. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 8:02 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes I was asked to forward a message as it won't go through for her. So if you guys have any questions about the message below contact fawn directly (addy is below) Alli :) From: Fawn Dessy [mailto:fdessy@aol.com] fdessy @ aol.com (take out the spaces before & after the @) Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:50 PM To: iamcheroke@gmail.com Subject: Stokes I hope you remember me on the Cherokee Rogers and Pettitt information from some time back. I am getting emails from the Cherokeegene board, but tried to send the following a couple of days ago, and it appears it did not go through. Can you make the inquiry for me? Thanks! Fawn Dessy I am trying to help a friend locate his ancestors who are Everett and Settie Stokes who were Cherokee and apparently living in some place in OK during the period of the Dawes Rolls. He thought cousins had their CNO cards based on their descent from Everett and Settie, but I do not see these names in Vol II of Cherokee Roots. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can tell her it's the gmail, Alli. G-Mail doesn't loop mail from the lists back to the sender. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 8:02 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes I was asked to forward a message as it won't go through for her. So if you guys have any questions about the message below contact fawn directly (addy is below) Alli :) From: Fawn Dessy [mailto:fdessy@aol.com] fdessy @ aol.com (take out the spaces before & after the @) Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:50 PM To: iamcheroke@gmail.com Subject: Stokes I hope you remember me on the Cherokee Rogers and Pettitt information from some time back. I am getting emails from the Cherokeegene board, but tried to send the following a couple of days ago, and it appears it did not go through. Can you make the inquiry for me? Thanks! Fawn Dessy I am trying to help a friend locate his ancestors who are Everett and Settie Stokes who were Cherokee and apparently living in some place in OK during the period of the Dawes Rolls. He thought cousins had their CNO cards based on their descent from Everett and Settie, but I do not see these names in Vol II of Cherokee Roots. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Theresa, If I understand your comments correctly, I would like to tell you my experience. All Mexicans did not come from Spain. When the Spanish came over to South and Central America, they were met by 'Indians' just like in North America. There are people in both South and Central America that are of Spanish ancestry, some of other European ancestries, some are of Indian ancestry and some a mixture of all. Their DNA might reflect this. It is a common mistake to generalize and think that all Mexicans are of Spanish ancestry. If you look at them you can see the differences and easily pick out the ones that are more of the Indian ancestry. These are mostly shorter, darker and have dark eyes and hair. There will be exceptions due to mixtures. My mother's aunt married a Mexican of Spanish ancestry and their sons were white and tall. The grandchildren are white, light haired and blue eyed. She was from Puerto Rico. My father is American and my mother is from Puerto Rico of Spanish ancestry. Yet the mtDNA on her Puertorican father is A2 considered Amerindian or from the Taino Indians of the Carribean. His YDNA is R1b1b2 considered very European. We had no idea there was Indian blood in the family. This Spanish ancestry has a lot of blond, blue eyed people. This also should answer your comment about the NA DNA not showing if you have Spanish or Portuguese DNA. My grandfather had both. I do not mean to cause a problem but I just wanted to clarify this generalization. Sincerely, Evelyn On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Dan M <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: > I think it is good to open all avenues of the DNA on this list this week. > Next Sat, we can move it back to the DNA list and maybe some more > subscribers too. > People need to learn all the details, might as well have a topic and go > with > it. > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Native DNA > > > > Theresa, > > > > Have you looked at all of the projects? > > > http://nativeheritageproject.com/2014/05/26/native-american-dna-projects/ > > > > You can contact Roberta if you still have any questions. > > > > Joy > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just an aside: My email address goes through gmail. Believe you me, not by choice, but I get the loop back. "A nation of Sheep will beget a government of Wolves.: Edward R. Murrow On 6/6/2014 5:40 PM, Alli :) wrote: > She doesn't have G Mail Joyce. > > I do & I don't have any issues w/RW......at least not yet lol > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:16 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes > > You can tell her it's the gmail, Alli. > > G-Mail doesn't loop mail from the lists back to the sender. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 8:02 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes > > I was asked to forward a message as it won't go through for her. So if you > guys have any questions about the message below contact fawn directly (addy > is below) > > > Alli :) > > > > From: Fawn Dessy [mailto:fdessy@aol.com] fdessy @ aol.com (take out the > spaces before & after the @) > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:50 PM > To: iamcheroke@gmail.com > Subject: Stokes > > > > I hope you remember me on the Cherokee Rogers and Pettitt information from > some time back. I am getting emails from the Cherokeegene board, but tried > to send the following a couple of days ago, and it appears it did not go > through. Can you make the inquiry for me? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Fawn Dessy > > > > I am trying to help a friend locate his ancestors who are Everett and Settie > Stokes who were Cherokee and apparently living in some place in OK during > the period of the Dawes Rolls. > > > > He thought cousins had their CNO cards based on their descent from Everett > and Settie, but I do not see these names in Vol II of Cherokee Roots. Is > there somewhere else I should be looking? > > > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I believe you should check for yourself ANY info that may be about your family line, even if it's right. I also have learned that sometimes links you have found that could connect as well. I may compare many families in this process. Follow leads but check for youtself Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 7:17 PM, "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: You can learn if you have an open mind & your pride &/or ego isn't too big to get in the way of the information that the other person (whom you disagree with or who disagrees with you) may have. If your not willing to dbl check on what they know, by looking at the examples that they have for you, then you can't say that they are not able to do something if you don't bother to check to see what they can or can't do . :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adiene Humble Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 2:58 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com Agree. You can learn something even with someone you don't agree with Sent from my iPhone =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

She doesn't have G Mail Joyce. I do & I don't have any issues w/RW......at least not yet lol -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce Gaston Reece Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:16 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes You can tell her it's the gmail, Alli. G-Mail doesn't loop mail from the lists back to the sender. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Alli :) Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 8:02 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] FW: Stokes I was asked to forward a message as it won't go through for her. So if you guys have any questions about the message below contact fawn directly (addy is below) Alli :) From: Fawn Dessy [mailto:fdessy@aol.com] fdessy @ aol.com (take out the spaces before & after the @) Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:50 PM To: iamcheroke@gmail.com Subject: Stokes I hope you remember me on the Cherokee Rogers and Pettitt information from some time back. I am getting emails from the Cherokeegene board, but tried to send the following a couple of days ago, and it appears it did not go through. Can you make the inquiry for me? Thanks! Fawn Dessy I am trying to help a friend locate his ancestors who are Everett and Settie Stokes who were Cherokee and apparently living in some place in OK during the period of the Dawes Rolls. He thought cousins had their CNO cards based on their descent from Everett and Settie, but I do not see these names in Vol II of Cherokee Roots. Is there somewhere else I should be looking? =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I always have documents to back up what I find. I have found MANY who don't verify squat before posting their "findings" there have been several that have had my direct line so screwed up it wasn't even funny & w/o proof, they continue to post it. Drives me insane -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adiene Humble Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 6:29 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] learning I believe you should check for yourself ANY info that may be about your family line, even if it's right. I also have learned that sometimes links you have found that could connect as well. I may compare many families in this process. Follow leads but check for youtself Sent from my iPhone

You can learn if you have an open mind & your pride &/or ego isn't too big to get in the way of the information that the other person (whom you disagree with or who disagrees with you) may have. If your not willing to dbl check on what they know, by looking at the examples that they have for you, then you can't say that they are not able to do something if you don't bother to check to see what they can or can't do . :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adiene Humble Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 2:58 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com Agree. You can learn something even with someone you don't agree with Sent from my iPhone

Everything I can access has to be online because I am too far away from town now to go to the library, I have to pay for everything :( Dan's suggestion of making a list for the DNA sites & such is a good idea. If we have 1 website/page that we can go to w/o having to do a search for everything, that'd be great. Itd be kind of neat if we could give them "stars" for how good they are based on consumer opinion :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adiene Humble" <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > Use the library sources, Most were written BEFORE commercial sites > > Sent from my iPhone

Yep. It may not change anything, but I'm going to complain about paying extra for stuff that we use to not have to. I noticed the change in access to stuff that use to be free (for guests) you now have to pay to view. I think its stupid & have a few other choice words, but won't say them :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 3:44 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com Uh, yeah thats true, and people did the same thing with gas prices and let them get away with it.

I think there's a difference between Spaniards & Latino/Mexican. The Mexicans have Indian blood but also have Mayian in there too (which might also be considered indian to some extent) They are just as melted as the "white" people that a lot of them (Mexicans) will dis lol Alli :) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evelyn Hutto Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:53 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Native DNA Hi Theresa, If I understand your comments correctly, I would like to tell you my experience. All Mexicans did not come from Spain. When the Spanish came over to South and Central America, they were met by 'Indians' just like in North America. There are people in both South and Central America that are of Spanish ancestry, some of other European ancestries, some are of Indian ancestry and some a mixture of all. Their DNA might reflect this. It is a common mistake to generalize and think that all Mexicans are of Spanish ancestry. If you look at them you can see the differences and easily pick out the ones that are more of the Indian ancestry. These are mostly shorter, darker and have dark eyes and hair. There will be exceptions due to mixtures. My mother's aunt married a Mexican of Spanish ancestry and their sons were white and tall. The grandchildren are white, light haired and blue eyed. She was from Puerto Rico. My father is American and my mother is from Puerto Rico of Spanish ancestry. Yet the mtDNA on her Puertorican father is A2 considered Amerindian or from the Taino Indians of the Carribean. His YDNA is R1b1b2 considered very European. We had no idea there was Indian blood in the family. This Spanish ancestry has a lot of blond, blue eyed people. This also should answer your comment about the NA DNA not showing if you have Spanish or Portuguese DNA. My grandfather had both. I do not mean to cause a problem but I just wanted to clarify this generalization. Sincerely, Evelyn

I was asked to forward a message as it won't go through for her. So if you guys have any questions about the message below contact fawn directly (addy is below) Alli :) From: Fawn Dessy [mailto:fdessy@aol.com] fdessy @ aol.com (take out the spaces before & after the @) Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 5:50 PM To: iamcheroke@gmail.com Subject: Stokes I hope you remember me on the Cherokee Rogers and Pettitt information from some time back. I am getting emails from the Cherokeegene board, but tried to send the following a couple of days ago, and it appears it did not go through. Can you make the inquiry for me? Thanks! Fawn Dessy I am trying to help a friend locate his ancestors who are Everett and Settie Stokes who were Cherokee and apparently living in some place in OK during the period of the Dawes Rolls. He thought cousins had their CNO cards based on their descent from Everett and Settie, but I do not see these names in Vol II of Cherokee Roots. Is there somewhere else I should be looking?

I was on the phone with Familytreedna this morning. They are continuing the dna collection. I used them to begin with. I think one of the reasons that Ancestry probably quit doing the dna is, that I know a number of people that were confused about who was doing what. Because Ancestry .com owns the Family Tree Maker program, it was easy to assume that FTdna was also a part of their domain, but it isn't. "A nation of Sheep will beget a government of Wolves.: Edward R. Murrow On 6/6/2014 2:16 PM, Adiene Humble wrote: > Read last night that some test are stopped as of now. Don't remember but was only on ancestry site. Unfortunately not even sure I wasn't on a bogus site. Do I sound paranoid, I am. You do not understand what I went through and still do. Like logins and I'm really careful as I called and talked to ancestry. I had found I had two accounts I didn't make with no profile. > > Getting difficult telling the real thing from the fake > Adiene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:28 AM, "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: > > Maybe to solve the personal opinions > people can read this web page ( then the 50 comments) on the bottom. > http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2014/06/04/ancestry-com-focuses-on-core-offerings/ > not to mention, the data we used to get free is now being ( sold) on > Ancestry on top of the subscription. When you want a vitals or a census - > they changed how that works too. > Just check this link and see the problem is deeper to the people than a > simple change. > They never considered the people who use those resources. > the Core? > dropping the mt and Y dna? > There are other places out there, just waiting to be popular - as Ancestry > falls into the abyss/ > Comments on this topic are genealogy related and are open the next week. > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > > >> I've known for quite awhile that these 'subsidiaries' were databases they >> purchased over the years BUT also included under the main umbrella of >> Ancestry.com There was no reason to sub to genealogy.com if you have a >> ancestry sub. There was no use to sub to any of them if you had a full >> membership at ancestry. In all actuality what they are doing is putting >> everything possible under one umbrella when it comes to those type things. >> All the 'My Family" databases were included in the public trees on >> ancestry >> and can be accessed from there. >> >> As for the DNA portion. I'd venture to guess that the autosomal testing >> they are doing won't last much longer either. It just doesn't even make >> sense to test with them when so many millions more are testing at >> familytreedna.com The bigger the database the more chance one has for >> matching numbers. >> >> I had autosomal done at ftdna...it took awhile but was able to confirm two >> lineages that I had evidentiary data on previously. When one has over >> 1000 >> cousins listed to one degree or another it takes a whole lot of digging >> but >> can be done. >> >> They aren't removing anything....they're combining things under one >> umbrella. >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Great idea Adiene Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 4:12 PM, "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: If some one wants to make up a list if free sites and also the best of the DNA sites, or other links we could use on the Cherokee pages, let me know. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adiene Humble" <ahumble@consolidated.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > Use the library sources, Most were written BEFORE commercial sites > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:54 AM, "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > > If they are putting everything under one "umbrella" & then charging for it > on top of ancestry subscription they are risking losing a lot of people. > > Not everyone can afford to pay for a variety of things just to access one > site. I can't. There are smaller similar businesses out there that aren't > so greedy & money hungry (yet) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M > Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 8:28 AM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > > Maybe to solve the personal opinions > people can read this web page ( then the 50 comments) on the bottom. > http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2014/06/04/ancestry-com-focuses-on-core-o > fferings/ > not to mention, the data we used to get free is now being ( sold) on > Ancestry on top of the subscription. When you want a vitals or a census - > they changed how that works too. > Just check this link and see the problem is deeper to the people than a > simple change. > They never considered the people who use those resources. > the Core? > dropping the mt and Y dna? > There are other places out there, just waiting to be popular - as Ancestry > falls into the abyss/ Comments on this topic are genealogy related and are > open the next week. > Dan > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Read last night that some test are stopped as of now. Don't remember but was only on ancestry site. Unfortunately not even sure I wasn't on a bogus site. Do I sound paranoid, I am. You do not understand what I went through and still do. Like logins and I'm really careful as I called and talked to ancestry. I had found I had two accounts I didn't make with no profile. Getting difficult telling the real thing from the fake Adiene Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:28 AM, "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: Maybe to solve the personal opinions people can read this web page ( then the 50 comments) on the bottom. http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2014/06/04/ancestry-com-focuses-on-core-offerings/ not to mention, the data we used to get free is now being ( sold) on Ancestry on top of the subscription. When you want a vitals or a census - they changed how that works too. Just check this link and see the problem is deeper to the people than a simple change. They never considered the people who use those resources. the Core? dropping the mt and Y dna? There are other places out there, just waiting to be popular - as Ancestry falls into the abyss/ Comments on this topic are genealogy related and are open the next week. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > I've known for quite awhile that these 'subsidiaries' were databases they > purchased over the years BUT also included under the main umbrella of > Ancestry.com There was no reason to sub to genealogy.com if you have a > ancestry sub. There was no use to sub to any of them if you had a full > membership at ancestry. In all actuality what they are doing is putting > everything possible under one umbrella when it comes to those type things. > All the 'My Family" databases were included in the public trees on > ancestry > and can be accessed from there. > > As for the DNA portion. I'd venture to guess that the autosomal testing > they are doing won't last much longer either. It just doesn't even make > sense to test with them when so many millions more are testing at > familytreedna.com The bigger the database the more chance one has for > matching numbers. > > I had autosomal done at ftdna...it took awhile but was able to confirm two > lineages that I had evidentiary data on previously. When one has over > 1000 > cousins listed to one degree or another it takes a whole lot of digging > but > can be done. > > They aren't removing anything....they're combining things under one > umbrella. > > > Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Use the library sources, Most were written BEFORE commercial sites Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:54 AM, "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: If they are putting everything under one "umbrella" & then charging for it on top of ancestry subscription they are risking losing a lot of people. Not everyone can afford to pay for a variety of things just to access one site. I can't. There are smaller similar businesses out there that aren't so greedy & money hungry (yet) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Friday, June 6, 2014 8:28 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com Maybe to solve the personal opinions people can read this web page ( then the 50 comments) on the bottom. http://blogs.ancestry.com/ancestry/2014/06/04/ancestry-com-focuses-on-core-o fferings/ not to mention, the data we used to get free is now being ( sold) on Ancestry on top of the subscription. When you want a vitals or a census - they changed how that works too. Just check this link and see the problem is deeper to the people than a simple change. They never considered the people who use those resources. the Core? dropping the mt and Y dna? There are other places out there, just waiting to be popular - as Ancestry falls into the abyss/ Comments on this topic are genealogy related and are open the next week. Dan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On ancestry I had additions in their "story" line I KNEW was incorrect. I made a comment and forgot it. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:01 AM, "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: Because they can And they know that average person won't balk against the change they'll just pay the required fee & follow the crowd -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2014 7:41 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com I downloaded my family tree ged from Ancestry - I will get a different tree prg, maybe heritage, I have an account there too. Why are they messing up the system? Dan =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Agree. You can learn something even with someone you don't agree with Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:03 AM, "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> wrote: Yes, and I know of a few who just read mainly now and we loose their resources because some one else decided to do battle with them - even off list, this caused a loss on list. Several people have told me of problems with other members over the years. I can't say who, it is a trust - I don't save those messages so they can get into the wrong eyes. But I can say - we would have a far better list if people would only read, visit and save the ( words that do not need to be used) for silence. Every one is entitled to their own opinions in research. Even if it is to be proved a myth - that can be done with polite facts. No need for any other reactions. Then people won't just read - or start new lists to get away from hostile posts. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Changes at Ancestry.com > The mailing list's aren't busy just because of genealogy being supposedly > posted on FB, its because people run into brick walls, get > attacked/slammed, > etc. for researching their lines & "taboo" subjects. So they give up on > trying to break through their walls, they got hooked on FB & Twitter & > have > been distracted from genealogy or its not as "fun" as it use to be & > they've > found new hobbies. > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's also a place for hackers who take ownership of your computer. I know for a fact. There redirect as well to a site they've set up. I seldom visit Facebook but the one time in ages I was hacked. He even moved a copy of the conversation I'd put in a Word program and I suspect some sort of notification .dll . Word wouldn't respond. He was a Democratic computer whizz who'd worked in Washington DC behind scenes. His words not mine. His expertize was verified by someone who knew him. Her words to me "Be Careful". Besides sites are all about money. Who isn't except us researchers. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Karen <starknight51@yahoo.com> wrote: Did Facebook purchase ancestry.com then? Had read earlier that either they or Google was looking to buy. I've seen a real push on every page trying to get us to submit info to Facebook and other "social" pages. Facebook is not best place for genealogy. To much 'other' stuff going on there - in my case most friends, family, and acquaintences not interested much geneaolgy (maybe when they get older they will). I'm very disappointed in the direction ancestry.com appears to be going having always enjoyed them in the past - my peaceful haven & refuge away from the rest of the world & it's cares. It was a secure feeling like having a private 'club' seperated from the rest of the internet world, but now with all these "social" network links being added to every ancestry page & a push for us to be continually interact the outside world (these SOCIAL SITES) it makes me feel very unconfortable. We are a unique people (many older) in our love & deep interest in family who are no longer among the living. Many of our ancestors who have passed, we know little of if anything yet we will put many concentrated hours & much focus, deep study, and searching as we learn about them and build our trees. We need our own separate corner of the web like ancestry.com has always been in the past for these interests & pursuits rather than a social website like Facebook which is basically a free for all for the living & all about the LIVING where we research & study the DEAD ... big difference ... the workings of the two websites as 'one' do not co-mingle together well. On FaceBook too many distractions like pop up messages about other things etc. Yes, Facebook is nice in it's right place, like for me it's popping in to see what the kids & grand-kids are doing & seeing new pictures etc - love that. But we're kind of like a Professor with our deep family research & study, then to be thrown into Facebook would be like being thrown on to the basketball court. Kind of hard to explain but believe many of you know what I'm trying to say. ~ Karen On Friday, June 6, 2014 9:32 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece <bjreece@bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > The article Joy sent the link for tells what they are doing. Rootsweb isn't > going anywhere. BUT, IMO, and in my opinion only, I am going to predict > that if people don't get off facebook for genealogy they mail list on > rootsweb will be the next thing to go. Why does it matter? ARCHIVES! Can > you do a search on your surname and find 100 hits on it in facebook? The > mail lists are dying because they aren't being used. There is a facebook > list called rootsweb genealogists with circa 15,000 members and a bunch of > posts everyday. Consider how great it would be if this was happening on a > mail list with searchable archives. Facebook is a really stupid way to do > genealogy....and that's my rant for today. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Uh, yeah thats true, and people did the same thing with gas prices and let them get away with it. > > On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:01 AM, "Alli :\)" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: > > Because they can > And they know that average person won't balk against the change they'll > just > pay the required fee & follow the crowd >