Joyce! I was not trying to berate anyone--oh, quite the contrary. I suppose I was just venting somewhat because --dontcha know--the process of finding one's NA roots should be easier! It was kind of a word-to-the-wise kind of thing and I figured if it confuses me sometimes then certainly those with a little less experience could easily get off on the wrong trail without careful checking and rechecking. You are a dear for your compliments, I certainly appreciate it. Fact is, I will never know all I want to know. LOL. Here is another heads-up. I had sent a query to the Oklahoma Historical Society some time ago. They didn't respond and, frankly, I forgot about it. Some weeks later I received their email reply. It stated my ancestor I had been researching (I was seeking land records) had no land allotment records because he had never been on the Dawes! Then it went on to explain that only those on the Dawes had received land, etc. Well, I was stunned. Of course my ancestor was on the Dawes, there is no debate about this and as a result my Mom and I are Cherokee Nation citizens. Luckily, I realized OHS's error immediately but I began thinking if someone really new to genealogy had received the same reply then it is possible their search would have ended right then and there. On behalf of the fine staff at OHS, all I can say ca-ca happens. I have visited there in-person twice and plan to do so again in a few weeks. The folks there were friendly and professional. I highly recommend a visit to anyone seeking historical NA records. I plan on visiting Muskogee Public Library and Northeastern State University, as well. Fact is I think I would be happiest surrounded by books and microfiche all day every day if I could. I am still hard at work on my book. Thanks again for the kind words. Etowah Senior Center <escc435@vol.com> wrote: That may be true, Jerri, but for most researchers just finding the name could be half the battle and they probably wouldn't have such an easy time of finding it if Judy and Dennis didn't have it there. I think, perhaps, it should be up to the individual researcher to wade thru the information for themselves. I have a great respect for your knowledge when it comes to NA research but we must remember that there are those who don't have that much knowledge and need a site such as this to help them along. I think maybe they don't have the time nor staff to check for duplications or into the problem you mentioned. You do a wonderful job in guiding people along. Joyce Gaston Reece, Director Etowah Senior Center "doing our part to help you grow in your golden years" ----- Original Message ----- From: jay earl To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Genealogy Mazes Just wondering if anyone has ever noticed how incomplete the tribal records for accessgenealogy.com is? Although there appears to be copious records of names, upon closer scrutiny one begins to see some repetition and it may be easy to confuse oneself. In my own research I have found names that were ultimately rejected by the Dawes Commission but appear on the site having roll and card numbers which might lead someone to assume they were accepted if they did not do the very necessary work of obtaining the application packets and reading them thoroughly themselves. I would imagine this is one of the reasons the tribal governments are backlogged with so many registration applications. Just recognizing a name on the Dawes is not enough. Just my .02 worth... --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

You Know What! I despise getting emails like this. Please in the future write a description of what you are asking us to look at. Adageyudi Staya Udanvti ----- Original Message ----- From: g.winters To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Just an opinion Tis up to you whether you go to this. http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opwal274444388sep27,0,6267271.story?coll=ny-islanders-bigpix&track=mostemailedlink ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Tis up to you whether you go to this. http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opwal274444388sep27,0,6267271.story?coll=ny-islanders-bigpix&track=mostemailedlink

Just wondering if anyone has ever noticed how incomplete the tribal records for accessgenealogy.com is? Although there appears to be copious records of names, upon closer scrutiny one begins to see some repetition and it may be easy to confuse oneself. In my own research I have found names that were ultimately rejected by the Dawes Commission but appear on the site having roll and card numbers which might lead someone to assume they were accepted if they did not do the very necessary work of obtaining the application packets and reading them thoroughly themselves. I would imagine this is one of the reasons the tribal governments are backlogged with so many registration applications. Just recognizing a name on the Dawes is not enough. Just my .02 worth... --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Serenity: Thank you so much for the information you have been posting. God's blessings Barbara

_http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/whm/bio/ward_n.htm_ (http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/whm/bio/ward_n.htm) Free Public Resources - Educational Purposes This typeset: NJC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ORIGINAL SOURCE: U·X·L Biographies, U·X·L, 1996. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nan'yehi Nancy Wardc. 1738-1824Cherokee Tribal Leader Nancy Ward was spared the sight of her people's exile to Indian Territory in 1838, but because her spirit was present at Chota, they knew she had preserved that connection to their eastern home. Introduction The role of Ghighua, or Beloved Woman, among the Cherokee was an influential one indeed. The most noted of the Cherokee Beloved Women was Nancy Ward, or Nan'yehi. Closely related to such leaders as Old Hop, the emperor of the Cherokee nation in the 1750s, Attakullakulla, the Wise Councillor of the Cherokee, and Osconostato, the Great Warrior of the Cherokee nation, Ward won the honored title of Ghighua and her own leadership position after displaying great bravery in battle. But Ward was not merely a warrior. She spoke on behalf of her people with U.S. representatives and wisely counseled the tribe against land cession. She did not live to see her warnings become reality as the Cherokee were dispossessed of their eastern lands. Earns title Beloved Woman Born about 1738 at Chota, a "Peace Town" or "Mother Town" in the Overhill region of the Cherokee Nation, Ward came into the world at the beginning of a crucial era in Cherokee history. Raised by her mother, Tame Deer, and her father, Fivekiller (who was also part Delaware or Lenni Lenap‚), Nan'yehi realized at a young age that her people were in turmoil. Missionaries, Moravians (Christians who seek to persuade others to accept their religion and follow the Bible as their rule of faith and morals) in particular, were trying to gain access to the Cherokee people in order to convert them. Still very conservative (resistant to change), preserving their traditional customs and religion, the Cherokees had a mixed reaction to the missionaries. Many regarded them as a threat, others saw them as a blessing. One of those who straddled this fence was Nan'yehi's very influential maternal uncle, Attakullakulla ("Little Carpenter"). He eventually struck a deal allowing Mora! vians into Cherokee territory, but only if they would build schools to instruct Cherokee youth in English and the ways of the white man. Later critics would see this as evidence of Attakullakulla's desire for the Cherokee to accept European ways; others saw this as a tactic to teach the tribe more about their enemy. Like her uncle, Nan'yehi too would try to find the middle ground between tradition and innovation. Ward married a Cherokee man named Kingfisher while in her early teens. Kingfisher was a great warrior, and Nan'yehi was at his side in battle, helping prepare his firearms and rallying Cherokee warriors when their spirits flagged. In 1755, the Cherokees fought the Creeks at the Battle of Taliwa. During the fighting, Kingfisher was killed. Nan'yehi, about 18 years old at this time, took up her slain husband's gun and, singing a war song, led the Cherokees in a rout of the enemy. Out of her loss was born a decisive victory for her people and a title of h! onor for her: "Beloved Woman." The Cherokee were a matrilineal (traci ng family relations through the mother) society, and thus their fields had always been controlled by women. Women of great influence became known as Beloved Women, often working behind the scenes in shaping decisions. The role of Ghigau or Beloved Woman was the highest one to which a Cherokee woman could aspire. It was unusual for one as young as Nan'yehi to be so named, but since the name also translates as "War Woman" and was usually awarded to women warriors (or warriors' mothers or widows), Nan'yehi had duly earned it. Much responsibility went with the many privileges of the rank, and, although young, Nan'yehi showed herself capable. Among the privileges accorded Nan'yehi as a Beloved Woman were voice and vote in General Council, leadership of the Women's Council, the honor of preparing the Black Drink — a tea used in ceremonies to purify — and giving it to warriors before battle, and the right to save a prisoner already condemned to execution. Nan'yehi ! would exercise all these rights and would serve as her people's sage (wise person) and guide. Another of the Beloved Woman's duties was as ambassador, or peace negotiator. It is through this role that Ward became a figure in non-Cherokee history. Ward, who had been "apprenticed" as a diplomat at her uncle's side, was a shrewd negotiator who took a realistic view of how to help the Cherokee people survive. She had grown up during a time when continued white settlement on Cherokee lands, in violation of the Royal Proclamation of 1763, in which the British Empire had recognized the rights of Native people, created constant tension in Indian-white relations. When militant Cherokees prepared to attack illegal white communities on the Watauga River, Ward disapproved of intentionally taking civilian lives. She was able to warn several of the Watauga settlements in time for them to defend themselves or flee. One of the settlers unfortunate enough to be taken alive by ! the Cherokee warriors was a woman named Mrs. Bean. The captive was sen tenced to execution and was actually being tied to a stake when Ward exercised her right to spare condemned captives. Taking the injured Mrs. Bean into her own home to nurse her back to health, Ward learned two skills from her which would have far-reaching consequences for her people. A Time of Change Mrs. Bean, like most "settler women," wove her own cloth. At this time, the Cherokee were wearing a combination of traditional hide (animal skin) clothing and loomed cloth purchased from traders. Cherokee people had rough-woven hemp clothing, but it was not as comfortable as clothing made from linen, cotton, or wool. Mrs. Bean taught Ward how to set up a loom, spin thread or yarn, and weave cloth. This skill would make the Cherokee people less dependent on traders, but it also Europeanized the Cherokee in terms of gender roles. Women came to be expected to do the weaving and house chores; as men became farmers in the changing society, women became "housewives." Another aspect of Cherokee life that changed when Ward saved the life of Mrs. Bean was that of raising animals. The white woman owned dairy cattle, which she took to Ward's house. Ward learned to prepare and use dairy foods, which provided some nourishment even when hunting was bad. However, because of War! d's introduction of dairy farming to the Cherokee, they would begin to amass large herds and farms, which required even more manual labor. This would soon lead the Cherokee into using slave labor. In fact, Ward herself had been "awarded" the black slave of a felled Creek warrior after her victory at the Battle of Taliwa and thus became the first Cherokee slaveowner. From these accommodations to European-based ways of life, one might get the idea that Ward was selling out the Cherokee people. But her political efforts proved the contrary. She did not seek war, but neither did she counsel peace when she felt compromise would hurt her tribe. In 1781 Ward entered into peace talks with Tennessee politician and soldier John Sevier at the Little Pigeon River in present-day Tennessee, she had called for peace but warned Sevier to take the treaty back to "his women" for them to ratify. It did not occur to the Cherokee that women did not decide matters of war and peace i! n the white man's world, as they did in many southeastern tribes. War d was also a negotiator for the Cherokee at the 1785 signing of the Treaty of Hopewell, the first treaty the Cherokee made with the "new" United States. By the turn of the nineteenth century, it was already becoming apparent to the Cherokee that the Americans intended to get as much Cherokee land as possible and that the day might come when the Natives would be forced off their homelands. Ward, by now called "Nancy" by the many non-Indians she had befriended, feared that each time the Cherokee voluntarily handed over land, they were encouraging the settlers' appetite for it. She feared that someday their hunger for land would destroy her people. In 1808, the Women's Council, with Ward at its head, made a statement to the Cherokee people urging them to sell no more land. Again, in 1817, when Ward took her seat in council, her desperation was ill concealed. She told the younger people to refuse any more requests for land or to take up arms against the "Americans" ! if necessary. The Road Back to Chota When she became too aged to make the effort to attend further General Council meetings, Ward sent her walking stick in her place thereafter. Some contemporary sources say she "resigned" her position as Beloved Woman with this action, but the mere absence from council did not indicate the end of her term. Ward was well aware that Cherokee "removal" west of the Mississippi River was almost a foregone conclusion. Rather than face the sorrow of leaving her homeland, she decided to find a way to blend in to the white world. Nan'yehi had become Nancy Ward when she married the Irish (or Scots-Irish) trader Bryant Ward. By now, her three children were grown, so she was accorded the indulgence of "modern conveniences" because of her advanced age and the great integrity with which she had long discharged her duty to her people. Therefore, when she and Ward took to the innkeeping trade, there was no disrespect voiced toward the Beloved Woman. Their inn was situated near the! Mother Town of Chota, on Womankiller Ford of the Ocowee River, in eastern Tennessee. Ward returned to Chota, her birthplace, in 1824. She was cared for by her son, Fivekiller, who reported seeing a white light leave her body as she died. The light was said to have entered the most sacred mound in the Mother Town. Ward was spared the sight of her people's exile to Indian Territory in 1838, but because her spirit was present at Chota, they knew she had preserved that connection to their eastern home. The last woman to be given the title of Beloved Woman until the late 1980s, Ward remains a powerful symbol for Cherokee women. She is often referred to by feminist scholars as an inspiration and is revered by the Cherokee people of Oklahoma as well as the Eastern Band Cherokees of North Carolina. FURTHER READING Allen, Paula Gunn, The Sacred Hoop, Beacon Press, 1992.American Indian Women: A Research Guide, edited by Gretchen Bataille and Kathleen Sands, Garland Publishing, 1991.Green, Rayna, Women in American Indian Society, Chelsea House, 1992.Native American Women, edited by Gretchen M. 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His registration status should be on the census card which is on-line. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php Preston

Heheheheheeee! Jana ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] In-loom weaving > Apparently some people have more culture than others. Ahem. LOL > > Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote:Why don't you look at the bottom of all messages, > the directions are there. > Even the rules for this list. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jay earl" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] In-loom weaving > > >> No, how do we get on the culture list? Thanks. > =================> > || > see \/ below > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

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Alli, this did happen, a lot, some didn't want anyone to know they were native american. If they could pass for another race, they did. All for different reasons. So they didn't go on the rolls. Judy, there were a lot of rolls going back to nearly or before 1800. You are probably right for the Dawes roll but the earlier ones occured in a lot of other states. Gracie in Okla. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <judy@genealogysurnames.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] question on Cherokee by blood > Just a guess Alli, he was the only one that registered. Remember people had > to travel to Oklahoma or be living in Oklahoma at the time the rolls were > done. > > I have a cousin in the same situation. Her gggrandfathers sister is listed > but he isn't. That doesn't do a thing for her. You have to prove direct > connection to the person, if his parents were there it might work. > > Judy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:29 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] question on Cherokee by blood > > > > Ok...... > > I have a brother to my dbl. great grandpa that apparently has an app. and > > he's listed on the Dawes Final Roll as being Cherokee by blood. > > How on earth can he be listed but the rest of the siblings aren't & how > > can I show the connection? > > > > Alli > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Yeah my dad's family seemed to only want certain people or family members to know of this. My dad went to Tahlequah w/my Great grandma to finish doing her app. apparently she had to go back. But the day they were there she & the commission worked on it, but they needed her to come back the next day. She didn't have enough money to stay in a hotel so they rode the train back home & she never went back that he can recall as it was too costly for her. He thought it was her original app. but it wasn't But she told him of their Cherokee blood, but unfortunately didn't provide any info. about it. He (my dad) only had 1 # that he thought was a Roll # for his Uncle (Great) but it turned out just to be his application # (which the people at the Cherokee Nation office didn't even know, they told him it must be a typo) Anyway, they filled out the Eastern Cherokee Applications & my triple Great grandma was rejected thus the kids, but claimed to have drawn "Bread Money" from the Cherokee Tribe in 1872 in Tahlequah. Now my Dbl. Great Grandpa, I haven't checked to see if they had any Indian blood in them, but they did marry into the tribe or at least married some women that did have some Indian blood. So of course their kids would claim, but I figured the hubby's couldn't unless it was by marriage. Alli :) > Alli, this did happen, a lot, some didn't want anyone to know they were > native > american. If they could pass for another race, they did. All for different > reasons. > So they didn't go on the rolls. > > Judy, there were a lot of rolls going back to nearly or before 1800. > You are probably right for the Dawes roll but the earlier ones occured > in a lot of other states. > > Gracie in Okla.

Alli: ..........& how can I show the connection? Part of the citizenship requirements for the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma......... "If your direct ancestor was an original enrollee on the Dawes Commission Rolls and you apply for a Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood based on that relationship, you will be required to furnish an unbroken chain of state and/or court certified documents, or a judicial "Determination of heirs" showing your relationship to the nearest lineal enrolled ancestor. The burden of proof is completely upon the applicant;..... ." There's more at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/n_a_resea.html Ordering the application file may shed some light on the situation. Hope this helps. Preston

No cause I know that part already (requirements) I don't know if their parents registered or not, but obviously someone had to in order for one brother to prove he had Cherokee in him other wise he would have just been listed as Cherokee by marriage wouldn't he, since his wife was part Cherokee? So I'm going to order the brother's app to see what he listed because as I said....if the brother registered & was accepted then his brother (My dbl. great grandpa) should be eligible too? or at least there should be enough proof to show a connection somewhere. I'd like to register for the "card" but that's not really my goal. I would just like to find the Correct & full Cherokee connection to the ancestor's so I can give this info. to my dad before he dies (not its not gonna be any time soon, but he's not getting any younger) :) Thanks Alli . > > Hope this helps. > Preston

Just a guess Alli, he was the only one that registered. Remember people had to travel to Oklahoma or be living in Oklahoma at the time the rolls were done. I have a cousin in the same situation. Her gggrandfathers sister is listed but he isn't. That doesn't do a thing for her. You have to prove direct connection to the person, if his parents were there it might work. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:29 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] question on Cherokee by blood > Ok...... > I have a brother to my dbl. great grandpa that apparently has an app. and > he's listed on the Dawes Final Roll as being Cherokee by blood. > How on earth can he be listed but the rest of the siblings aren't & how > can I show the connection? > > Alli > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >

That's what i'm thinking. I don't know where the brother was living at. I know mine were in NC then Mo then Okla. then Ark & back to Okla they applied for the Eastern Band but were rejected. My triple great grandma drew "bread money" from the Cherokee Tribe in 1872 in Tahlequah. So I'm still working on the connection LOL Alli :( > Just a guess Alli, he was the only one that registered. Remember people had > to travel to Oklahoma or be living in Oklahoma at the time the rolls were > done. > > I have a cousin in the same situation. Her gggrandfathers sister is listed > but he isn't. That doesn't do a thing for her. You have to prove direct > connection to the person, if his parents were there it might work. > > Judy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@filertel.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:29 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] question on Cherokee by blood > > >> Ok...... >> I have a brother to my dbl. great grandpa that apparently has an app. and >> he's listed on the Dawes Final Roll as being Cherokee by blood. >> How on earth can he be listed but the rest of the siblings aren't & how >> can I show the connection? >> >> Alli >> >> >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >> Please Good manors and no flaming others >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >> or to get off this list via web site below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Ok...... I have a brother to my dbl. great grandpa that apparently has an app. and he's listed on the Dawes Final Roll as being Cherokee by blood. How on earth can he be listed but the rest of the siblings aren't & how can I show the connection? Alli

Hi, list members, How do we research ancestors when they did not come out in the Trail of Tears?? And are probably not in rolls, or used native name, which I have no idea what that was. One of my grands was probably married in Tazewell Co., Va, about 1770. The other was married in Washington Co., Pennsylvania, about 1785. I think I know the parents of the one from Va. but would like to find some kind of proof. Penn. is a totally new search for me. Getting toooo close to New England now, rofl. Gracie in Okla.

Apparently some people have more culture than others. Ahem. LOL Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote:Why don't you look at the bottom of all messages, the directions are there. Even the rules for this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] In-loom weaving > No, how do we get on the culture list? Thanks. =================> || see \/ below ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Thanks, Judy, I think that's a great help! Jana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <judy@genealogysurnames.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:41 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] RE: Final Dawes Roll >I get numerous requests daily from people asking how to search the Dawes >Rolls listed on our pages and why we have 2 of them. I have made a new >page on Understanding the Final (Dawes) Roll in hopes this will answer >questions. >http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/understanding_final_dawes_roll.htm > > I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. > You should probably reply off list so not to make the List Owner mad at > me!! > > Thanks > Judy > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

I get numerous requests daily from people asking how to search the Dawes Rolls listed on our pages and why we have 2 of them. I have made a new page on Understanding the Final (Dawes) Roll in hopes this will answer questions. http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/understanding_final_dawes_roll.htm I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. You should probably reply off list so not to make the List Owner mad at me!! Thanks Judy