Does anyone have ties to Job Martin who was in VA in the 1700's? If so, I have information on this line.

Can anyone tell me the name of a reputable company that is doing testing for the Native American DNA markers? I want to have my dad tested. He has a proven Powhatan line, and physical characteristics that are clearly Native American, so I'm curious enough to know how his results might turn out, to pay the cost of the test.

Go to this link for ntive american dna testing. http://www.comanchelodge.com/native-american-dna-test.html

Try: http://appalachiansummit.tripod.com/chapt5.htm Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant > Sorry but that site has nothing on it about Ludovic Grant that I can see. > Glee > >> Susan & Glee >> >> I'm gonna assume that both of you have seen the journal of Ludovic at the >> www.appalachiansummit.tripod.com site

Sorry Glee, maybe it was the Grant Expedition I was thinking of....CRS kicked it I reckon. That is in the Journal of Cherokee Studies and other places. I'll try to get them for you if needed. Joyce Gaston Reece, Director Etowah Senior Center "doing our part to help you grow in your golden years" ----- Original Message ----- From: Glee Krapf To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant Sorry but that site has nothing on it about Ludovic Grant that I can see. Glee > Susan & Glee > > I'm gonna assume that both of you have seen the journal of Ludovic at the > www.appalachiansummit.tripod.com site > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Sorry but that site has nothing on it about Ludovic Grant that I can see. Glee > Susan & Glee > > I'm gonna assume that both of you have seen the journal of Ludovic at the > www.appalachiansummit.tripod.com site >

Hi Barbara, I am interested in reading the Cherokee book online by Jim Hicks, could you send me the email address where I can read this. Thank you, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: <EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant > Have you'all read the Jim Hicks cherokee book. It's on line. Good size piece > on Ludvic Grant. > > Barbara Lattimore > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Susan & Glee I'm gonna assume that both of you have seen the journal of Ludovic at the www.appalachiansummit.tripod.com site Not genealogical data but very interesting reading and gives you a few dates to work with. I checked at Ancestry in the British/Irish/Scottish section and didn't find anything on him Joyce Gaston Reece, Director Etowah Senior Center "doing our part to help you grow in your golden years" ----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Reynolds To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant I didn't intend to open a can of worms the other night, but I have been doing some reading in a book by Archibald Kennedy Cassilis called: The rulers of Strathspey : a history of the lairds of Grant and earls of Seafield , Inverness: The Northern Counties Newspaper and Print. and Pub. Co., 1911, 235 pgs. This is a well-documented accounting of the Clan Grant's leadership. This book chronicles the Grant family in Scotland that is traditionally cited as that of the Scots trader Ludovic Grant, progenitor of the mixed blood Cherokee family of that name. As a rule, it is traditionally accepted that Ludovic was the "Clan Chief" of Clan Grant and, after capture at the Battle of Prestonpans in 1715 (this Jacobite uprising is called "The 15") lost his lands, was transported to the Colonies aboard the Susannah, landing at Charleston (does anyone know if this came from one of Starr's notes or Dobson?). It is further believed his cousins went to Boston and the Caribbean. I can buy the possibility of Jamaica or one of the other islands, but Boston doesn't sound quite right. I might be wrong, but it seems most of those transported to the Colonies went either to Virginia (which included the islands if I recall correctly), Maryland, Pennsylvania, a few points south. I haven't run across Boston. I've also seen at least one claim he was the 2nd Baronet, himself. However, while there are several Ludovics in the Strathspey lineage, none of them meet the profile for the Cherokee trader. I posted information on Ludovic Grant and Janet Brodie the other evening. This Ludovic was born about 1665 and was 8th Laird of Feruchie, 1st Laird of Grant (this is the first "official" use if the Grant designator). He had the potential to be the father or grandfather of Trader Ludovic. His son John had a son Ludovic born 1707, though, so this turned out to not be plausible. This second Ludovic would have been only 8 years old at the Battle of Prestonpans and his life, and death in 1773, are documented in Scotland. The most telling point on the Ludovics of this line is that they all lived and died in Scotland. The other important point is that the Grants of this line were staunch Royalists and fought against the Jacobites. The only conclusion I can draw is he did not come from this particular Clan Grant, which is that of the Clan Chief, but one of the branches of the clan. Just as a matter of interest, Sir Ludovic Grant, 8th of Feruchie, 1st of Grant was a major force behind standardization of tartan color and design by clan in the early 1700's and is credited as having the first official clan tartan. Most likely, Trader Ludovic came from Grant of Glenmoriston (some authorities list this as recognized as its own clan, but it is still a branch from the main clan) or of Dalvey. Glenmoriston traces its origin to one John Mor' Grant, the "natural" (had to look this one up. Leave it to the British to come up with an elegant way of saying illegitimate) son of John Grant, 2d Laird of Feruchie (John's father was Duncan, 1st of Feruchie) and reportedly a daughter of Baron Stewart of Kincardine. Glenmoriston was staunchly Jacobite. It was this branch that lost its lands in reprisal for the 15, but those lands returned to Grant control in 1733 under the Grants of Grant and Feruchie, not under Glenmoriston. John's younger brother, Patrick, was the progenitor of the Grants of Dalvey, later called Dunlugas in Banffshire, another possibility for Trader Ludovic as they were also Jacobite in their leanings. Neither of these two groups was very large at the time of the 15. There is one other possibility that needs to be explored, but I keep hitting a wall on it. One Walter Grant and his wife Margaret Leslie christened a son Lodovick at Boharm, Moray, Scotland in Nov 1862 (parish register, Boharm). I am looking into this, but I don't find Walter among the lineages above. Margaret Leslie was the daughter of a nobleman and I found one brief reference regarding their marriage in the Leslie family records. That book is several times longer than the Strathspey reference, so I haven't finished it yet. I believe this location was associated with the Grants of Glenmoriston, but can't find that in my notes at the moment. At any rate, this Ludovic is a good match for Trader Ludovic. It must also be noted that there were many people in the clan named Grant but not of the Laird's direct line. People often assumed the surname out of respect for the leader and added it to their own surnames. Ludovic could, of course, have been an illegitimate son of the laird, but these seem to have been acknowledged fairly well, so I hold my judgment on that score. It could also be one of those lovely, romantic tales with a grain of truth. Trader Ludovic could have been the son of a loyal retainer or distant kinsman who fought at his lord's bidding and embroidered that relationship when he go to this side of the ocean. Does anyone have this book or CD to check and see exactly what it says and which other Grants were transported to where after the 15 ? "Directory of Scots Banished to the American Plantations, 1650-1775", by David Dobson, Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, 1983 Happy time travels! Susan ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Have you'all read the Jim Hicks cherokee book. It's on line. Good size piece on Ludvic Grant. Barbara Lattimore

I have the Dobson book. He is listed on pg 66 It says Jacobite captured at Preston transported from Liverpool to SC on the Susannah master Thomas Bromhall 7 MAy 1716. sources Calendar of Treasurey books and Colonial State papers I suppose of SC. I agree with you. Do not believe all those lineages on who were his parents. Do not think that has been figured out yet. I think that is is very possible he came from one of the lesser branches. I used to belong to Clan Grant and they had no idea who were his parents. I prefeer the truth but like so many things on line that are not so it is hard to get people to believe the truth they want to cling to the old stories and lineages. Keep digging. you are doing a great job. Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js@cox.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant >I didn't intend to open a can of worms the other night, but I have been >doing some reading in a book by Archibald Kennedy Cassilis called: > The rulers of Strathspey : a history of the lairds of Grant and earls of > Seafield , Inverness: The Northern Counties Newspaper and Print. and Pub. > Co., 1911, 235 pgs. This is a well-documented accounting of the Clan > Grant's leadership. > > This book chronicles the Grant family in Scotland that is traditionally > cited as that of the Scots trader Ludovic Grant, progenitor of the mixed > blood Cherokee family of that name. > > As a rule, it is traditionally accepted that Ludovic was the "Clan Chief" > of Clan Grant and, after capture at the Battle of Prestonpans in 1715 > (this Jacobite uprising is called "The 15") lost his lands, was > transported to the Colonies aboard the Susannah, landing at Charleston > (does anyone know if this came from one of Starr's notes or Dobson?). It > is further believed his cousins went to Boston and the Caribbean. I can > buy the possibility of Jamaica or one of the other islands, but Boston > doesn't sound quite right. I might be wrong, but it seems most of those > transported to the Colonies went either to Virginia (which included the > islands if I recall correctly), Maryland, Pennsylvania, a few points > south. I haven't run across Boston. I've also seen at least one claim he > was the 2nd Baronet, himself. > > However, while there are several Ludovics in the Strathspey lineage, none > of them meet the profile for the Cherokee trader. I posted information on > Ludovic Grant and Janet Brodie the other evening. This Ludovic was born > about 1665 and was 8th Laird of Feruchie, 1st Laird of Grant (this is the > first "official" use if the Grant designator). He had the potential to be > the father or grandfather of Trader Ludovic. His son John had a son > Ludovic born 1707, though, so this turned out to not be plausible. This > second Ludovic would have been only 8 years old at the Battle of > Prestonpans and his life, and death in 1773, are documented in Scotland. > The most telling point on the Ludovics of this line is that they all lived > and died in Scotland. The other important point is that the Grants of > this line were staunch Royalists and fought against the Jacobites. The > only conclusion I can draw is he did not come from this particular Clan > Grant, which is that of the Clan Chief, but one of the branches of the > clan. Just as a matter of interest, Sir Ludovic Grant, 8th of Feruchie, > 1st of Grant was a major force behind standardization of tartan color and > design by clan in the early 1700's and is credited as having the first > official clan tartan. > > Most likely, Trader Ludovic came from Grant of Glenmoriston (some > authorities list this as recognized as its own clan, but it is still a > branch from the main clan) or of Dalvey. Glenmoriston traces its origin to > one John Mor' Grant, the "natural" (had to look this one up. Leave it to > the British to come up with an elegant way of saying illegitimate) son of > John Grant, 2d Laird of Feruchie (John's father was Duncan, 1st of > Feruchie) and reportedly a daughter of Baron Stewart of Kincardine. > Glenmoriston was staunchly Jacobite. It was this branch that lost its > lands in reprisal for the 15, but those lands returned to Grant control in > 1733 under the Grants of Grant and Feruchie, not under Glenmoriston. > > John's younger brother, Patrick, was the progenitor of the Grants of > Dalvey, later called Dunlugas in Banffshire, another possibility for > Trader Ludovic as they were also Jacobite in their leanings. > > Neither of these two groups was very large at the time of the 15. > > There is one other possibility that needs to be explored, but I keep > hitting a wall on it. One Walter Grant and his wife Margaret Leslie > christened a son Lodovick at Boharm, Moray, Scotland in Nov 1862 (parish > register, Boharm). I am looking into this, but I don't find Walter among > the lineages above. Margaret Leslie was the daughter of a nobleman and I > found one brief reference regarding their marriage in the Leslie family > records. That book is several times longer than the Strathspey reference, > so I haven't finished it yet. I believe this location was associated with > the Grants of Glenmoriston, but can't find that in my notes at the moment. > At any rate, this Ludovic is a good match for Trader Ludovic. > > It must also be noted that there were many people in the clan named Grant > but not of the Laird's direct line. People often assumed the surname out > of respect for the leader and added it to their own surnames. Ludovic > could, of course, have been an illegitimate son of the laird, but these > seem to have been acknowledged fairly well, so I hold my judgment on that > score. It could also be one of those lovely, romantic tales with a grain > of truth. Trader Ludovic could have been the son of a loyal retainer or > distant kinsman who fought at his lord's bidding and embroidered that > relationship when he go to this side of the ocean. > > Does anyone have this book or CD to check and see exactly what it says and > which other Grants were transported to where after the 15 ? > "Directory of Scots Banished to the American Plantations, 1650-1775", by > David Dobson, Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, 1983 > > Happy time travels! > Susan > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I didn't intend to open a can of worms the other night, but I have been doing some reading in a book by Archibald Kennedy Cassilis called: The rulers of Strathspey : a history of the lairds of Grant and earls of Seafield , Inverness: The Northern Counties Newspaper and Print. and Pub. Co., 1911, 235 pgs. This is a well-documented accounting of the Clan Grant's leadership. This book chronicles the Grant family in Scotland that is traditionally cited as that of the Scots trader Ludovic Grant, progenitor of the mixed blood Cherokee family of that name. As a rule, it is traditionally accepted that Ludovic was the "Clan Chief" of Clan Grant and, after capture at the Battle of Prestonpans in 1715 (this Jacobite uprising is called "The 15") lost his lands, was transported to the Colonies aboard the Susannah, landing at Charleston (does anyone know if this came from one of Starr's notes or Dobson?). It is further believed his cousins went to Boston and the Caribbean. I can buy the possibility of Jamaica or one of the other islands, but Boston doesn't sound quite right. I might be wrong, but it seems most of those transported to the Colonies went either to Virginia (which included the islands if I recall correctly), Maryland, Pennsylvania, a few points south. I haven't run across Boston. I've also seen at least one claim he was the 2nd Baronet, himself. However, while there are several Ludovics in the Strathspey lineage, none of them meet the profile for the Cherokee trader. I posted information on Ludovic Grant and Janet Brodie the other evening. This Ludovic was born about 1665 and was 8th Laird of Feruchie, 1st Laird of Grant (this is the first "official" use if the Grant designator). He had the potential to be the father or grandfather of Trader Ludovic. His son John had a son Ludovic born 1707, though, so this turned out to not be plausible. This second Ludovic would have been only 8 years old at the Battle of Prestonpans and his life, and death in 1773, are documented in Scotland. The most telling point on the Ludovics of this line is that they all lived and died in Scotland. The other important point is that the Grants of this line were staunch Royalists and fought against the Jacobites. The only conclusion I can draw is he did not come from this particular Clan Grant, which is that of the Clan Chief, but one of the branches of the clan. Just as a matter of interest, Sir Ludovic Grant, 8th of Feruchie, 1st of Grant was a major force behind standardization of tartan color and design by clan in the early 1700's and is credited as having the first official clan tartan. Most likely, Trader Ludovic came from Grant of Glenmoriston (some authorities list this as recognized as its own clan, but it is still a branch from the main clan) or of Dalvey. Glenmoriston traces its origin to one John Mor' Grant, the "natural" (had to look this one up. Leave it to the British to come up with an elegant way of saying illegitimate) son of John Grant, 2d Laird of Feruchie (John's father was Duncan, 1st of Feruchie) and reportedly a daughter of Baron Stewart of Kincardine. Glenmoriston was staunchly Jacobite. It was this branch that lost its lands in reprisal for the 15, but those lands returned to Grant control in 1733 under the Grants of Grant and Feruchie, not under Glenmoriston. John's younger brother, Patrick, was the progenitor of the Grants of Dalvey, later called Dunlugas in Banffshire, another possibility for Trader Ludovic as they were also Jacobite in their leanings. Neither of these two groups was very large at the time of the 15. There is one other possibility that needs to be explored, but I keep hitting a wall on it. One Walter Grant and his wife Margaret Leslie christened a son Lodovick at Boharm, Moray, Scotland in Nov 1862 (parish register, Boharm). I am looking into this, but I don't find Walter among the lineages above. Margaret Leslie was the daughter of a nobleman and I found one brief reference regarding their marriage in the Leslie family records. That book is several times longer than the Strathspey reference, so I haven't finished it yet. I believe this location was associated with the Grants of Glenmoriston, but can't find that in my notes at the moment. At any rate, this Ludovic is a good match for Trader Ludovic. It must also be noted that there were many people in the clan named Grant but not of the Laird's direct line. People often assumed the surname out of respect for the leader and added it to their own surnames. Ludovic could, of course, have been an illegitimate son of the laird, but these seem to have been acknowledged fairly well, so I hold my judgment on that score. It could also be one of those lovely, romantic tales with a grain of truth. Trader Ludovic could have been the son of a loyal retainer or distant kinsman who fought at his lord's bidding and embroidered that relationship when he go to this side of the ocean. Does anyone have this book or CD to check and see exactly what it says and which other Grants were transported to where after the 15 ? "Directory of Scots Banished to the American Plantations, 1650-1775", by David Dobson, Genealogical Publishing Co, Baltimore, 1983 Happy time travels! Susan

Glee We don't have proof positive but suspect that she was the sister of the elder Corn Tassel making her a sibling of those listed below. These are MY assumptions based on about 10 different resources but I do not swear to it being completely proof positive. MOYTOY Born circa 1635 Children: Nettle Carrier, Ammonscossittee, Daughter-Mother of Attakullakulla, Old Hop , Old Tassle aka Corn Tassle, Wurtuh, Eugihooti & others Joyce Gaston Reece Is it known who were the parents of Eughioote who married Ludovic Grant? I find a lot of different info floating floating around about her and her lineage. Is anything known for sure or is it all just spectulation? Glee

Hi there, I was going through the archives and came across this post to my question about a wife for George Wilson, JR. Between vacation and my 3 yr old grandson breaking his elbow in a fall, I must have missed it. I know that George Wilson, Sr was married to Ruth Springton ( sometimes known as Ruth Drumgoole) married sometime around 1800, but you have the date c.1845. Could this be a different Ruth Springston married to George Wilson JR? Or is it the date you have for George Jr's parents, Ruth and George W. Wilson SR? Hoping you can remember, since this is an old post. Thanks alot, patty From: jay earl < ten8csi@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] George Jr Wilson Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <42EC2CCD.7050508@cableone.net> Hey Patty, George Wilson married Ruth SPRINGSTON c. 1845.

Is it known who were the parents of Eughioote who married Ludovic Grant? I find a lot of different info floating floating around about her and her lineage. Is anything known for sure or is it all just spectulation? Glee

Hello, all! I was just cleaning out some old files and ran across this message from a couple of years ago. I don't know if I shared this information with you. I am not entirely sure this is the right Ludovic Grant's family, but it seems likely. This is the reference for the information below: 23) REGISTER OF THE PRIVY COUNCIL OF SCOTLAND Volumes for the years1661 - 1689 U.B.C. National Library of Scotland, Edinburgh > ---------- Original > Message ---------------------------------- > Dear Susan > > Ludvick Grant had a wife whose maiden name was > Brodie and reference to her is in bk. 23 vol. 10 pg. 404. > > Tudvick Grant's wife's maiden name was Kathrin > Donaldson and is found in the same reference as Ludvick. > > When there was no reference to the age I > assumed one based on the activity as a Covenanter. > > I hope this helps you. Just give a whistle if > I can help further. > > Isabelle > > > > From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js@cox.net> > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:48:36 -0500 > > >Greeting, Isabelle! My name is Susan Wood > >Reynolds. I am working on a project that covers two of my great passions - the Cherokee and the Scots. In particular, this trip around, I am interested in one Ludovic Grant who we know to have been a Scots trader to the Cherokee and who was the progenitor of a very large and influential mixed blood family. Information we have on him shows a date of birth about 1698 in Scotland, with christening 12 April 1702 in Irvine, Scotland. > > > >I ran a search on the surname Grant in the > >Covenanter Index and came up with a Lodvick Grant with a date of birth abt 1665 of Ilk, Scotland. Unfortunately, there was no reference on the entry. Is it possible to help me out with one? Our genealogy library here in Tulsa is wonderful and can get most anything in on inter-library loan and I would dearly love to look at it! I also noted there was an entry come up for a Todvick Grant also born abt 1665 in Kirktoun, Scotland. That one does have a reference for book 23. I suspect this is probably Ludovic for both of them, but perhaps the father of our Ludovic, unless the birth information we have is faulty. That is entirely possible!

HORSESHOE BEND CHEROKEE MUSTER Compiled by: Howard P. White 206 E. Hargrove Rd. Tuscaloosa, Al. 35401 Muster Roll of the field and Staff of a Regiment of Cherokees Commanded by Colo. Gideon Morgan in the division Commanded by Major General Cocke & Jackson in the Service of the United States against the Hostile Creeks. REGIMENTAL STAFF No. Name Rank Joined Discharged Names Present Remarks = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = 1 Gideon Morgan Colonel 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 Gideon Morgan Wounded 2 Path Killer Colonel 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 Path Killer Mustered 3 Richard Brown Colonel 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 By order Gen Jackson Richard Brown Wounded 27th March 1814 4 John Lowry Lt. Col.7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 John Lowry 5 John Walker Major 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 John Walker 6 James Brown Major 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 James Brown 7 Alexr. Sanders Major 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 Alexr. Sanders 8 The Ridge Major 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 The Ridge 9 John Ross Adjutant 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 John Ross 10 Alex Bird Grub Surgeon 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 11 James Martin Qtrmaster 7 Oct. 1813 11 Apr. 1814 James Martin Wounded 12 Lewis Ross Sgt.Maj. 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 Lewis Ross 13 William Barnes 2nd Sgt. 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 William Barns Wounded 14 James Cawsby Surgeon 27 Jan. 1814 11 Apr. 1814 James Cawsby KILLED @ HORSESHOE BEND 1 Woyekahkerkee ** ** Denotes Cherokees not listed on other muster rolls 2 Sanecarnnece (?)** 3 The Boot 4 Stephen NOTE: (A) There is one company missing from 5 Vaetrhee (?) ** the rolls. Capt. William Russell who 6 Necornmice (?) ** led the spies. 7 Thos. Proctor (B) Captain John Thompson missing from 8 The Mouse these rolls may have been a Lt. at Horseshoe 9 The Broom 10 The Squirrel 11 The Woman Killer 12 John Helterbrand 13 Wo,cha,kes,kee (?) ** 14 Tolsnah (?) ** 15 Cho-chahkah (?) ** 16 Tallalah ** 17 Noo,chow,wee ** 18 Woman Killer This is a exact extract of the archive records at Horseshoe Bend National Monument Museum with additional M-208 records. WOUNDED AT HORSESHOE BEND 1 Col Gideon Morgan Slight 2 Lt. Col. Kird (?) Brow_ **Slight 3 Qtr Master Martin Slight 4 Sgt.(?) Mjr.Barns Severly 2nd Sgt William Barns. 5 Sgt.Crying Bear Severly 6 Sgt. Wm.Brown Severly 7 Aaron Price Dangerously 8 John Smith Dangerously 9 Crawling Snake Dangerously 10 Stickaree (?) ** 11 Young Puppy Dangerously 12 Murk (?) Rat ** Slightly 13 Salekookee Slightly 14 Chutahnooletah ** Slightly 15 All Bones Slightly 16 Old Turkey Slightly 17 Chambers Step son 18 Wa,ye,kah,kes,kee ** Dangerously 19 Chu,wa,lookee ** Slightly 20 Ches,ta,chee, ** Slightly 21 Ya,we,oo,ya,kee ** Severly 22 Tobacco Juice ** Slightly 23 Speirs (?) ** Severly 24 Club Foot Slightly 25 Chenownece (?) ** Mortally 26 White man killer Severly 27 Black Prince Severly 28 The Leed (?) ** Slight 29 Teyonah ** Severly 30 Te,ka,se,na,kee ** Severly 31 Beaver Mortally 32 Tuckone (?) ** Severly 33 The Fool Mortally 34 The Blanket Slight 35 Edward Gunter Severly 36 Capt. David McNair Slight ** Denotes Cherokees not listed on other muster rolls. Tobacco Juice aka Whipperwill from Brasstown, N.C. is listed as one of many cherokees listed without a unit. He is from a village that supplied members of Captain Russels spies. That unit was Federalized and became General Jackson's bodyguards. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Never pass the email addys as you know...grin. That would not respect their privacy.. I always like to ask 1st. Fawn ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan M To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Chief William Potter Ross All links are free to pass on. Just for some folks, remember not to pass on the persons e-mail too <G> Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sleeping Fawn" <sleepingfawn@netzero.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Chief William Potter Ross > Do you mind if I pass on some of the links you have sent here? > Sleeping Fawn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jay earl > To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:17 AM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Chief William Potter Ross > > > http://digital.library.okstate.edu/Chronicles/v015/v015p021.html > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Dear Dan Thank you, for your comits on my site. Beading as you guessed is my passion, it also has paid the rent for five years now, I am far from an expert tho, I currently don't have any chokers neck or wrist but I do make them. If you have a picture of what your wanting or can describe it I would be happy to try, I do alot of custom work, that I wont picture on site because it was comissioned work. Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: "Dan M" <wb@wvi.com> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] family tree online now >Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:39:07 -0700 > >Very nice site!! > I loved the Angels in beads. >Just for any one who looks - beading is not easy, and the quality these >Ladies do is outstanding. > If you think they are too expensive, try it, I did. Ya a guy , I >tried >it because I could never get any one to make me a choker style wrist band, >that was many years ago, still don't have one. > Hand beading in the Culture and you know where it came from. >Nice work. > Something I would like to see some action on at CHEOKEE-L l;-))) >see it >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >==> >Dan M >======> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Karen Prater" <texas_celtic@hotmail.com> >To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:49 PM >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] family tree online now > > > > I dont think I ever would have got the genealogy up with out the >pointers >I > > got from you and others on the list. > > Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > > > > web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >=========================================>>> > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Very nice site!! I loved the Angels in beads. Just for any one who looks - beading is not easy, and the quality these Ladies do is outstanding. If you think they are too expensive, try it, I did. Ya a guy , I tried it because I could never get any one to make me a choker style wrist band, that was many years ago, still don't have one. Hand beading in the Culture and you know where it came from. Nice work. Something I would like to see some action on at CHEOKEE-L l;-))) see it Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net ==> Dan M ======> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Prater" <texas_celtic@hotmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] family tree online now > I dont think I ever would have got the genealogy up with out the pointers I > got from you and others on the list. > Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > > web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net =========================================>>>

Thanks Judy ;-) The relentless worker <G> Do you ever sleep ? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy White" <judy@genealogysurnames.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Guion Miller Roll and More > New databases at AccessGenealogy \