I got the Item when it comes in I will share it if anyone is intrested Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: "Karen Prater" <texas_celtic@hotmail.com> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] ebay item, Cherokee's Lowery, Fields >and ARch >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:01:58 -0500 > >I will bid on it as it is my family if I get it I will post text here > > > >Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli > >web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net > > > > >>From: "Tom and Patty" <tomnpat@iland.net> >>Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] ebay item, Cherokee's Lowery, Fields and >>ARch >>Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:17:14 -0500 >> >>I found on ebay, an 1819 newpaper. Thought someone might be related to >>names listed in description (below). >> >>Item number: 7708594765 >> >>CHEROKEE MISSION - Isaac Fisk at Elliot spent a few days at Brainerd - >>children left writing specimens, including Lydia Lowery, Delilah Fields, >>and John Arch; more. >> >> >>==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >>This list is for Genealogy related conversations >>Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >>Please Good manors and no flaming others >>For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >>CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >>or to get off this list via web site below >>http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >>Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

I will bid on it as it is my family if I get it I will post text here Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net >From: "Tom and Patty" <tomnpat@iland.net> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] ebay item, Cherokee's Lowery, Fields and >ARch >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:17:14 -0500 > >I found on ebay, an 1819 newpaper. Thought someone might be related to >names listed in description (below). > >Item number: 7708594765 > >CHEROKEE MISSION - Isaac Fisk at Elliot spent a few days at Brainerd - >children left writing specimens, including Lydia Lowery, Delilah Fields, >and John Arch; more. > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement

I found on ebay, an 1819 newpaper. Thought someone might be related to names listed in description (below). Item number: 7708594765 CHEROKEE MISSION - Isaac Fisk at Elliot spent a few days at Brainerd - children left writing specimens, including Lydia Lowery, Delilah Fields, and John Arch; more.

Osiyo! I have the photos you requested of BF Ross that I recently took at El Reno Cemetary. Please send me your email addy so I can send them to you. I also have many pictures of various Ross' and Mulkey headstones taken at Ross Cemetary (Tahlequah), Warner Cemetary and Bennett Cemetary (both Warner, OK). Wado. Jerri --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

We will be in Cherokee Co, Labor Day weekend, and plan to visit many cemeteries. If you have a tombstone you would like a picture of I will have with me three Excelent photographers, who would at a small fee take pictures for you and email them to you or snail mail them. I dont know if anyone would be intrested, just thought I would ask, We have taken some pictures all over Oklahoma and Texas, while reserching our trees, we hate to charge to take pictures but some compensation for time and postage and such is requiredpictures will be execlent quality and if all possable easly readable, considerin stone condidtion photo work availabe for view at http://www.photos-plus.net/ Karen Prater aka Yo-na-tli web Address http://www.cherokeemaiden.net _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Freedmen Project--MILLER APP.# 3932 Frank Keys, Brown, Page, Dotson, Warner, Ross, Rowe, Chuculate, PLEASE NOTE ALL RESPONSES TO QUESTION ARE IN CAPS. Below are the questions asked on the Miller Applications I have sent you info on in the Freedmen Project work. I hope to get at least one a week submitted. For those of you who cannot afford these NARA applications, I would advise that after you confirm it is your line, that you send for the packet, for source proof. Remember geneology is nothing without documentation. Page 1) Application #--3932 Action Taken--REJECT Name of applicant--FRANK KEYS No. of children--2 Residence--REDLAND,OKLA. Reason---APPLICANT IS ENROLLED BY THE DAWES COMMISSION AS A CHEROKEE FREEDMEN # 3133. ANCESTERS DO NOT APPEAR ON ROLLS. FATHER WAS A SLAVE. MISC.TEST.P.3022 Add.page remarks;-- # 3932 OKLA FRANK KEYS SALLISAW 22770-1 CANNOT FIND ANY ANCESTORS ON THE ROLLS REDLAND/ FIELD OKLA. Page 2) SPECIAL COMMISSIONER of the COURT of CLAIMS,601 Ouray Building, Washington D.C. Sir,I hereby make application for such share as may be due me of the fund appropriated by the ACT of CONGRESS, appoved June 30, 1906, in accordance with the decrees of the COURT of CLAIMS of May 18,1905, and May28, 1906, in favor of the Eastern Cherokees. The evidence of identity is herewith subjoined. Question # 1)State full name: English name--FRANK KEYS Indian name--CHU-STOO #2)Residence--SEQUOYAH DIST. CHEROKEE NATION #3Town and Post Office--ROLAND #4)County--NORTHERN DISTRICT #5)State--INDIAN TERRITORY #6)Date and place of birth?--AGE 44, 14 MILE CREEK TAH-LE-QUAH DIST. #7)By what right do you claim to share? If you claim through more then one relative living in 1851,set forth each seperately:-- ON MY MOTHER JUNER BROWN ON MY GRANDMOTHER RACHEL BROWN, ON MY BROTHER GEORGE. SIE ON MY SISTERS RACHEL AND JUNER, OR SUCH OF THEM AS ARE FOUND TO BE EMIGRANT CHEROKEES. . #8)Are you married?--YES #9)Name and age of wife or husband---LEUVENA KEYS, AGE 24 #10)Give names of your father and mother, and your mothers maiden name before marriage. Father- english name---ELI KEYS Indian name--UNKNOWN Mother- english name--JUNER BROWN Indian name---UNKNOWN Maiden name--JUNER PAGE #11)Where were they born? Father--ALSO UNKNOWN Mother--ALSO UNKNOWN #12)Where did they reside in 1851, if living at this time? Father--ALSO UNKNOWN Mother--I AM INFORMED IN TAH-LE-QUAH DIST.CHER NAT. #13)Date of death of your father and mother: Father--ABOUT 1870 Mother--ABOUT 1880 Page 3) #14)Were they ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benifits? If so, state when and were.--MOTHER WAS IN 1851 & 1875 #15)Name all your brothers and sisters, giving ages, and residence if possible. Name--ABBIE sis Born--BEFORE THE WAR Died--LIVING Name--RACHEL sis Born--UNKNOWN Died--UNKNOWN Name--JUNER sis Born--UNKNOWN Died--UNKNOWN Name--GEORGE bro Born--UNKNOWN Died--UNKNOWN Name--SIE Born--UNKNOWN Died--UNKNOWN Name--PERRY Born--NEXT TO ABBIE Died--LIVING #16)State English name and Indian names of your grandparents on both father's and mother's side, if possible. Fathers side:-- TOM PAGE LUCINDA PAGE Mothers side:-- GRANDMOTHER WAS RACHEL BROWN GRANDFATHER UNKNOWN #17)Where were they born? OLD CHEROKEE NATION EAST AS FAR AS I KNOW #18)Where did they reside in 1851, if living at that time?-- JUNER, MOTHER IN THE TAH LE QUAH-- CHER NAT. #19)Give names of all their children, and residence, if possible: English Name:--ABBIE Indian Name:-- Residence:-- English Name:--RACHEL Indian Name:-- Residence:-- English Name:--JUNER Indian Name:-- Residence:-- English Name:--GEORGE Indian Name:-- Residence:-- English Name:--SIE Indian Name:-- Residence:-- English Name:--PERRY Indian Name:-- Residence:-- #20)Have you ever been enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benifits?--1875, 1880, 1883, 1886, 1894,& 1900 DAWES ROLL Page 4) #21)To assist in identification, claiment should give the full English and Indian names, if possible, of their parents and grandparents back to 1835,---- Remarks- Section) Under this head the applicant may give any additional facts which will assist in providing his claim.-- Note: Answers should be brief but explicit;"yes", "no". "unknown". etc.,may be used in casers where applicable. Read the questions carefully. ------------------------------------ Legal- Section ) I solemnly swear that the forgoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belief. Signature---FRANK HIS X MARK KEYS Witnesses: PINK TAYLOR READUS MOORE Subscribed and sworn to before me this 29TH day,of OCT,1906. Notary Public- signature; READUS MOORE My commission expires:APRIL 22ND, 1908 Affidavit) (The following affidavit must be sworn to by two or more witnesses, who are well acquainted with the applicant.) Personally appeared before me JACK FOREMAN and ISAAC CROSSLIN, who being duly sworn, on oath depose and say they are well acquainted with FRANK KEYS who makes the foregoing application and statements, and have known him for 30 years and 30 years, respectively, and know HIM to be the identical person HE represents- HIMSELF to be, and that the statements made by HIM are true, to the best of their knowledge and belief, and they have no interest whatever in HIS claim. Witnesses to mark--J H GIBSON EDMOND STAMP Signatures of witnesses--JACK HIS X MARK FOREMAN ISAAC HIS X MARK CROSSLIN Subscribed and sworn to me, before me this 29TH day ofOCT,1906. Notary signature---READUS MOORE Notary commission expires---APRIL 22, 1908 NOTE: Affidavits should be made, whenever practicable, before a notary public,or clerk of the court, if sworn to before an Indian agent or disbursing agent of the Indian service, it need not be before a notary, etc. .----------------- MY PERSONAL NOTE: Pages after that include letters written to the BIA about their claim. Some have additional papers, others do not. ADDITIONAL PAPERS WITH THIS APPLICATION ARE; --------------------------------------------- SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN Special Commissioner of the Court of Claims, 601 Ouray Building, Washington D.C. Sir, I hereby make application for such share as may be due my minor children of the fund appropriated by the Act of Congress appoved June 30,1906, in accordance with the decree of the Court of Claims of May 18, 1905, and May 28, 1906 in favor of the Eastern Cherokees, and I ask that this be made part of my original application No.3932 1) State your full name:--FRANK KEYS 2) Residence and Post Office:--REDLAND, CHEROKEE NATION INDIAN TERRY. 3) County:--CHEROKEE NATION 4) State:--INDIAN TERRITORY 5) Date and place of birth:--MARCH 26-1861, FORT GIBSON I.T. 6) Are you married?--YES 7) Name and age of wife or huband:--LUVENIA KEYS 8) To what tribe of Indians, if any, does he or she belong?--CHEROKEE 9) Names of all your children who were living on May 28, 1906: Name--CLARENCE KEYS Age--4 YRS. Born--OCT. 23-1902 Name--WATIE KEYS Age--2 YRS. Born--OCT.23-1905 10) Were you ever enrolled for money, annuities, land, or other benefits? If so, state when and where, and with what tribe of Indians:---NONE REMARKS-- (Under this head the applicant may give any additional facts which will assist in providing his claim.)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I solemnly swear that the foregoing statements made by me are true to the best of my knowledge and belief. Signature--FRANK HIS X MARK KEYS Witness:-- J H PLANK GIDEON CREWS Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18TH day of MAY, 1907. Notary Signature--M G SLAUGHTER My Commission expires--MARCH, 1909. -------------------------------------------------------------- 2ND Letter Attached; Witness in Re; App. No. 22770-3932 Susie Dotson Frank Keys,-- being duly sworn, deposes and says: MY NAME IS FRANK KEYS. MY AGE IS 40 SOME YEARS.I LIVE IN SEQUOYAH COUNTY. WAS BORN ON 14 MILE CREEK. SUSIE DOTSON IS MY DAUGHTER. SHE GETS HER INDIAN BLOOD FROM ME.SHE WAS ENROLLED BY THE DAWES COMMISSION AS CHEROKEE FREEDMEN NO. 3134. I WAS ENROLLED BY THE DAWES COMMISSION AS CHEROKEE FREEDMEN. I WAS NEVER A SLAVE THAT I KNOW OF. I GOT THE STRIP MONEY. I GET MY BLOOD FROM MY MOTHER. I SUPPOSE MY FATHER WAS A SLAVE. MY MOTHER WAS A CHEROKEE WOMAN. MY MOTHER WAS PART COLORED TOO BUT HAD SOME INDIAN BLOOD. SHE WAS NEVER A SLAVE I HAVE BEEN TOLD.HER NAME WAS JULIA WARNER; SHE MARRIED WESLEY WARNER AFTER I WAS BORN. SHE DIED WHEN I WAS QUITE SMALL. SHE ONLY HAD 2 CHILDREN, AND COULD NOT HAVE BEEN VERY OLD. JUDGE KEYS TOLD ME THAT MY MOTHER, JULIA WAS ENROLLED IN 1851. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NAME SHE WENT BY IN 1851. I THINK HER NAME MAY HAVE BEEN ROSS, AS HER BROTHER AND UNCLE WERE NAMED ROSS. SHE WAS ALSO KNOWN BY THE NAME JULIA. PERRY ROSS IS MY UNCLE.ABBIE ROSS WAS MY MOTHERS SISTER. MY MOTHER GOT HER BLOOD FROM HER MOTHER, I THINK HER NAME WAS RACHEL BROWN AS MR. JIM KEYS KNEW HER NAME. I WAS MISTAKEN ABOUT MY MOTHERS MAIDEN NAME AS I NOW REMEMBER THAT IT WAS JULIA BROWN,AND BEFORE SHE WAS EVER MARRIED JUNIA PAGE. HAYWARD ROWE WAS MY MOTHERS OTHER SON.ABE KEYS IS MY HALF BROTHER. NOT THE SAME MOTHER. LUCINDA PAGE WAS MY GRANDMOTHER, AND TOM PAGE WAS MY GRANDFATHER, ON MY MOTHERS SIDE. ABBIE AND PERRY ROSS OR PERRY PAGE.I DON'T KNOW ANY FURTHER BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY OF THESE PEOPLE WERE SLAVES OR NOT. THEY NEVER ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OTHER TRIBE. Signature; FRANK X KEYS Subscribed and sworn to before me at Sallisaw, Oklahoma, this 18th day of September, 1908. Signed---A.S.Mamie Ass't to Special Commission of the Court of Claims. 3022 --------------------------------------------------------------- (Handwritten Note on same letter) 3932 1907 REDLAND IT DEAR SIR, I RECIEVED YOUR CARD AND I WAS GLAD TO HEAR FROM YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER BESSEM ON HAND NOW AND SO I WILL CLOSE. FRANK KEYS AFFAIRS WASHINGTON DC ------------------------------------------------------------------ 3RD LETTER ATTACHED: COSB. Appl.#3927 SPECIAL COMMISSIONER OF THE COURT OF CLAIMS, EASTERN CHEROKEE ENROLLMENT 601 OURAY BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. December 24, 1907 Ellis Chucalate Sallisaw Okla. Sir: Relative to your application for participation in the fund arising from the judgement of the Court of Claims in favor of the Eastern Cherokees, please state the names as carefully as possible under which you think you, your parents and grandparents were enrolled, as the names as given in your application do not appear upon the rolls of 1851. Very Respectfully, Guion Miller Special Commissioner. (Written in handwriting under this letter is as follows) HON GUION MILLER I THINK I MUST HAVE BEEN ENROLLED AS A-NA-LIE-SHI, CHUCKATES, OR CHUCULATE. AND PERHAPS, ONLY AR-NA-LEE-OKI OR ELLIS CHUCULATE. THE ... NAME MIGHT HAVE BEEN LET OFF. MY FATHERS NAME IS MOSES CHUCKULATE. MY MOTHERS NAME WAS AV-YU-KA. HER NAME AND THAT OF MY FATHER SHOULD APPEAR ON THE Page 2 1851 ROLL. AS THEY BOTH DREW IN THE PAYMENT OF 1851-1852. MY FATHERS FATHER WAS BENJAMIN CHUCKULATE. MY MOTHERS MOTHER WAS NAMED EIGLEQUAH, SHE WAS LIVING IN 1851 AND DREW MONEY. VERY RESPECTFULLY ELLIS CHUCULATE OR AR-NA-LEE-OKI TO HON GUION MILLER SPECIAL CLSAIMS WASHINGTON DC JAN 16/08 Letter stamped by: Court of Claims Eastern Cherokees Rec. Jan 20, 1908 No. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4TH LETTER ATTACHED: COSB. Appl.#3932 SPECIAL COMMISSIONER OF THE COURT OF CLAIMS, EASTERN CHEROKEE ENROLLMENT 601 OURAY BUILDING, WASHINGTON, D.C. December 24, 1907 Frank Keys, Redland,Okla. Sir: Relative to your application for participation in the fund arising from the judgement of the Court of Claims in favor of the Eastern Cherokees, please state the names as carefully as possible under which you think you, your parents and grandparents were enrolled, as the names as given in your application do not appear upon the rolls of 1851. Very Respectfully, Guion Miller Special Commissioner. (Written as follows) I AM PAGE GRANFATH IM SENDY PAGE GRANPIT JUNER MY MOTHER CHB/ALS ------------------------------------------------------------- Letter # 5 Attached to application # 3932 General Claim Agency, John L.Springston Vian, Oklahoma Vian, Okla. July 24th,1909 The Honerable Clerk of the Court, Sir, On the emigrant roll reported for the appoval of the Court, I fail to find the name of one of my clients for whom I made claim for for emigrant shares---Frank Keys, of Redland Okla--application made Oct 26th,1906---formally--- Can and will the Court give me the status of the case as it now appears before the Court, supposedly for rejection, as I have no information in the case since filing same --- The case as presented to me appeared as valid for shares--as the applicant satisfied me that he was a blood descendent of one of the emigrant Cherokee Indian Class-- if his ancestors were found to be of the old settler or Western Cherokee Class, or he failed to connect with those on whom he based his claim, please advise me --& oblidge, Respectfully, John L. Springston Bright Star Freedmen Project August, 2005

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I understand all of this, Joy. I have not implied at any time that any thing was not listed in Chalkey therefore it did not exist. If anyone took it that way, my sincere apologies. I merely pointed out I had found the abstract and that it is worthy of discussion because it calls into question some of the "traditionally accepted", but undocumented, information about this union. It may not mean anything at all, but it should be investigated by any serious Pearis researcher and they may not have known it existed. I thought it was very interesting that a Pratchey was listed as an Indian slave on this transaction and this also happened to be his Cherokee wife's name. There were supposedly many Cherokee and mixed blood Cherokee slaves in VA at this particular time. The Cherokee had not completely removed themselves from the area, but they were well on their way to withdrawing to the south. Almost all of the information available about Pratchey has no source documentation because there was little to none available for that time frame. In fact, this is the only time I have seen any mention of her in anything remotely connected to an "official" document, using that term lightly as it is an abstract of the document (and I have not seen any Miller applications that might reference her, although they should not as they only require information back to 1835). It's just too coincidental for her name to be listed in a transaction as "property" when she is generally accepted as Richard Pearis' wife. It is very possible the Cherokee considered her a wife, but this abstract makes a case for him believing her to be chattel. In the VA of his day, it would have been extremely difficult for him to marry her legally. Laws had been enacted with harsh penalties. It also seems a bit of a stretch for this particular name to be a transcription error, especially the way it is worded. Unless Chalkey was a Cherokee researcher, the chances are he would not have a clue about the Pearis/Prachey marriage, let alone her name, and the chances are remote he would have added it. While it is true we need to see the original, if it even still exists, it is also true someone on the list might have a copy of it. It may just be he was referring to property in SC he owned, or in GA or TN although I have seen no reference to property in those last two locations, and Pratchey was at that location, but then again not. He may have freed her, but the laws of VA at the time required him to petition the government for the permission to do so and there should be a document somewhere supporting that. She may have been there of her own free will or at the request of her father. She may even have run away with her children or been set free by soldiers and returned to the Cherokee Nation giving rise to the notion her children were born there. Some of the families her children married into had VA connections. There are many possibilities. Keeping an open mind and thinking outside the box brings down lots of walls. It is always good to look at any potential information and re-evaluate what is already accepted. As we document our way through the Cherokee nation, look at how many family relationships have emerged that are not the "traditionally accepted" versions of the family, yet when all the documentation is on the table, Starr's genealogies, the traditional versions that have been accepted for years, have been proven inaccurate and the family trees have to be rewritten. It happens all the time in genealogical research. Blessings, all! Susan

Susan, The first thing you have to do is obtain a copy of the *original* deed. http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/ Chalkley is not without its problems, as Daphne Gentry of the Publications and Educational Division of the Library of Virginia has pointed out. Not all documents are included. There are not only errors of omission, but errors of transcription have also been documented. This simply means that the careful researcher should send for a copy of the original document, as with any secondary source, and should not assume that because it doesn't appear in Chalkley it does not exist. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js@cox.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Prachey and Richard Pearis > Capt. Richard Pearis > > Apr 16, 1757 > > Augusta Co., VA > > This land record was originally published in "Chronicles of the > Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800. Extracted from the > Original Court Records of Augusta County" by Lyman Chalkley.

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Hello, everyone! It really doesn't do to start organizing those lovely stacks of paper we tend to accumulate when we "do genealogy"! It always brings up more questions. In the course of researching my probable ancestor, Samuel Tynes, I found an entry in South Carolina that also mentioned Richard Pearis. Of course, it was exciting to think my ancestor probably was acquainted with Richard Pearis. It made sense, they were both from VA. As I looked a little further in these papers, though, I realized I had a good number of entries on Pearis for VA and one that had escaped my notice. This is what the entry reads: Capt. Richard Pearis Apr 16, 1757 Augusta Co., VA This land record was originally published in "Chronicles of the Scotch-Irish Settlement in Virginia, 1745-1800. Extracted from the Original Court Records of Augusta County" by Lyman Chalkley. For love and goodwill; his daughters, slaves and other personalty; to Sarah in case she marries with father's consent; to Margaret, same condition, conveys one Indian wench named Pratchey. Delivered to Cap. Peter Hog, Dec 1770. Grantor 7-450 I don't know why I missed it before, but Pratchey was his *slave* and given to his white daughter, Margaret, if she married with his consent. It doesn't look to me like this was a marriage relationship at all. Since the instrument was delivered in 1770 to Capt. Hog, it is my assumption that the transaction was completed at that time, then Pearis would have been off to the fight the war a few years later. This information also tends to negate the assumed birth place of the three Parris children, Kate, George, and Nellie as Georgia or Tennessee. Unless he held her in slavery in that state as well, it appears to me that their children might have been born in VA. I suppose this could be a different Pratchey, but I don't really think so. That would be too convenient. The next big question would be how he managed to capture her unless she was already in VA. I know there are many who say there were no Cherokee in VA, but the colonial records are filled with references to the Cherokee in VA. Some of you that are more expert on this than me care to comment? I am sure most of you that research the Pearis/Parris family know he left the US and went to the Bahamas. He was a Loyalist, so it was probably safer for him to do so. I wonder though, if Prachey went with them to the Bahamas? Since daughter Margaret dies there, it would be a possibility unless Prachey died after the 1760 or so birth of her last child with Richard Pearis. Does anyone have access to Bahamian records? My access is very limited here. I do have a contact, but don't know if I can get that help just now. Opening another can of worms! Susan

Osiyo Patty, "c" means circa. It is often used if the date of an event (birth, marriage, death) is not exactly known. It does not necessarily mean any of your information is incorrect. I just wrote it exactly like it was written. Best wishes. Tom and Patty <tomnpat@myturbonet.com> wrote: Hi there, I was going through the archives and came across this post to my question about a wife for George Wilson, JR. Between vacation and my 3 yr old grandson breaking his elbow in a fall, I must have missed it. I know that George Wilson, Sr was married to Ruth Springton ( sometimes known as Ruth Drumgoole) married sometime around 1800, but you have the date c.1845. Could this be a different Ruth Springston married to George Wilson JR? Or is it the date you have for George Jr's parents, Ruth and George W. Wilson SR? Hoping you can remember, since this is an old post. Thanks alot, patty From: jay earl < ten8csi@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] George Jr Wilson Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <42EC2CCD.7050508@cableone.net> Hey Patty, George Wilson married Ruth SPRINGSTON c. 1845. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

Osiyo Tonya, Well, the gift shop had Tear Dresses at about $200. a pop so I decided to make my own. The pattern was less than $6.00. It is not a classic pattern, however. Each dress needs to be customized to the wearer by careful measuring. My machine doesn't do zig zag stitches so I will have to upgrade. I am thinking of a turquoise or green calico print with contrasting gold or green (depending on the dress color) diamond shapes and ribbon. I plan to wear it during the Cherokee Nation Anniversary in Tahlequah during Labor Day in a couple of weeks. If I have time I will make my husband a matching Cherokee ribbon shirt. I think it is a beautiful way to express our sense of Cherokee community. Jerri --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

There is a James Wilson Miller # 6578 Kansas susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom and Patty" <tomnpat@myturbonet.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Miller Roll rejected > Susan, > Is the name James D. Wilson, from Kansas, on the rejected roll? > Thank you, > Patty > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hi, Patty! A different Susan, but there is a James Wilson resident in Kansas whose rejected application was 6578 Arthur T. 29527 Claud, Olive and Pearl 43989 Florence 24599 Jacob 2192 Martha E. 39100 Nana 26738 Robert W, 38996 Robt. W. 44073 Samuel I. 29525 Wilbert 28975 William C. 2191 Wm. C. 29526 I suspect Arthur, Samuel I. and Wm C. are kin, but I haven't looked at the 1900 census to be certain, the same goes for Jacob and William C., possibly Martha E. and Robert W. I don't have my notes handy on your Wilsons and can't remember the names. Sorry about that! Blessings! Susan Reynolds

Susan, Is the name James D. Wilson, from Kansas, on the rejected roll? Thank you, Patty

Thank you very much, Delorra In a message dated 8/16/2005 3:31:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "susan smathers" <susan56@tampabay.rr.com> writes: >The following are listed on the Guion Miller Roll not eligible >Mary L. Artis Miller # 21156 Arkansas >Sarah Artis Miller # 36710 Indiana > >Bertha Tabor Miller # 2904 Arkansas >Francis A. Tabor Miller # 30927 Texas >Miles H. Tabor Miller # 39206 North Carolina >Thos J. Tabor Miller # 39201 North Carolina >There is also a >Susan Taber Miller # 29615 Tennessee > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <DLorr1@aol.com> >To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:52 PM >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Miller role rejects > > >> Hello, would you happen to have any.. >> Artis (Artist).....Wingard.....Tabor or Lanier? >> >> Thanks for any info. >> Delorra

The following are listed on the Guion Miller Roll not eligible Mary L. Artis Miller # 21156 Arkansas Sarah Artis Miller # 36710 Indiana Bertha Tabor Miller # 2904 Arkansas Francis A. Tabor Miller # 30927 Texas Miles H. Tabor Miller # 39206 North Carolina Thos J. Tabor Miller # 39201 North Carolina There is also a Susan Taber Miller # 29615 Tennessee ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLorr1@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Miller role rejects > Hello, would you happen to have any.. > Artis (Artist).....Wingard.....Tabor or Lanier? > > Thanks for any info. > Delorra > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hello, would you happen to have any.. Artis (Artist).....Wingard.....Tabor or Lanier? Thanks for any info. Delorra

Notes for Richard Bark Foreman: Blood: 1/2 Cherokee Clan: Paint Clan (Susie Gourd) Cherokee Name: Uhyluke or Oo-ya-lu-gi Reservation Roll: 1817, Signed for 640 acre Reservation Drennen Roll: 1851, #633 Flint District Marriage #1: Elizabeth Kerr / Karr Marriage #2: Mother ?? Marriage #3: Rachel Seabolt Baptism (LDS): June 17, 1995, PORTL Endowment (LDS): September 07, 1995, PORTL Sealed to parents (LDS): June 08, 1996, PORTL The Church at Candy's Creek by William Holland, Missionary......"Bark Foreman, brother of T. Foreman, 30 years old with four children. He has a speech impediment due a hare-lip". Richard Bark Foreman is listed on the July, 1817 Treaty. Richard 'BARK' is on the 1835 Census, Cherokee Indians East of the Mississippi, Tennessee, Candy's Creek, McMinn Co., TN. Listed as One halfblood and six quarterbloods. One white intermarriage. One farm and one farmer. One reads Cherokee. One weaver and three spinners. RICHARD BARK FOREMAN, information from "Going Snake Messenger," Vol. VII, No. 4, pages 80,81,82,83, written by Lulu Boggs. By 1817, the United States Government was putting pressure on the Cherokees to move to the West. The Treaties of 1817 and 1819 did provide that a certain number of Cherokees could remain in the East on individual reservations. CHEROKEE AGENCY EAST: Walter Caruty makes oath, that he was acquainted with Bark Foreman at and before the Cherokee Treaties of 1814 and 1819. He was a Native Cherokee and was the head of a Cherokee family and resided on the land. Affiant understood he registered for a reservation under said treaties on what is now McMinn County in the state of Tennessee, on or near the road leading from McMinn to Knoxville. That he continued all his residence thereon until the spring of 1819 when he rented a part of his improved land thereon to a certain Garret F. Lankford, and the balance of his improved land to a certain Wallace Cowan. Lankford, by the terms of the lease was to surrender possession to Foreman on the first day of December, 1819. Affiant at that time lived within a mile and a half of the reservation. In the month of November, 1819, said Foreman was at the house of affiant, and said he had been in search of his stock, which he left on the reservation. A horse pony was all! he could find, the balance consisting of cattle and horses as he informed affiant could not be found. He came back to affiant's house in the month of December and made demand from Lankford in the presence of affiant of his rent according to contract and of the possession of his premises. Landford refused to pay the rent, and said he did not design when he leased to pay rent nor surrender the premises rented and positively refused to give Foreman possession and said he would never give him possession and that he, Foreman need not come there expecting to get possession from him for he should not have it. In the fall or winter of 1819, affiant heard Lankford, who was a white man, threaten Foreman's life twice, saying Foreman had better not come about him for he would kill him. That he would as soon kill him, Foreman, as a wolf. Lankford continued to hold possession even forcibly until the land sales in 1820 and until the purchase of the quarters including the improvements took possessi! on thereof under the state. Cowan was also, by his contract to surrender possession to Foreman on the first day of December, 1819 when he heard Cowan tell Foreman that he, Cowan, had complied with his contract, that he was to build a house on the rented land and was then living in it. And that he intended to live in it, and that he would pay no more rent, and refused to surrender possession. Shortly thereafter, William Lea purchased the improvements from Cowan, who continued possession until Lea took possession in the spring of 1820, and continued possession until the land sale in the fall of 1820, when Lasciter became the purchaser thereof from the state and took possession thereof under his purchase. The Surveyor General of the Cherokee District did not survey and (illegible) the reservation as such or by general plan of the District, but the same was sectioned off for appropriation by the State and sold at the land sale of 1820. And immediately thereafter, taken possession ! of by the purchasers of their (illegible) holding under them, and has ever since forcibly been held over against Foreman. After Foreman failed in getting possession from his tenants, he appeared greatly dissatisfied and complained much. By the loss of his possessions and the distribution of his stock left on the reservation, Foreman was reduced to (illegible) and removed his family across Tennessee over in the Cherokee Nation, where he has ever since resided being unable to obtain possession of his reservation. Foreman agreed, as affiant is informed, to receive some small sum for his improvements thereon from Col. Starr, about $250. He never sold or conveyed his reservation or any part thereof to the knowledge or information of affiant. Walter Carruth. Affiant in addition to the above states that he is well acquainted with the reservation above referred to, having resided in the neighborhood since 1819, and believes that the date of the treaty of 1835 it was worth as unimproved l! ands nine thousand dollars. Walter Carruth Sworn to before me 2 March 1838 John Kis (??) To the Cherokee committee under the Treaty of 1835 The undersigned is desirous of becoming a citizen of the United States, and respectfully solicits the Committee to grant him privileges of Citizenship. Cherokee Agency East February 26, 1838 Richard, or Bark Foreman (x mark) Witness J.E. Hetzel Bark Foreman has this day been recommended by the Committee as being fully competent to become a citizen of the U. States. He having exemplified his unwillingness to go to the West. Cherokee Agency February 26, 1838 J.W. Bell Precinct Pro Tem National Archives Copy E 222 Cherokee Removal Record 1820-54 At the time the Declaration of Independence was signed, 200, the area of North Carolina that was later to become Bradley Co., TN, was still a wilderness area inhabited by Indians who had developed a simple knowledge of roots and herbs were able to alleviate many diseases common to the area. In 1845 the book The Cherokee Physician or Indian Guide to Health, As Given By Richard Foreman, A Cherokee Doctor was published by James W. Mahoney. This book, supposedly was a treatise on the healing arts as practiced by the Cherokee Indians, and remedies for the more common diseases of the time. Regardless of the disease, the standard treatment consisted of "First, give an emetic to cleanse the stomach; next, give a purge or some other cathartic to cleanse the bowels; after the stomach and bowels have been cleansed in the above manner, give a sweat of Seneca or Black Snake Root to produce copious sweating." No. 33 Bark Foreman Claim for the Value of A Reservation vs The United States In this case it is alleged by claimant that he registered his name with R.J. Meigs for a Reservation of 640 acres of land on the No side of Hiwasse river, in McMinn Co. State of Tennessee, in the Territory ceded by the Cherokee Nation of Indians, to the government of the U.S. by the treaties of 1817 and 19. He alleges that the same was sold by the State of Tennessee, and that the purchases took possession of the same and forcibly kept him out, that he has never sold the same or any part thereof. The testimony of David Taylor, Walter Curruth and one officer, is offered to sustain the justice of his claim, who all seem to agree in the statement that Foreman was a Reservee, and that he resided thereon till Spring of 1819, when he rented his land out to two different men, to-wit Lankford & Cowan - that applicant was by the term of the contract to have had possession of said Reservation by the 1st De! c. 1819, as is proven by W. Curruth. All concern in the statement, that much difficulty and distrust existed between the parties, Foreman and his tenants. It also appears by the affidavit of Curruth, that Foreman had left some stock, horses, cattle & when he left in the Spring, on his reservation - that he demanded possession of Langford and the payment of his rent, in presence of withso both of which was refused. In the fall of the same year; Langford threatened the life of Foreman and (illegible) that he would kill him if he came about him. Cowan by agreement, was also to pay rent, and give possession, both of which he refused to do in the winter of 1819 - That the land was sectioned off, and sold by the State in the fall of 1820. The witness Taylor & Curruth, both concur in their statements that Foreman did receive the sum of $250, or there about. Col. C. Starr swears that he paid Foreman as well as now recollects $280, for his Reservation in behalf of government; that Foreman mo! ved off voluntarily after renting his place for the balance of the time for which he was entitled to it, which would have expired according to the treaty, the 1st Jan'y 1820. Whereupon and in consideration of the premises, the commissioners are of the opinion that the treaty contemplated that the Reservee should reside on the premises by him reserved, and taken that he should be domiciled and that the reservee could not lease out the premises and live on other lands without such act amounting to an abandonment and that the receipt of the sum of $280, from the Government by the hands of its Agent, was a sale of the said Reservation. Therefore, it is Adjudged and Decreed that the said Bark Foreman is not entitled to receive any compensation from the United States for this Reservation. John Kennedy W.W. 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