Does anyone know more about the John LOVE listed among the Cherokee in the East in 1835? I am hoping to find the connection with-- My LOVE Cherokees were from NC but had moved into TN by then: William J. LOVE (b.NC 1798) "Loviry" (b.NC 1799) children: Eldest son (name unknown) (b.NC 1816) m."Lamonica" children: William (b.NC 1841) & Euphemia (b.NC 1846) Jane/June m. YOUNG James (b.TN 1823) m. "Namaida" Mary Mary (b.TN 1828) m.Jackson WATKINS William Thomas (b.TN 1829) m.Musadora McWILLIAMS in MO Thanks, Nancy

Osyia!, I am very Greatful for all the help and links that this site and the gracious people here share with all of us. The directions and communication is Wonderful. I didn't know who to say this too-- I know that I see Dan M 's name a lot and ten8csi a lot---I want to thank you guys and the other unseen hero's-here! Ya'll are Great! thanks Purplefroggigger

Yes, and General Joseph MARTIN. PLW Is Nancy the dtr of of Betsy? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Preston Washington To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 1:15 AM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nannie Martin's/Correction Again, excuse me for being so hasty. Preston Nancy MARTIN'S dau (Michael HILDERBRAND) Mary M. (#2), b. 4 Jun 1829, Cherokee Nation East, m. Isaac MAYFIELD. She was the granddaughter of John HILDERBRAND. SR. and Anna Barbara EAKER http://www.nancyward.com/b13227.htm#P13227 Preston .......... She also was Cherokee and the daughter of Nannie Hildebrand and Granddaughter of John Hildebrand SR and Susannah WomanCatcher, a Full Blood Cherokee. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi: Does anyone have Case in their family lines? Carl >From: jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Benge >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:56:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Rolls for Benge's: http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bengerls.htm > >jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote:Benge history: > >http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bobbenge.htm > >jay earl wrote:Osiyo Karen, > >Benge is in my Ross line through marriage too. Andrew Ross, b. 19 Dec 1798, >at Chickamaugee, near Lookout Mountain, Cherokee Nation East, now >Chattanooga TN, second marriage was to Susan LOWERY and Lucy Benge, 24 June >1819, died 29 Nov 1840 at Fairfield, Flint District, Cherokee Nation IT now >Stilwell, Adair, OK at age 41. Buried at fairfield Mission Cemetary, >Stilwell, Adair, OK. He was the proposer and one of the signers of the >Treaty of 29 Dec 1835. They had 11 children. > >Also, Mary NAVE married Anderson Pierce Lowery, son of George Lowery and >Lucy BENGE. > >As you know, Benge is also a familiar historical name pertaining to "The >Bench". > >Karen Prater wrote: >thank you for your answer Jay Earl > > >George Charles Jr Lowery 1770 to October 20, 1852 Tahlequah Districk, >Oklahoma married >Lucy Benge. I come thru there daughter Lydia Lowry who married Milo Hoyt >then thru Esther Susan Hoyt who married James Jr Ward and then Henry J >Ward. any help you could give me would be great. I do have some Ross >information in my tree program. would love to trade information or just >have >a genealogy friend intrested in same name group. > >Surnames, Ward, Hoyt, Lowry and many others > > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > >From: jay earl > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest >book > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Karen, > > > >There are three George Lowery's in the book. What was the one you are > >looking for approximate birth and death year? The name Lowery runs in my > >Ross line through marriage. > > > >There is a Milo Hoyt listed on pages 121, 258 and 503. Lordy, are those > >historical names or what? > > > >Pg 121: Through the Ghigau line: Mary Ann WATIE was born circa 1814 at > >Cherokee Nation East. She died May 1844 probably at Cherokee Nation IT, >now > >OK. Children of John Walker CANDY and Mary Ann Watie: > > > >i. Harriette Boudinot Candy (m. Hugh Montgomery MCPHERSON, son of John > >McPherson and Susan MCCOY) > > > >ii. Susan Candy (m. Henry Lee HILL) > > > >iii. Elizabeth CANDY; born 30 January 1838 probablyat Cherokee Nation, >IT, > >now OK, married Hinman Booth HOYT, son of Milo Hoyt and Lydia LOWERY, c. > >1860, d. 18 Feb 1862 at age 24. Eastern Cherokee Application #2858. > > > >Hinman Booth HOYT was born on 4 Jan 1828 at Cherokee Nation East. He died > >18 Jan 1963. > > > >iv. Sarah Jane Candy 1839-1846 > > > >I did not list details to any children except iii, but they are noted in > >the book. > > > >Cherokee Blessings, > >Jerri > > > >Karen Prater wrote: > >If it is not to much trouble and you have the time > >would you see if there is a Milo Hoyt or George Lowry listed in the book > > > > > > > >Thank you very much > > > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > > > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > > > > > >From: jay earl > > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest > >book > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >No Geurin's listed. There are three Musgrove's: Elizabeth Henrietta, > > >Francis Marion and William ALexander. > > > > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com wrote:I have a question for the person doing >the > > >look-ups? > > >Did you happen to see any Geurin? first name Archibald > > >or any Musgrove? > > > > > >I have a Rev.Musgrove who married a Sallie Fowler they had at least two > > >children > > >1-born in 1830 Sarah Sallie Selemia Musgrove > > >2- born in 1832 Martha Marie Musgrove (I was told that (She was a >"Wolfe > > >"descendant) > > > > > >I do not know much about this. > > > > > >Thank you for Sharing...I am not sure who to ask. > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please >visit > > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >You can also find what you need search the archives > > >or to get off this list via web site below > > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please >visit > > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > >or to get off this list via web site below > > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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That's not true, they got that wrong: it was the son of John Ross, Allen Ross, who distracted John Ross on the day of the murders. That is chronicled in an article in the Chronicles of Oklahoma sometimes about 1930's. It was a very good article. According to the article, Allen and John were walking in the back yard, when a knife was thrown over the fence. Neither spoke. The knife, per the article, was used in the slaying of Elias Boudinot, not far from the Ross mansion. I think Oklahoma State University has the Chronicles of Oklahoma online; somebody does, at least.

That is an awsome site thank you so much for sharing it Ill spend hours reading it, thank you so much Karen Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Benge >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:41:55 -0700 (PDT) > >Benge history: > >http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bobbenge.htm > >jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote:Osiyo Karen, > >Benge is in my Ross line through marriage too. Andrew Ross, b. 19 Dec 1798, >at Chickamaugee, near Lookout Mountain, Cherokee Nation East, now >Chattanooga TN, second marriage was to Susan LOWERY and Lucy Benge, 24 June >1819, died 29 Nov 1840 at Fairfield, Flint District, Cherokee Nation IT now >Stilwell, Adair, OK at age 41. Buried at fairfield Mission Cemetary, >Stilwell, Adair, OK. He was the proposer and one of the signers of the >Treaty of 29 Dec 1835. They had 11 children. > >Also, Mary NAVE married Anderson Pierce Lowery, son of George Lowery and >Lucy BENGE. > >As you know, Benge is also a familiar historical name pertaining to "The >Bench". > >Karen Prater wrote: >thank you for your answer Jay Earl > > >George Charles Jr Lowery 1770 to October 20, 1852 Tahlequah Districk, >Oklahoma married >Lucy Benge. I come thru there daughter Lydia Lowry who married Milo Hoyt >then thru Esther Susan Hoyt who married James Jr Ward and then Henry J >Ward. any help you could give me would be great. I do have some Ross >information in my tree program. would love to trade information or just >have >a genealogy friend intrested in same name group. > >Surnames, Ward, Hoyt, Lowry and many others > > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > >From: jay earl > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest >book > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Hi Karen, > > > >There are three George Lowery's in the book. What was the one you are > >looking for approximate birth and death year? The name Lowery runs in my > >Ross line through marriage. > > > >There is a Milo Hoyt listed on pages 121, 258 and 503. Lordy, are those > >historical names or what? > > > >Pg 121: Through the Ghigau line: Mary Ann WATIE was born circa 1814 at > >Cherokee Nation East. She died May 1844 probably at Cherokee Nation IT, >now > >OK. Children of John Walker CANDY and Mary Ann Watie: > > > >i. Harriette Boudinot Candy (m. Hugh Montgomery MCPHERSON, son of John > >McPherson and Susan MCCOY) > > > >ii. Susan Candy (m. Henry Lee HILL) > > > >iii. Elizabeth CANDY; born 30 January 1838 probablyat Cherokee Nation, >IT, > >now OK, married Hinman Booth HOYT, son of Milo Hoyt and Lydia LOWERY, c. > >1860, d. 18 Feb 1862 at age 24. Eastern Cherokee Application #2858. > > > >Hinman Booth HOYT was born on 4 Jan 1828 at Cherokee Nation East. He died > >18 Jan 1963. > > > >iv. Sarah Jane Candy 1839-1846 > > > >I did not list details to any children except iii, but they are noted in > >the book. > > > >Cherokee Blessings, > >Jerri > > > >Karen Prater wrote: > >If it is not to much trouble and you have the time > >would you see if there is a Milo Hoyt or George Lowry listed in the book > > > > > > > >Thank you very much > > > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > > > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > > > > > >From: jay earl > > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest > >book > > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >No Geurin's listed. There are three Musgrove's: Elizabeth Henrietta, > > >Francis Marion and William ALexander. > > > > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com wrote:I have a question for the person doing >the > > >look-ups? > > >Did you happen to see any Geurin? first name Archibald > > >or any Musgrove? > > > > > >I have a Rev.Musgrove who married a Sallie Fowler they had at least two > > >children > > >1-born in 1830 Sarah Sallie Selemia Musgrove > > >2- born in 1832 Martha Marie Musgrove (I was told that (She was a >"Wolfe > > >"descendant) > > > > > >I do not know much about this. > > > > > >Thank you for Sharing...I am not sure who to ask. > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please >visit > > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > >You can also find what you need search the archives > > >or to get off this list via web site below > > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please >visit > > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > >or to get off this list via web site below > > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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While we are sending these links which is ok. Some of the new people might not know I have a web pages of over 2000 links listed link is in all the messages on the bottom I might find some new ones to post there from your posts. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Was your Grandmother a Cherokee Princess? > http://www.cherokeeshouston.org/so_your_grandmother_was_a_cherok.htm > > =======================>

Dunno could be. Seems my wife is always telling me to get off her case <G> Think there might be a connection here we might be related <grinZ> Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "carl wirth" <carl31wirth@hotmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Benge > Hi: > > Does anyone have Case in their family lines? > > Carl

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http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v012/v012p019.html SWatie@aol.com wrote:That's not true, they got that wrong: it was the son of John Ross, Allen Ross, who distracted John Ross on the day of the murders. That is chronicled in an article in the Chronicles of Oklahoma sometimes about 1930's. It was a very good article. According to the article, Allen and John were walking in the back yard, when a knife was thrown over the fence. Neither spoke. The knife, per the article, was used in the slaying of Elias Boudinot, not far from the Ross mansion. I think Oklahoma State University has the Chronicles of Oklahoma online; somebody does, at least. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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Rolls for Benge's: http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bengerls.htm jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote:Benge history: http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bobbenge.htm jay earl wrote:Osiyo Karen, Benge is in my Ross line through marriage too. Andrew Ross, b. 19 Dec 1798, at Chickamaugee, near Lookout Mountain, Cherokee Nation East, now Chattanooga TN, second marriage was to Susan LOWERY and Lucy Benge, 24 June 1819, died 29 Nov 1840 at Fairfield, Flint District, Cherokee Nation IT now Stilwell, Adair, OK at age 41. Buried at fairfield Mission Cemetary, Stilwell, Adair, OK. He was the proposer and one of the signers of the Treaty of 29 Dec 1835. They had 11 children. Also, Mary NAVE married Anderson Pierce Lowery, son of George Lowery and Lucy BENGE. As you know, Benge is also a familiar historical name pertaining to "The Bench". Karen Prater wrote: thank you for your answer Jay Earl George Charles Jr Lowery 1770 to October 20, 1852 Tahlequah Districk, Oklahoma married Lucy Benge. I come thru there daughter Lydia Lowry who married Milo Hoyt then thru Esther Susan Hoyt who married James Jr Ward and then Henry J Ward. any help you could give me would be great. I do have some Ross information in my tree program. would love to trade information or just have a genealogy friend intrested in same name group. Surnames, Ward, Hoyt, Lowry and many others Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: jay earl >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest book >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Karen, > >There are three George Lowery's in the book. What was the one you are >looking for approximate birth and death year? The name Lowery runs in my >Ross line through marriage. > >There is a Milo Hoyt listed on pages 121, 258 and 503. Lordy, are those >historical names or what? > >Pg 121: Through the Ghigau line: Mary Ann WATIE was born circa 1814 at >Cherokee Nation East. She died May 1844 probably at Cherokee Nation IT, now >OK. Children of John Walker CANDY and Mary Ann Watie: > >i. Harriette Boudinot Candy (m. Hugh Montgomery MCPHERSON, son of John >McPherson and Susan MCCOY) > >ii. Susan Candy (m. Henry Lee HILL) > >iii. Elizabeth CANDY; born 30 January 1838 probablyat Cherokee Nation, IT, >now OK, married Hinman Booth HOYT, son of Milo Hoyt and Lydia LOWERY, c. >1860, d. 18 Feb 1862 at age 24. Eastern Cherokee Application #2858. > >Hinman Booth HOYT was born on 4 Jan 1828 at Cherokee Nation East. He died >18 Jan 1963. > >iv. Sarah Jane Candy 1839-1846 > >I did not list details to any children except iii, but they are noted in >the book. > >Cherokee Blessings, >Jerri > >Karen Prater wrote: >If it is not to much trouble and you have the time >would you see if there is a Milo Hoyt or George Lowry listed in the book > > > >Thank you very much > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > >From: jay earl > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest >book > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > >No Geurin's listed. There are three Musgrove's: Elizabeth Henrietta, > >Francis Marion and William ALexander. > > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com wrote:I have a question for the person doing the > >look-ups? > >Did you happen to see any Geurin? first name Archibald > >or any Musgrove? > > > >I have a Rev.Musgrove who married a Sallie Fowler they had at least two > >children > >1-born in 1830 Sarah Sallie Selemia Musgrove > >2- born in 1832 Martha Marie Musgrove (I was told that (She was a "Wolfe > >"descendant) > > > >I do not know much about this. > > > >Thank you for Sharing...I am not sure who to ask. > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2/CalhounLedger.htm jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote:For Lewis Ross, brother of Chief John Ross and Andrew Ross, researchers: http://www.tennesseeoverhill.com/lewis_ross.htm "Joyce G. Reece" wrote: Do you know much about Lewis Ross...John's brother? I have a listing of his store ledger from Calhoun TN on the McMinn Web site. www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 And How much of a connection have you found between Obediah Benge...John's father or grandfather and the Love's, Lawson's and Sheltons? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: jay earl To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Benge Probably should have mentioned Andrew Ross was the brother of my GGG-Grandmother, Maria Ross and Chief John Ross (with other siblings), children of Daniel ROSS and Mary "Mollie" McDONALD. PS Karen: Loved your website! jay earl wrote: Benge history: http://www.users.mis.net/~chesnut/pages/bobbenge.htm jay earl wrote:Osiyo Karen, Benge is in my Ross line through marriage too. Andrew Ross, b. 19 Dec 1798, at Chickamaugee, near Lookout Mountain, Cherokee Nation East, now Chattanooga TN, second marriage was to Susan LOWERY and Lucy Benge, 24 June 1819, died 29 Nov 1840 at Fairfield, Flint District, Cherokee Nation IT now Stilwell, Adair, OK at age 41. Buried at fairfield Mission Cemetary, Stilwell, Adair, OK. He was the proposer and one of the signers of the Treaty of 29 Dec 1835. They had 11 children. Also, Mary NAVE married Anderson Pierce Lowery, son of George Lowery and Lucy BENGE. As you know, Benge is also a familiar historical name pertaining to "The Bench". Karen Prater wrote: thank you for your answer Jay Earl George Charles Jr Lowery 1770 to October 20, 1852 Tahlequah Districk, Oklahoma married Lucy Benge. I come thru there daughter Lydia Lowry who married Milo Hoyt then thru Esther Susan Hoyt who married James Jr Ward and then Henry J Ward. any help you could give me would be great. I do have some Ross information in my tree program. would love to trade information or just have a genealogy friend intrested in same name group. Surnames, Ward, Hoyt, Lowry and many others Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: jay earl >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest book >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:24:21 -0700 (PDT) > >Hi Karen, > >There are three George Lowery's in the book. What was the one you are >looking for approximate birth and death year? The name Lowery runs in my >Ross line through marriage. > >There is a Milo Hoyt listed on pages 121, 258 and 503. Lordy, are those >historical names or what? > >Pg 121: Through the Ghigau line: Mary Ann WATIE was born circa 1814 at >Cherokee Nation East. She died May 1844 probably at Cherokee Nation IT, now >OK. Children of John Walker CANDY and Mary Ann Watie: > >i. Harriette Boudinot Candy (m. Hugh Montgomery MCPHERSON, son of John >McPherson and Susan MCCOY) > >ii. Susan Candy (m. Henry Lee HILL) > >iii. Elizabeth CANDY; born 30 January 1838 probablyat Cherokee Nation, IT, >now OK, married Hinman Booth HOYT, son of Milo Hoyt and Lydia LOWERY, c. >1860, d. 18 Feb 1862 at age 24. Eastern Cherokee Application #2858. > >Hinman Booth HOYT was born on 4 Jan 1828 at Cherokee Nation East. He died >18 Jan 1963. > >iv. Sarah Jane Candy 1839-1846 > >I did not list details to any children except iii, but they are noted in >the book. > >Cherokee Blessings, >Jerri > >Karen Prater wrote: >If it is not to much trouble and you have the time >would you see if there is a Milo Hoyt or George Lowry listed in the book > > > >Thank you very much > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > >From: jay earl > >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: David Keith Hampton's latest >book > >Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) > > > >No Geurin's listed. There are three Musgrove's: Elizabeth Henrietta, > >Francis Marion and William ALexander. > > > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com wrote:I have a question for the person doing the > >look-ups? > >Did you happen to see any Geurin? first name Archibald > >or any Musgrove? > > > >I have a Rev.Musgrove who married a Sallie Fowler they had at least two > >children > >1-born in 1830 Sarah Sallie Selemia Musgrove > >2- born in 1832 Martha Marie Musgrove (I was told that (She was a "Wolfe > >"descendant) > > > >I do not know much about this. > > > >Thank you for Sharing...I am not sure who to ask. > >Purplefroggigger@aol.com > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > >You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > >This list is for Genealogy related conversations > >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > >Please Good manors and no flaming others > >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > >or to get off this list via web site below > >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote:Addendum: Violence was not long in coming. On June 22, Major Ridge, John Ridge, and Elias Boudinot were murdered. Stand Watie, Boudinot's brother and Major Ridge's nephew, was the only leader of the Treaty Party to escape. The assassinations effectively silenced the Treaty Party, but the hatreds endured. His own nephew had distracted him while the assassinations occured. Chief Ross later pardoned the assassinators. There is no mention that Andrew Ross was murdered in any of my records or sources. If you discover otherwise, please inform me. jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote: Pg 141, The Cherokee Nation History by Robert J. Conley (Published 2005): Georgia continued to harrass the Cherokees, and John Ross led a delegation to Washington DC to continue to protest the situation. [President] Jackson offered the Cherokee Nation, through Ross, three million dollars to sell out and move, and Ross refused. After that, hohn Ridge turned vehemently against Ross with personal attacks. Then the leaders of the pro-treaty faction, now known more formally as the Treaty Party, began secret negotiations with both the state of Georgia and the U.S. regarding removal. Governor Lumpkin of Georgia ordered that their homes be protected. At the same time, Chief Ross' home was taken over by lottery winners and he was forced to move to Tennessee for safety. Andrew Ross, John Walker Jr and other members of the treaty Party tried to negotiate a removal in 1834, but the Cherokee Council rejected it. Feelings were high and Walker was killed for introducing "disunity into the Nation". Andrew Jackson said that Chief Ross and the Cherokee Council would be held responsible of all pro-treaty Cherokees. Treaty party delegations were fawned over in Washington, while official Cherokee Nation delegations were ignored and treated rudely. At last, on Deember 29, 1835, following several failed attempts at pushing through a removal treaty, US government negotiations met with "not more than 300 Cherokees, including women and children" at New Echota. John Ross was in Washington, and the majority of Cherokees refused to attend the meeting. Out of three hundred or so gathered there, only about 100 were voters. A committee of 20 was appointed to negotiate. There, headed by Major Ridge, John Ridge, Elias Boudinot, Andrew Ross, James Starr, Stand Watie, James Rogers, and others, the Treaty Party signed the Treaty of New Echota, a treaty of total removal. None of these men had been authorized by the governement or the people of the Cherokee Nation to sign a treaty. The entire procedure was illegal, but it was what the US government wanted, and it was accepted by the US Congress as legal and binding on the entire Cherokee Nation. The price for all of the Cherokee lands was five million dollars. ...The Treaty was signed by twenty members of the Treaty Party, and it was reported that Major Ridge, who had himself helped execute Doublehead for the same offense twenty-seven years earlier, as he put his own mark on the document said "I feel as have just signed my own death warrant." His words would prove to be prophetic. SWatie@aol.com wrote: I guess I'm confused. I'm talking about Andrew Ross, the Supreme Court Justice born about 1798 who died about 1840 and buried in Fairfield Mission Cemetery around Stilwell, OK. This Andrew Ross was the younger brother of Principal Chief John Ross and his brother Lewis Ross. When he died in 1840, there's no way he could have applied for a Dawes or Guion Miller number in the early 1900's. This Andrew Ross was actually an Old Settler, in that he moved out west prior to the Treaty of New Echota, which he did go back & sign. He was the instigator of that treaty, too. I'm interested in how he was murdered and the events surrounding his death. Thanks, Donna Byas --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.

SWatie@aol.com wrote:If it's Eastern Cherokee of about 1907 or 1908 or so, it' s probably Guion Miller, which was a cash payment to CWY resulting from a successful court case against the US pressed by one of Elias Boudinot's sons (I'm thinking it was Frank Boudinot) in which they sued for moneys they said were never paid after CWY removals. Moneys weren't paid because a) US records, Ross records and Conductors records did NOT agree. Ross's were significantly higher numbers. The US, due to his actions and reports from the Treaty Party, felt that Ross had bumped up the numbers. That's one reason why the myth that 4,000 CWY died along the Trail of Tears got started, due to Ross's numbers....and because a missionary wrote that "there may be as many as 4,000 deaths before this is finished"....it was never a fact. Historians today, who have gone over records and reports and counted believe there were significantly fewer. One man believes there were about 1,000 deaths. However, I don't think he took into account the many deaths at the death camps--which were called Forts by the US but were really cattle stockades. Most of the deaths occurred in the death camps---people refusing to eat (in protest), no sanitation which caused much sickness leading to deaths, hottest and dryest summer followed by the worst winter , etc.......other historians think there were about 2,000 deaths, including the death camps. Then, there is Russell Thornton who throws in the loss of population due to the deaths of these people and the children they could have produced, etc.....and calculates a much larger figure....8,000 to 16,000 or so. There was a TREMENDOUS reduction in the birth rate of the CWY, after the TOT, not to mention the death due to warfare between the Ross and Ridge parties through 1846...and the people who moved away to save themselves from the crossfire.All due, probably, to the yet undiscovered malady of post traumatic stress. If you come across info on the murder of Andrew Ross, signer of the Treaty of NEw Echota, I'd like to hear it, if it's not too much trouble. Thanks, Donna --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

SWatie@aol.com wrote:Yes, it's that Andrew Ross (who signed the Treaty of New Echota) I was asking about. I hadn't read the Conley book, yet. He's loose with the facts. Stand Watie and John Ridge were in DC with the Ross delegation when the Treaty was signed in Dec. 1835. Only on March 1, 1836, at the request of a 2nd Committee of 20 who went to DC to oversee the completion of the treaty, did John Ridge & Stand Watie sign. They were asked because they were indeed leaders. It was no surprise that John Ross was treated rudely; he had come to the brink time and time again to sign a treaty. He would not because he knew people would die for signing it. He also wanted payment for his reservation of 640 acres or so he received for signing away tribal land in 1819---so did Edward & Samuel Gunter.So did others. In fact, it doesn't say that Schermerhorn declared that he would sign a treaty in CWY Nation; not Washington, DC because the US grew tired of paying Ross delegations expenses when they would not negotiate in good faith. My husband spoke to Conley years ago when he started this effort. Conley indicated he would not be disfavorable to John Ross....so we have yet another partial CWY history. Thanks, Donna --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page