In this material I see the following: "Not that the Cherokee were reading the name Gouedy, but Robert Gouedy lived among them for 40 or 50 years and surely had many children but no Cherokee "Gouedy" families are known." According to Robert L. Meriwether's, THE EXPANSION OF SOUTH CAROLINA 1729-1765, 132. The Cherokee trade brought within reach of the Saluda settlers what was probably the largest store above the fall line, and made Robert Goudey the most important man, next to Francis, in the valley. Goudey first appears in the Cherokee trade about 1747, and was actively engaged in it for several years. In 1751 he came from the upper Cherokees with a hundred horse loads of skins. But two years after Herman Geiger's death he had a store at Ninety Six and was thereafter merchant rather than trader, carrying on enterprises larger, perhaps, than those of any other Indian merchant save Patrick Brown himself. 41. He sent out one trader with goods worth three thousand pounds of skins, and in 1758 got judgment against Cornelius Daugherty for fifteen hundred pounds sterling. He had already the year before gone into the Cherokee country with two constables and six men and carried away four slaves from Daugherty in the night. When he died in 1775 or 1776 there were about four hundred persons in debt to him; some of the accounts, however, were of men dead fifteen years. By his will he left his property to his wife, son and daughter, but gave to his three Indian daughters a small sum of money each. 42 41. JC, July 18, 1748 (letter of Ludovick Grant), June 5, 1751, July 6, 1753 (statement of Elliott). An impressive sketch of a house "the forest, belonging to Mr. Gowdie" appears on the plat of the Simpson-Murray tract (above, p.127, n.25) on the east bank of the Saluda and nearly opposite the upper corner of the tract. Note "the forest" of P, V, 411, and "Windsor Forest" of JC, June 7, 1751. 42 JC, June 5, 1751; Indian Books, V, 44, VI, 105-109 (letters of Grant and Demere); Court Records, Common Pleas, Feb. 1758 (Goudey vs. Cornelius Docharty); Wills, 1774-1779, pp.303-304; Inventories, 1774-1785, 195-208. There are additional entries for Robert Goudey in this book. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:22 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant >A summary of Ludovic > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2/grant.htm

A summary of Ludovic http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2/grant.htm

Susan Mattingly You subscribed to this list using an address that is listed on the tag lines of every email you get from this list. You will unsubscribe from it using the same address Cherokeegene-L-request@rootsweb.com You might want to remember that every rootsweb list you are on has the same basis subscribe/unsubscribe method. If you will try to recall that one fact you won't have to hunt for the info in the future. Joyce Gaston Reece

Please move the DNA to the DNA list -- thanks CHEROKEE-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com or get moderated ? Dan M

If you read all the message = on the bottom is this section we call a tag line, or list signature files, in it are links like this --- You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html ---- go to the website and you will find all the help you should need to get off the list. Posting to the list owner also listed there helps rather than to the list. Thanks Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan mattingly" <ravenblue3212001@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant > > please stop sending me these e-mails--I can not find a unsubscribe site--so please stop sending me these!!!! > Thank you very much, > Sincerely, > Susan > Susan Reynolds <s3js@cox.net> wrote: > It's there at that address. Did you make sure to > get all of it from the second line? > > Try it from here and click on Cherokee Lineages > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ > > Blessings, > Susan > > ======================================

I don't know why you can't get into it. I was in it from the link I sent. I also had trouble getting into it until this link got sent through anothers mail to a site. Here is the entire mail Subj: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] HARRIS/Jim Hick's Wonderful Site Date: 7/27/05 11:18:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: ten8csi@yahoo.com (jay earl) Reply-to: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com There are 34 Harris' in Keith Hampton's book. There is a Thomas Jackson Harris, but no Thomas Harris. You may want to check one of my favorite genealogy sites. I see there are many Harris'. Good luck! http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/bo okindex.html General advice: Please check this very extensive site for your families. They are listed in alphabetical order. All you have to do is click on the appropriate report to view a lineage. Happy hunting! J. CHRIS BOYETTE <kookie81143@verizon.net> wrote: I have been attempting to research the ancestors of three siblings. They came from the Carolina area to Georgia in about 1800. They are THOMPSON HARRIS b. abt 1754, his younger brother, HAMPTON HARRIS, and their sister, FRANCIS HARRIS. I have read on the net that there are a large number of Harris' among the Cherokee. Does anyone out there have any information on this family? Any Harris family research in this area? Thompson Harris is my gg grandfather. Thank You in advance for any help. Christine Harris Boyette Barbara Lattimore

MILLER APP.# 23790 Andrew Lynch, Clark, Martin, Kelly, Whitmere, Battles, Smith,Downing Hi Everyone, PLEASE NOTE ALL RESPONSES TO QUESTION ARE IN CAPS. Below are the questions asked on the Miller Applications I have sent you info on in the Freedmen Project work. I hope to get at least two a week submitted. For those of you who cannot afford these NARA applications, I would advise that after you confirm it is your line, that you send for the packet, for source proof. Remember geneology is nothing without documentation. Page 1) Application # 23790 Action --ADMIT Name of applicant--ANDREW LYNCH No. of children--2 Residence--BLUEJACKET,OK Reason-----NEPHEW OF # 879. MOTHER OF CLAIMANT ENROLLED IN 1851 BY DRENNEN,DIS.33. Handwritten Note: 23790 VINITA OKLA #879 SIR IN RELATION TO YOUR LETTER AS A EASTERN CHEROKEE I WAS ENROLLED BY THE DAWES COMMISSION MY ROLL NUMBER IS 84.28 AS A FREEMAN BUT JI ALL WASS ENROLLED AS A CHEROKEE AND MY WIFE THE SAME MARY DOWNING THE ..... OF C N E DOWNING A CHEROKEE BY BIRTH MY MOTHER CENDY LYNCH A CHEROKEE BY BIRTH YOURS RESPEATFULLY ANDREW LYNCH SR Page 2) SPECIAL COMMISSIONER of the COURT of CLAIMS,601 Ouray Building, Washington D.C. Sir,I hereby make application for such share as may be due me of the fund appropriated by the ACT of CONGRESS, appoved June 30, 1906, in accordance with the decrees of the COURT of CLAIMS of May 18,1905, and May28, 1906, in favor of the eastern Cherokees. The evidence of identity is herewith subjoined.Note: Answers to all questions should be short, but complete. If you can not answer, so state. Question # 1) State full name:English name---ANDREW LYNCH Indian name- #2)Residence and Post Office---BLUEJACKET #3)County---CHEROKEE NATION #4)State---IND.TER #5)How old are you?---30YR Born:1877 #6)Where were you born?---CHEROKEE NATION #7)Are you married?---I AM A WIDOWER #8)Name and age of wife or husband--- #9)To what tribe of Indians do he or she belong?--- #10)Name all your children who were living on May 28, 1906, giving their ages. Name:--JOSEPHINE LYNCH Age:--9 Born:--1898 Name:--ROOSEVELT LYNCH Age:--4 Born:--1903 #11)Give names of your father and mother, and your mothers maiden name before marriage. Father- english name---ALLEN LYNCH Indian name- Mother- english name---CYNTHIA LYNCH Indian name- Maiden name---CYNTHIA CLARK #12)Where were they born? Father---CHEROKEE NATION WEST Mother---CHEROKEE NATION WEST Page #3 #13)Where did they reside in 1851, if living at this time? Father---SALINE DISTRICT,CHEROKEE NATION Mother---SALINE DISTRICT,CHEROKEE NATION #14)Date of death of your father and mother: Father---LIVING Mother---LIVING #15)Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benifits? If so, state when and were. Answer--MOTHER ON ALL ROLLS MADE BY THE CHEROKEE SINCE HER BIRTH, CHEROKEE TRIBE #16)Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence if possible. Name:---FLORENCE MARTIN Residence--BLUEJACKET IT Born---1868 Died--- Name:---EDWARD B. LYNCH Residence--VINITA IT Born---1871 Died--- Name:---BERT LYNCH Residence--BLUEJACKET IT Born---1874 Died-- Name:---MARY KELLY Residence--KETCHUM IT Born---1879 Died--- Name:---EARL LYNCH Residence--VINITA IT Born---1881 Died--- Name:---RUTH WHITIMERE Residence-- Born---1883 Died---KETCHUM IT Name:---EMINA O. LYNCH Residence-- Born---1891 Died---KETCHUM IT #17)State English name and Indian names of your grandparents on both father's and mother's side, if possible. Fathers side: Mothers side: JOHN CLARK MARY CLARK #18)Where were they born? --CHEROKEE NATION EAST #19)Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time?--SALINE DISTRICT, CHEROKEE NATION WEST #20)Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: Name:--EMILY BATTLES Residence:--VINITA IT Name:--CYNTHIA LYNCH Residence:--KETCHUM IT Name:--RUTH LYNCH Residence:--VINITA IT Name:--WILLIAM A. SMITH Residence:--CLEIRA IT Page 4 #21)Have you ever been enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benifits? If so, state when and were,and with what tribe of Indians. ON ALL ROLLS MADE BY THE CHEROKEES SINCE MY BIRTH, CHEROKEE TRIBE #22)To assist in identification, claiment should give the full English and Indian names, if possible, of their parents and grandparents back to 1835. Answer-- Remarks- Section) Under this head the applicant may give any additional facts which will assist in providing his claim. Answer-- Legal- Section ) I solemnly swear that the forgoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belief. Signature--ANDREW LYNCH Subscribed and sworn to before me this 31 day, of MAY, 1907. Notary Public- signature--JASPER S MARTIN My Commission expires:-- SEPT 15, 1907 Affidavit) (The following affidavit must be sworn to by two or more witnesses, who are well acquainted with the applicant.) Personally appeared before me CALVIN GREGORY and JAMES MARTIN, who being duly sworn, on oath depose and say they are well acquainted with ANDREW LYNCH who makes the foregoing application and statements, and have known for 10 years and 20 years, respectively, and know HIM to be the identical person HE represents HIMSELF to be, and that the statements made by HIM are true, to the best of their knowledge and belief, and they have no interest whatever in claim. Witnesses to mark--CALVIN GREGORY Signatures of witnesses--JAMES MARTIN Subscribed and sworn to me, before me this 31 day of MAY, 1907 Notary signature--JASPER S. MARTIN Notary commission expires--SEPT 15, 1907 NOTE: Affidavits should be made, whenever practicable, before a notary public,or clerk of the court, if sworn to before an Indian agent or disbursing agent of the Indian service, it need not be before a notary, etc.-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bright Star Freedmen Project August 2005

Thank you . Walsie >

Start here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "walsie" <walsie@cableone.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Ludovic Grant >I have tried several ways to get into this and it says it no longer exist. > Walsie

It's there at that address. Did you make sure to get all of it from the second line? Try it from here and click on Cherokee Lineages http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ Blessings, Susan

Jims site carries the "traditionally" accepted information about Ludovic Grant. He began with Starr as his basis and has been adding the documentation and making corrections as the errors became evident. That's why I asked if anyone knew if that information came from Starr. Jim will tell you there is information that comes up in the course of his research all the time that disproves the "traditionally" accepted stories. You know how our family stories can be, the folks that gave Starr their information for inclusion in his book were just the same. They didn't always give him the truth, they sometimes gave him the glamorized version of it. And some of it was just outright wrong. We've all had that experience, eh? The story about Ludovic Grant just doesn't add up. If he were, in fact, a clan chief, that would appear in the documentation. By the time he lived, they were keeping good records. The clan chiefs were usually Barons, Baronets, Lords, Knights, and so on after a certain point and their records appear in the Peerage and Baronage records. He simply does not appear in any of them, nor is there any way to connect him to those lines. The Aristocracy was as bad as anybody else, an maybe worse, about wanting to prove who they descended from. They all wanted to prove descent form royal families. But these two are well documented. For Trader Ludovic to be who he is said to be, there would be in one and usually more of these records. Even the illegitimate offspring of the Noble and Aristocratic houses were acknowledged and often raised to positions of prominence, just like their legitimate half-siblings. Witness to that is the clan Grant of Glenmoriston, whose progenitor is said to be the "natural son" of the 2d Laird of Feruchie. They gained a Barony in their own right. This is probably going to be one of those lines we'll have to ask about in the "Stupid Question Booth" on the other side of eternity! Happy time travels! Susan

There has to be a direct line of daughter to mother to grandmother to great grandmother on back for the NA markers to show up in the female line. So, if it was your father's mother that carried the NA blood from a female ancestor in an unbroken female line, it will show. If the blood comes through your father's paternal side, it will not show in your aunt as it is then father to daughter or mother to son and the tests do not yet check for the markers in those relationships. Blessings! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <FDessy@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: DNA testing > Thanks for the prompt followup. While there is > Native ancestry on both > sides, my dad's Powhatan ancestry is through a > female ancestor on his paternal > line, so how does that work? Does this mean I > should have my aunt tested instead > of my dad? > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related > conversations > Your supporting website > http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or > Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the > archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

please stop sending me these e-mails--I can not find a unsubscribe site--so please stop sending me these!!!! Thank you very much, Sincerely, Susan Susan Reynolds <s3js@cox.net> wrote: It's there at that address. Did you make sure to get all of it from the second line? Try it from here and click on Cherokee Lineages http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ Blessings, Susan ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I have tried several ways to get into this and it says it no longer exist. Walsie EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com wrote: > This is a genealgy.com site by Jim Hicks. So, don't be shocked when it >comes up. > From the page that pops up just scroll down the names until you come to >Ludovic Grant. Click on here. This will bring up a world of not only Ludovic >Grant but many many more persons and there cherokee lines. > >http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/bo >okindex.html > Have fun >Barbara Lattimore > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > >

1. LUDOVIC2 GRANT (JOHN1 GRAUNT) was born Abt. 1698 in Scotland, and died 1755 in Charleston, SC. He married (1) ELIZABETH TASSEL in CNE [TN], daughter of KAHYUN TECHEA. She was born Abt. 1706 in CNE [TN], and died in CNE [TN]. He married (2) UNKNOWN 1726. She was born Abt. 1700. Notes for LUDOVIC GRANT: On page 466, Starr states that Ludovic Grant married a woman of the Long Hair Clan; however, on page 561and 563 it states that he married a member of the Wolf Clan. (Two wives, or a typo?) He was the Clan Chief of the Grant holdings in Scotland and they lost the war in the Jacobite Rebellion. They were captured by the British at Preston and banished to the New World. Ludovic arrived on the Susannah and moved in with the Cherokee, his cousins all went to Boston and the Caribbian area. Sir Alexander Cuming, in his brief Journal which appeared in the Historical Register of London for 1731, described his adventures in the Cherokee Nation in 1730 when, with the aid of Ludovic Grant, he convinced seven young Cherokees (including future chief, Attakullakulla, the "Little Carpenter") to visit England and King George II. In a statement recorded on page 301 of the Charlestown, South Carolina probate court in the book of "1754-1758" in a sworn statement of January 12, 1756, says, "It is about thirty years since I went into the Cherokee Country where I have resided ever since" "I speak their language". More About LUDOVIC GRANT: Blood: Scottish Christened: April 12, 1702, Irvine, Scotland Emigration 1: May 07, 1716, from Scottland to the "New World" Emigration 2: Abt. 1726, To Cherokee Nation as Indian Trader Note: "Indian Countryman" of Cheoah Occupation: Fur Trader Starr's Notes: B657 "married a full blood Cherokee of the Long Hair Clan" Barbara Lattimore

This is a genealgy.com site by Jim Hicks. So, don't be shocked when it comes up. From the page that pops up just scroll down the names until you come to Ludovic Grant. Click on here. This will bring up a world of not only Ludovic Grant but many many more persons and there cherokee lines. http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/BOOK-0001/bo okindex.html Have fun Barbara Lattimore

Thanks.

Thanks for the prompt followup. While there is Native ancestry on both sides, my dad's Powhatan ancestry is through a female ancestor on his paternal line, so how does that work? Does this mean I should have my aunt tested instead of my dad?

Has any one used the GenTree Lab for DNA testing? If so was you pleased with them? Thanks At 04:13 PM 8/12/2005 -0400, you wrote: >Can anyone tell me the name of a reputable company that is doing testing for >the Native American DNA markers? I want to have my dad tested. He has a >proven Powhatan line, and physical characteristics that are clearly Native >American, so I'm curious enough to know how his results might turn out, to >pay the >cost of the test. > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

I'm not sure about that. Email someone at Comanche Lodge (the link I sent). They can help answer that question. ----- Original Message ----- From: <FDessy@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: DNA testing > Thanks for the prompt followup. While there is Native ancestry on both > sides, my dad's Powhatan ancestry is through a female ancestor on his paternal > line, so how does that work? Does this mean I should have my aunt tested instead > of my dad?