Hey - no off topics, the whole list will be tossing hard fry bread some place ) at Alli ( I have enough ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@gmail.com>

Ok works for me ;) But i'm going to the village (culture list) otherwise all that bread you've been throwing gonna come back at us soon :) Alli > Soooooooooooooo... you was supposed to rest. My throwing arm is still > good. hehehehehe grandma > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Yep I love helping other's......I figure if I can help other's find their family maybe my family will start coming out of the wood work :) Well, its been 8 yrs & I'm back to being stuck LOl I measure about 4 times before I am somewhat sure. I just learned that an Aunt that was married to my Great Uncle (Floyd Allen Johnson "Cotton") is suppose to be a Phariss (Noma Phariss) that I never knew but its been confirmed by at least one Aunt, waiting for confirmation by a daughter of these 2) then to top it off I thought Great Aunt Noma's maiden name was Green, which apparently its not......but we apparently have several in our family tree.........still waiting to find out who. UGH To add to the maze LOL about my "book" I think it'll be more of a binder type thing as it'd be too difficult/costly to make it into an actual book. But maybe if I find a cemetery that's no longer accepting "members" :) then I'll make that into a book (won't have to add anything LOL) But for right now I'm just working on them in my home town (Twin Falls, Idaho) & some surrounding towns. I'd like to work on the Chelsea Cemetery as that has the majority of my family buried there. But that'll have to wait for when I move back there :) Alli > That is fantastic, Alli. Good luck on your book. I appreciate your support about sometimes coming across misinformation or the lack of information at all and how it could get someone off on the wrong path if they accepted it verbatim. It happens often enough, especially with all the exact same or similar names and dates etc. What's that old saying? Measure twice and cut once, LOL. Something like that. This caveat is not intended for any specific site, btw. I have an insatiable need for my family history and I love helping others connect the dots, as well. Ok, now back to your book. What localities are you concentrating on? I have lots of cemetary photos I have visited too, mainly in the Oklahoma City, Tahlequah areas. Thanks. > > Jerri

In a message dated 9/30/2005 2:59:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, iamcheroke@gmail.com writes: I haven't been throwing any fry bread at him in several weeks I PROMISE :) Soooooooooooooo... you was supposed to rest. My throwing arm is still good. hehehehehe grandma

That is fantastic, Alli. Good luck on your book. I appreciate your support about sometimes coming across misinformation or the lack of information at all and how it could get someone off on the wrong path if they accepted it verbatim. It happens often enough, especially with all the exact same or similar names and dates etc. What's that old saying? Measure twice and cut once, LOL. Something like that. This caveat is not intended for any specific site, btw. I have an insatiable need for my family history and I love helping others connect the dots, as well. Ok, now back to your book. What localities are you concentrating on? I have lots of cemetary photos I have visited too, mainly in the Oklahoma City, Tahlequah areas. Thanks. Jerri Alli <iamcheroke@gmail.com> wrote: I don't think it was a complaint as much as it was a helpful FYI. I know that one of the Cherokee Roll books that I have doesn't have some of the names that I have found directly off the rolls themselves...........why? Don't know. But I know that when I first began I probably would have stopped because of the stuff mentioned recently. But then I have gained such an enjoyment out of researching that I would have looked elsewhere just to look ;) Its like a Cemetery project I have created for myself because of lack of info. that I couldn't give to someone who requested my help. 8 yrs ago a lady wanted to find her Uncle that is buried (somewhere) in our local cemetery. I went to the funeral home that now owns it requesting the info. (location) based on these past records the grave doesn't exist, the lady swears it does. So I decided that I'd canvassing the whole Cemetery writing down names of every head stone marked, every possible grave, every broke or damaged headstone, sunken grave, etc. Then after I got thru almost one complete section (w/the help of hubby & kids tagging along) I decided that what I REALLY needed to do was to take pictures of the headstones so there was "proof" of existence. 2 digital cameras & a cam corder later I'm working on being 1/2 way thru & putting things in order. But not only have they "added" people in the area I've already covered, but recently they cut down a tree that was a marker (for me). So. I have to go "back" & redo it, minus this tree LOL And I'm going to put it into an "expanding" book. I'm also transcribing Cherokee by blood rolls, baker rolls, etc. Most if not all has already been transcribed & put on a web site. But this will be for me, so i can better (hopefully) help someone w/o having to take the time to go into the FHC (which is now a 1/2 hr away). Some complain, some inform & some add misinformation (found some of that on my direct family that's been posted by a non-family person) grr But........I enjoy the maze. I can't find my ancestor's, but I seem to find other's Alli :) > Before you say much , think on this > accessgenealogy is made up by a nice person with the help on one other, and > you folks. Members help to contribute data to a website, just like rootsweb > and all the others, what info it there was by the grace of the donators and > the web page builder. If it is incomplete and you have a filler, please help > by donating the missing pieces. > Other wise, enjoy and be happy we have Judy <> > And Joyce and Alli and and and and all the others too. > Takes people to make a good site work. > Dan M ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

My maternal grandmother claimed to have Native American roots (supposedly Cherokee)...there is only one branch in my family that hasn't yet been traced out of the US. Washington Temple MILLER was born in 1815 Jefferson Cnty, KY. He lived in Alton and Chicago Illinois for most of his life, from 1830-1888. Miller is obviously a common name, but it is also frequent in Native tribes. That and the origin from KY promotes the possibility of Cherokee/native. He married a SMITH whos parents were from NY and CT...also a possible Native connection. I wonder though if it really is possible that WT Miller had Native American origins: he held some very prominent positions (mostly in Alton, Illinois). He was an alderman, a police constable, owned and subdivided hundreds of acres of real estate, was an Illinois State representative for the creation of one of the railroads, an officer in the Tippencanoe club, a banker, a lumberyard owner, a merchant.... During this time period, would someone of NA orgins been able/allowed to be in such positions? If not, then my focus should probably be on his wife's family when tracing NA roots. Thanks for any suggestions/help Pete Hanson

( list owner is busy > dodging fry bread and can't even growl ) hehehehe grandma > I haven't been throwing any fry bread at him in several weeks I PROMISE :) Still searching for Thompson/Adams/Phariss N.C., Tn. & then to Okla. Alli :)

I don't think it was a complaint as much as it was a helpful FYI. I know that one of the Cherokee Roll books that I have doesn't have some of the names that I have found directly off the rolls themselves...........why? Don't know. But I know that when I first began I probably would have stopped because of the stuff mentioned recently. But then I have gained such an enjoyment out of researching that I would have looked elsewhere just to look ;) Its like a Cemetery project I have created for myself because of lack of info. that I couldn't give to someone who requested my help. 8 yrs ago a lady wanted to find her Uncle that is buried (somewhere) in our local cemetery. I went to the funeral home that now owns it requesting the info. (location) based on these past records the grave doesn't exist, the lady swears it does. So I decided that I'd canvassing the whole Cemetery writing down names of every head stone marked, every possible grave, every broke or damaged headstone, sunken grave, etc. Then after I got thru almost one complete section (w/the help of hubby & kids tagging along) I decided that what I REALLY needed to do was to take pictures of the headstones so there was "proof" of existence. 2 digital cameras & a cam corder later I'm working on being 1/2 way thru & putting things in order. But not only have they "added" people in the area I've already covered, but recently they cut down a tree that was a marker (for me). So. I have to go "back" & redo it, minus this tree LOL And I'm going to put it into an "expanding" book. I'm also transcribing Cherokee by blood rolls, baker rolls, etc. Most if not all has already been transcribed & put on a web site. But this will be for me, so i can better (hopefully) help someone w/o having to take the time to go into the FHC (which is now a 1/2 hr away). Some complain, some inform & some add misinformation (found some of that on my direct family that's been posted by a non-family person) grr But........I enjoy the maze. I can't find my ancestor's, but I seem to find other's Alli :) > Before you say much , think on this > accessgenealogy is made up by a nice person with the help on one other, and > you folks. Members help to contribute data to a website, just like rootsweb > and all the others, what info it there was by the grace of the donators and > the web page builder. If it is incomplete and you have a filler, please help > by donating the missing pieces. > Other wise, enjoy and be happy we have Judy <> > And Joyce and Alli and and and and all the others too. > Takes people to make a good site work. > Dan M

Hi Carol, No, I'm exiled here in southern California. However, I will be visiting El Reno/OKC and Tahlequah again in mid-October. Thanks for the heads-up! :)) Jerri Carol <eeeyor99@yahoo.com> wrote: Jerri, I checked the library online and the downtown okc library has the Marcy and the Gold Seekers in their library, but it is for reference only. Do you live close to downtown? Carol --- jay earl wrote: > > Does anyone here have access to these books? Thanks. > ~Jerri > > 1. GEORGIA BIBLE RECORDS by Jeannette Holland Austin > > 2. The Call of San Saba by Hamrick, pg. 40, List of > first school teachers. > > 3. Marcy and the Gold Seekers by Grant Foreman, > Chapter 3, pgs 66-79 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website > http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language > lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the > archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

> I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. Judy, what information there is in the Dawes rolls I believe is correct. You have to keep in mind that spelling of the names could be different or even the names on roll is according to what information our ancestors gave out. My Cherokee ancestors did not sign up on the rolls even though part of their family did. So the rolls are no benefit to my genealogy unless I am looking for relatives of my ancestors. ( list owner is busy dodging fry bread and can't even growl ) hehehehe grandma

Jerri, I checked the library online and the downtown okc library has the Marcy and the Gold Seekers in their library, but it is for reference only. Do you live close to downtown? Carol --- jay earl <ten8csi@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Does anyone here have access to these books? Thanks. > ~Jerri > > 1. GEORGIA BIBLE RECORDS by Jeannette Holland Austin > > 2. The Call of San Saba by Hamrick, pg. 40, List of > first school teachers. > > 3. Marcy and the Gold Seekers by Grant Foreman, > Chapter 3, pgs 66-79 > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website > http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language > lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the > archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

Does anyone here have access to these books? Thanks. ~Jerri 1. GEORGIA BIBLE RECORDS by Jeannette Holland Austin 2. The Call of San Saba by Hamrick, pg. 40, List of first school teachers. 3. Marcy and the Gold Seekers by Grant Foreman, Chapter 3, pgs 66-79 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Hi Judy! Didn't mean to be insensitive about the accessgnealogy site. I never doubted a lot of hard work went into it. Maybe I should have said even the NARA site seems to have a few minor glitches. No one site is perfect, which is exactly my point. I always think it is a good idea to check out one's sources for themselves, by obtaining hard copies of the facts from NARA or whomever, not to rely solely on a site or other people's findings on forums. However, that caveat aside, I think these sources can be an excellent springboard to launch one towards authenticating their own family's genealogy. Heaven knows it surely has helped me often enough! I am grateful we have so many online sources. Thank you for all your hard work. Don't ever think about giving it up. We appreciate you!!! I posted that opinion because this site has been quiet for so long. It was not my intention to flame anyone. Peace, Jerri Dan M <wb@wvi.com> wrote: JUDY You know better than that This is NA data, it is relevant. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" > I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. You should probably reply off list so not to make the List Owner mad at me!! > > Thanks > Judy > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

Judy Absolutely. If it didn't I sure would have contributed to you. I only contribute to people whom I KNOW will use the data and keep it free. Jerri I apologize if I sounded rude in the posting yesterday. I didn't intend to... We all should realize how many contributions you make too....and I'm sure we do. Joyce Gaston Reece, Director Etowah Senior Center "doing our part to help you grow in your golden years" ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan M To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] RE: Final Dawes Roll JUDY You know better than that <grin> This is NA data, it is relevant. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <judy@genealogysurnames.com> > I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. You should probably reply off list so not to make the List Owner mad at me!! > > Thanks > Judy > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

JUDY You know better than that <grin> This is NA data, it is relevant. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy" <judy@genealogysurnames.com> > I would like your opinions as to whether this information helps or not. You should probably reply off list so not to make the List Owner mad at me!! > > Thanks > Judy >

I also have the list control buttons. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] In-loom weaving > Apparently some people have more culture than others. Ahem. LOL

Before you say much , think on this accessgenealogy is made up by a nice person with the help on one other, and you folks. Members help to contribute data to a website, just like rootsweb and all the others, what info it there was by the grace of the donators and the web page builder. If it is incomplete and you have a filler, please help by donating the missing pieces. Other wise, enjoy and be happy we have Judy <> And Joyce and Alli and and and and all the others too. Takes people to make a good site work. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "jay earl" <ten8csi@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:44 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Genealogy Mazes > Just wondering if anyone has ever noticed how incomplete the tribal records for accessgenealogy.com is? Although there appears to be copious records of names, upon closer scrutiny one begins to see some repetition and it may be easy to confuse oneself. In my own research I have found names that were ultimately rejected by the Dawes Commission but appear on the site having roll and card numbers which might lead someone to assume they were accepted if they did not do the very necessary work of obtaining the application packets and reading them thoroughly themselves. I would imagine this is one of the reasons the tribal governments are backlogged with so many registration applications. Just recognizing a name on the Dawes is not enough. > > Just my .02 worth... > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

there are over 2000 links on my web site for NA listed below. Might give it a try l;-) Dan M =======

You know what, I despise things too, we have a list owner, send him the complaints ( not the list ) !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Staya Udanvti Bob Butler" <cherokeebo@starband.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Just an opinion > You Know What! >

That may be true, Jerri, but for most researchers just finding the name could be half the battle and they probably wouldn't have such an easy time of finding it if Judy and Dennis didn't have it there. I think, perhaps, it should be up to the individual researcher to wade thru the information for themselves. I have a great respect for your knowledge when it comes to NA research but we must remember that there are those who don't have that much knowledge and need a site such as this to help them along. I think maybe they don't have the time nor staff to check for duplications or into the problem you mentioned. You do a wonderful job in guiding people along. Joyce Gaston Reece, Director Etowah Senior Center "doing our part to help you grow in your golden years" ----- Original Message ----- From: jay earl To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 2:44 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Genealogy Mazes Just wondering if anyone has ever noticed how incomplete the tribal records for accessgenealogy.com is? Although there appears to be copious records of names, upon closer scrutiny one begins to see some repetition and it may be easy to confuse oneself. In my own research I have found names that were ultimately rejected by the Dawes Commission but appear on the site having roll and card numbers which might lead someone to assume they were accepted if they did not do the very necessary work of obtaining the application packets and reading them thoroughly themselves. I would imagine this is one of the reasons the tribal governments are backlogged with so many registration applications. Just recognizing a name on the Dawes is not enough. Just my .02 worth... --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com