In a message dated 11/2/2005 9:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgreece@earthlink.net writes: Do you have copies of or do you know where one can get the 7 small volumes of the early South Carolina colonial records (they're blue, paperback) SC Governors correspondence...Glenn, Johnson and others? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joyce, Try looking at the source below... Nancy >>0<< BOOKS AVAILABLE FROM BRENT H. HOLCOMB and SCMAR THE SOUTH CAROLINA MAGAZINE OF ANCESTRAL RESEARCH Order from: Brent H. Holcomb PO Box 21766 Columbia, SC 29221 _mailto:scmar@juno.com_ (mailto:scmar@juno.com) A Guide to South Carolina Genealogical Research and Records NEW EDITION! Revised 2001 $15.00 (soft cover). Contents: I. PROBATE RECORDS, II. LAND RECORDS, III. EQUITY RECORDS, IV. TAX RECORDS, V. COUNTY COURT MINUTES, VI. MILITARY RECORDS, VII. MARRIAGE AND OTHER VITAL RECORDS, VIII. IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION RECORDS, IX. CHURCH RECORDS, X. CENSUS RECORDS, XI. NOTES ON COUNTY FORMATIONS AND RECORDS, XII. THE BORDER PROBLEM WITH NORTH CAROLINA, XIII. ARCHIVES AND LIBRARIES, XIV. THE ARCHIVES COM INDEX, XV. PUBLISHED SOURCES, XVI. USING THE INTERNET. We are pleased to be able to offer the following five books by the late Mrs. Caroline T. Moore. All volumes are indexed. Prices are stated. If all volumes are ordered together, we offer them at a special price of $210.00 plus postage and sales tax (if applicable). Postage and handling: $3.00 for the first book; $1.50 for each additional book. Maximum shipping: $7.50. Abstracts of the Wills of the State of South Carolina 1670-1740. Hard cover. Price $40.00. 346 + xiv pages. This volume contains abstracts of wills from the beginning of the province of South Carolina. Some of these wills make reference to previous residences such as Barbados, France, New England, and England. Abstracts of the Wills of the State of South Carolina 1740-1760. Hard cover. Price $40.00. 355 + xii pages. Wills abstracted in this volume reflect the expansion of the province inland, such as that of Abraham Pennington in 1775, who lived in what was later Newberry County. Wills from persons settled in the townships, such as Williamsburg, and parishes, such as St. Bartholomew's, are found as well. Abstracts of the Wills of the State of South Carolina 1760-1784. Hard cover. Price $45.00. 454 + xii pages. The wills abstracts in this volume take us from the late Colonial period through the Revolution to the time when the districts, such as Ninety Six and Camden, took over the probate function in late 1781. In this period portions which had been in North Carolina were added to South Carolina by the border surveys of 1764 and 1772, known as the New Acquisition. Abstracts of the Wills of Charleston District, South Carolina 1783-1800. Hard cover. Price $45.00. 526 + x pages. Wills abstracted in this volume are from the present-day counties of Charleston, Colleton, Dorchester, and Berkeley. Colleton District was formed in 1800 from Charleston District. Still there is an occasional will from another part of South Carolina, such as St. Matthews Parish, Prince William's Parish, and Ninety Six District. Abstracts of Records of the Secretary of the Province of South Carolina 1692-1721. Hard cover. Price $50.00. 457 + xii pages. Records abstracted in this volume include administration bonds, some wills not included in the other volumes, warrants of appraisement, letters of administration, letters of guardianship,m and other items which might be found in estate packets if such packets were extant. This volume is essential for research in the early period of South Carolina. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In a message dated 11/2/2005 9:10:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgreece@earthlink.net writes: Do you have copies of or do you know where one can get the 7 small volumes of the early South Carolina colonial records (they're blue, paperback) SC Governors correspondence...Glenn, Johnson and others?

Fairly slowwwwww, Jerri. I'm to the point of disgust and not having more primary resources. I'm so burnt out on the 'snowball' effect of inaccurate information which has been written in book after book that I'm at a standstill. Loads of conflicting information and seemingly no way to locate correct data. Have you found good resources for primary info? I keep hearing hints about there being historical documents/information that belong to the Cherokee concerning the very early years...before the entry of the white man in the late 1600's to 1700's. Have you heard this or found anything? I'm running out of ideas of where to look. Do you have copies of or do you know where one can get the 7 small volumes of the early South Carolina colonial records (they're blue, paperback) SC Governors correspondence...Glenn, Johnson and others? I have copies of letters from Fort Loudon to Gov. Lyttleton Besides this we are adding a room onto the house, it's hunting season and I work the standard 40 hrs a week. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Lynn To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Scots in the Carolinas Hi Joyce, The website has been very quiet lately. How's your research going? Jerri --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

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On EBAY there is an August 31, 1811 Newspaper that has one sentence on Chief Black Fox's death. Didn't know if anyone would be interested. I'm not associated with this item in any way, just thought there might be a family member interested in it, maybe for documentation?1811 CHEROKEE INDIAN CHIEF BLACK FOX Death Newspaper ! Item number: 7720166844

12. GREAT3 EAGLE (MOYTOY2, A-MA-DO-YA1) was born Abt. 1714. He married WOMAN OF ANI'-WÂ'DI, daughter of MOTHER ANI'-WÂ'DI. She was born Abt. 1714. Notes for GREAT EAGLE: The Colonial Records of South Carolina, Documents Relating to Indian Affairs, 1750-1754, p100; Talk of the Head Men of Chotee and Tanacy (SCIB2-100) August 9, 1751; "Tifftoya of Tanassee (commonly called Willeeneewa) says he has been a head man this six years." More About GREAT EAGLE: Aka (Facts Pg): Tifftoya of Tanassee, Willenawah, Great (Grey) Eagle Attended: 1730, Delegation to King George II Blood: Full Blood Cherokee Clan: Ani'-Ga'tâge'wi = Kituah or Wild Potato (Wa-Wli Vann) More About WOMAN OF ANI'-WÂ'DI: Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Wurteh) Children of GREAT EAGLE and WOMAN ANI'-WÂ'DI are: 32.i. SISTEROF4 DOUBLEHEAD, b. Abt. 1730.33.ii. OLD TASSEL, CHIEF, b. Abt. 1736; d. June 1788. iii. STANDING TURKEY, CHIEF, b. 1738; d. 1838, near Agency East. More About STANDING TURKEY, CHIEF: 1848 Mullay roll: #1274 died 1838 near Agency East (great-uncle of #968, Grasshopper) Chief: Bet. 1792 - 1801, Principal Chief, CN-East Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Wurteh) Translation: Gv-na-ga-do-ga = Standing Turkey 34.iv. CHIEF DOUBLEHEAD, b. Abt. 1744, Stearns, KY; d. August 09, 1807, Hiwasse River, TN.35.v. PUMPKIN BOY, b. Abt. 1746; d. 1793, Ish's Station. vi. UNKNOWN, b. Abt. 1748; d. Abt. 1816. Notes for UNKNOWN: 1842 Cherokee Claims, Skin Bayou District, claim of Katy Spencer nee Pumpkin; Katy states that she lived with her uncle after her father died, and that he died c1816. [It's quite possible that the unknown uncle that Katy mentions here is actually Doublehead and that she got his death date incorrect.] The Moravian Diaries in describing the death of Doublehead in 1807 also mentioned that an unnamed brother of Doublehead escaped the assassins at that time; so this may be the uncle that Katy stayed with. More About UNKNOWN: Clan: Ani'-Wâ'di = Red Paint (Wurteh) 36.vii. NA-NI, b. Abt. 1750. "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> wrote:What do you know about Willanawah....Great Eagle? Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

What do you know about Willanawah....Great Eagle? Joyce Gaston Reece

Martin (Tail) BENGE 1761 - ____ BIRTH: 1761, Overhills, Great Tellico, Tennessee DEATH: Y Father: John BENGE Mother: Wurtea WATTS --------------------------------- ____________________________________________ | _John BENGE _________|| (1730 - 1779) m 1761|| |____________________________________________| ||--Martin (Tail) BENGE | (1761 - ....)| _(Adopted Son) John WATTS __________________+| | (1704 - 1779) m 1745 |_Wurtea WATTS _______| (1745 - 1779) m 1761| |_Oosta (White Owl - Great Eagle) CARPENTER _+ (1723 - 1768) m 1745 --------------------------------- INDEX --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Susanne CAMERON 1770 - ____ BIRTH: 1770, Overhills, Great Tellico, Tennessee DEATH: Y Father: Alexander CAMERON Mother: Ollie Mollie CHIPPEWA --------------------------------- ____________________________________ | _Alexander CAMERON _____|| (1750 - 1771) m 1770 || |____________________________________| ||--Susanne CAMERON | (1770 - ....)| _(Adopted) Attakullakulla CHIPPEWA _+| | (1708 - 1777) m 1730 |_Ollie Mollie CHIPPEWA _| (1754 - 1810) m 1770 | |_Ollie Nionee OCONASTOTA ___________ (1710 - 1786) m 1730 --------------------------------- INDEX --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Willenawah (Great Eagle) CARPENTER 1705 - 1777 BIRTH: 1705, Overhills, Great Tellico, Tennessee DEATH: 1777, Overhills, Tenase, Great Tellico, Tennessee BURIAL: The Great Mound, Nikwasi, Franklin, North Carolina EVENT: Heritage: [34] EVENT: Location: 2 Nov 1759, Toqua, The Overhills [35] Father: Moytoy III Savannah Tom CARPENTER Mother: Aniwaya Nancy Tenase CHEROKEE Family 1 : Aniwodi Wurtea Tawsee CHEROKEE MARRIAGE: 1726, Tellico Plains, Tennessee +Redbird CARPENTER +Corn Tassel (Great Eagle) CARPENTER +Standing Turkey CARPENTER +Double Head CARPENTER +Pumpkin Boy CARPENTER +Nancy Great Eagle CARPENTER --------------------------------- _Moytoy II (Trader Tom) CARPENTER _+ | (1660 - 1734) m 1678 _Moytoy III Savannah Tom CARPENTER _|| (1680 - 1711) m 1702 || |_Nancy SHAWNEE ____________________| (1664 - 1732) m 1678 ||--Willenawah (Great Eagle) CARPENTER | (1705 - 1777)| ___________________________________| | |_Aniwaya Nancy Tenase CHEROKEE _____| (1685 - 1746) m 1702 | |___________________________________ --------------------------------- INDEX [34] 15/16 Shawnee-Cherokee-White Metis. Great Eagle aka Great Eagle Carpenter-Gray Eagle-Willenawah-Woolenawah-Tifftoy of Tenase-Tiftoa-Woolochuoah. Fom the Overhills, Tenase & Great Tellico, visited England 1729, French/Indian War, Braddock, Pontiac War, Bushy Run, Point Pleasant 1774, Cherokee War, protested Treaty Sycamore Shoals 1775. Husband 1726 of Aniwadi Nancy Tawsee Cherokee. [35] 1759, November 2, From Attah Kallah Kallah To His Excellency Governour Lyttelton From Attah Kallah Kallah I take this early opportunity of writing to the Governour being now mett with the head men of my Town. I am Returned from war and am come to live with my Brothers who were sent up here at my Desire. When they first came Amongst us. It was agreed that they and my people should be as Brothers and live together in unity and Friendship. They came here to defend us and I promised to defend them and that the fire should forever burn clear between us. It was then the Governours desire that he should hear no complaints. I _rilie my people and it was allwise been my Endeavour to procure them Supplies of necefsaries and that they should Give no Cause of Complaint. The Governour Gave me a String of Beads when I was last in Town. I am in hopes of having, soon an Invitation to go down and See him, then I will Carry the String of Beads which he gave me when the Governour sees them, and hears what I have done I hope he will take off the Black Beads and Leave none4 but the White on the String. My thoughts are Constantly bent on Going to war Against his and our Enemies and any Talk to my peole is that hey behave So to keep things Straight and good, I hope to hear nothing but goodtalk. And that I may ave a good Talk from the Governour In Return to this. For I shall allwise remember the Orders sent over by the Great King George. Willinawaw the Warriour of Toqua is of the same way of thinking with me. we look upon Fort Loudoun as the place we are to Receive our orders and be Fitrted out to warr, and we Esteem te Garrison as our Brothers. It never was our Desire that the path to Charles Town should be Spoilt but that it, on the Contrary. I should allwise be plain & clear for the white people and us to walk in. I have no more at present to Say but wait for the Governours Answer. his Attah Kallah Kallo mark --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Mary EMORY 1746 - Aft 1800 BIRTH: 1746, Overhills, Tomatly, Indian Nation DEATH: Aft 1800, Indian Nation EVENT: Informatiion: [235] Father: William EMORY Mother: Mary GRANT Family 1 : William (Rim) FAWLING MARRIAGE: 1766, Overhills, Great Tellico, Tennessee William FAWLING Ailsey FAWLING John FAWLING Family 2 : Ezekiel BUFFINGTON MARRIAGE: 1770, Overhills, Tomatly, Indian Nation Ellis BUFFINGTON Elizabeth BUFFINGTON Thomas BUFFINGTON Susannah BUFFINGTON Annie BUFFINGTON Mary BUFFINGTON Family 3 : John. MARTIN MARRIAGE: 1782, Overhills, Tomatly, Indian Nation Samuel MARTIN --------------------------------- _John EMORY _________________ | (1698 - 1746) m 1726 _William EMORY ______|| (1728 - 1770) m 1746|| |_Sarah WILSON _______________| (1700 - 1760) m 1726 ||--Mary EMORY | (1746 - 1800)| _Ludovic GRANT ______________| | (1698 - 1757) m 1726 |_Mary GRANT _________| (1727 - 1766) m 1746| |_Elizabeth Tassel CARPENTER _+ (1706 - 1755) m 1726 --------------------------------- INDEX [235] Emory, Mary - 1/16th Shawnee-Cherokee Metis born about 1749-died after 1798 - daughter of Mary Grant-1/8th Shawnee-Cherokee Metis & William Emory-white, wife 1st 1765 of Joseph L. Martin Jr-white, 2nd 1768 of Richard Fawling-white, 3rd 1780 of Ezekial Buffington-white, mother with Martin of Samuel Martin/66, with Fawling of William/68, Ailsey/70, John Fawling/72, with Buffington of Ellis/80, Elizabeth/82, Thomas/84, Susannah/88, Annie/92 & Mary Buffington/98-all 1/32nd Shawnee-Cherokee Metis --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Rueben HEMBREE (EMORY) 1804 - 1896 BIRTH: 1804, South Carolina DEATH: 1896, Georgia Father: Abraham HEMBREE (EMORY) Mother: Winifred JACKSON --------------------------------- _William EMORY ______+ | (1728 - 1770) m 1746 _Abraham HEMBREE (EMORY) _|| (1757 - 1837) m 1783 || |_Mary GRANT _________+| (1727 - 1766) m 1746||--Rueben HEMBREE (EMORY) | (1804 - 1896)| _____________________| | |_Winifred JACKSON ________| (1760 - 1808) m 1783 | |_____________________ --------------------------------- INDEX --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Jennie VANN 1740 - Aft 1820 BIRTH: 1740, Abotts Creek, Davidson, North Carolina, USA DEATH: Aft 1820, Unknown EVENT: Informatiion: [137] Father: Edward Ned VANN Mother: Mary BARNES --------------------------------- _John Trader VANN _________________ | (1690 - 1750) m 1714 _Edward Ned VANN ____|| (1720 - 1773) m 1738|| |_Anikawi CHEROKEE _________________| (1695 - 1750) m 1714 ||--Jennie VANN | (1740 - 1820)| _Richard BARNES ___________________| | (1695 - 1750) m 1718 |_Mary BARNES ________| (1720 - 1744) m 1738| |_(Adopted) Tkikami (April) MOYTOY _+ (1691 - 1744) m 1718 --------------------------------- INDEX [137] Vann, Jennie - 1/4th Shawnee-Cherokee Metis born about 1740-died after 1820 - daughter of Edward Vann/20-1/2 Cherokee Metis & Mary Barnes/20-1/2 Shawnee Metis, sister of John Joseph/38, James/42 & Edward Ned Vann/44, half-sister of Clement/46, Thomas/48, Avery/49, Edith/50 & Susanna Vann/52-all 1/4th Shawnee-Cherokee Metis --------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6a-WIN95-UNREGISTERED (May 17 2004) on 10/11/2005 12:11:55 AM Central Standard Time. --------------------------------- Robin Longfellow WARD 1770 - Est 1840 BIRTH: 1770, Chota, City Of Refuge DEATH: Est 1840, Tennessee Father: Long Fellow WARD Mother: Anigatogewi CHEROKEE --------------------------------- _Francis (Fivekiller) WARD _+ | (1712 - 1755) _Long Fellow WARD _____|| (1736 - 1826) m 1764 || |_Tame Doe CARPENTER ________+| (1716 - 1760) ||--Robin Longfellow WARD | (1770 - 1840)| ____________________________| | |_Anigatogewi CHEROKEE _| (1745 - 1788) m 1764 | |____________________________ "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> wrote:What do you know about Willanawah....Great Eagle? Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

Extremely interesting and informative! Thanks for posting... Nancy >>0<< In a message dated 10/20/2005 6:42:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, jgreece@earthlink.net writes: In the year 1170, a ship named the Gwenan Gorn left the coast of Wales. It was commanded by a Welsh prince, Madoc ap-Owain Gwynedd, and held a group of fellow Welsh adventurers

Hi Joyce, Thank you so much for this! I have never heard it. My Cherokee line starts with Michael McDonald, b. 1750-58. He was an Itinerant Scottish trader (who migrated from VA to the Cherokee nation about 1774) married a Full Blood Cherokee Woman, her Christian name was Judy Elizabeth MADOC / MODAC / MODOC. I couldn't believe it when I saw the Madoc in the story, as I haven't seen this name on the internet very often. Michael and Judy married in 1777 in Overton Co.TN. Their daughter, Sarah Sally McDonald, b. 1778, married Jobe Carlock(Mohawk Indian), and another daughter, Nancy, married Clemmons S. Means. Patience McDonald, another of Michael and Judy McDonalds children married J.M. Turner, and this line is said to connect to my husbands Cherokee line(his line is proven). I have not yet worked on my line, but my Mother has been working on it for about 30 years. She has lots of documentation, but it is all boxed up and haven't been looked at in years. She had made several trips the east to research-in the time before computers- and when she finally got a computer, she just entered the major information. If anyone has any info on Michael McDonald and Judy Elizabeth Madoc/Modac/Modoc, I would be quite thankful to get it. Thanks again for the post! Pat Reference in a book, THE JACKSON FAMILY HISTORY , by Joe C. Jackson pub. 1988. ( Also in " The Beckoning Hand" by Joe Jackson.-I am not sure but this may be the same book as the Family History book just listed). The Jackson family comes into this through ALICIY CARLOCK , daughter of Jobe Carlock and Sarah McDonald who married Dawson Jackson and she claimed to be Cherokee and it was recorded in a Jackson Family Bible that she was 1/4 Cherokee Indian. *Michael and Judy has one other child and a grandchild from yet another child that are listed in different family Bibles that state they are also Cherokee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: Just fyi > The Legend of MadocJoe Guy is McMinn County Tennessee's Historian > > The Legend of Madoc > > “Hidden History” > > Joe Guy > >

I enjoyed that! I've never heard that before. Waddo Litwhwolf

The Legend of MadocJoe Guy is McMinn County Tennessee's Historian The Legend of Madoc “Hidden History” Joe Guy In the year 1170, a ship named the Gwenan Gorn left the coast of Wales. It was commanded by a Welsh prince, Madoc ap-Owain Gwynedd, and held a group of fellow Welsh adventurers. Madoc was the last of the 17 sons of King Owain Gwynedd, and after the death of his father Wales erupted in war between Madoc’s brothers. Having no desire to fight with his family, Madoc decided to travel to a distant land, far to the West over the ocean, a place it is believed he had visited before. The following year, it was recorded in Welsh history that Madoc’s ship had “ventured far out over the Western ocean never to return”, and so it was assumed that Madoc and his friends had been lost at sea. But a legend remained that Madoc had not perished, but had found a distant land after all. Three hundred years later, Christopher Columbus was a swash-buckling mercenary sailor known as a corsair. He had heard about Madoc in his travels between Iceland and Portugal, and Columbus was intrigued by the legend. This information was part of the reason Columbus petitioned Queen Isabella to fund the historic voyage on which he “discovered” America. Columbus, on his second voyage, saw old wrecked ships of European design in the area of the West Indies, and wrote on his map that “These are Welsh waters”. Then there is Quetzalcoatl. Quetzalcoatl was an Aztec Indian god who was pictured as a White man with a yellow beard. When Hernando Cortes invaded present day Mexico in 1520, he learned of the “white god” legend, and that Quetzalcoatl had visited the Aztecs many years before and had promised one day to return. Cortez pretended to be the fabled Quetzalcoatl, and thereby overthrew the Aztec Indians. There are those today who connect Quetzalcoatl with Madoc. In 1810, former Tennessee Governor John Sevier recorded a conversation he had had many years earlier with the famed Cherokee Chief, Oconostota. While conducting a military operation against the Cherokee in 1782, Sevier saw several strange-looking stone fortresses in the area of present day Chattanooga. He inquired of Oconostota of their origin, to which Oconostota replied: “It is handed down by the forefathers that the works had been made by the white people who had formerly occupied the country now called Carolina (Tennessee).” When Sevier asked who the white people were, the Chief answered that “he heard his father and grandfather say that they were a people called Welsh, and they had crossed the great waters and landed first at the mouth of the Alabama River near Mobile and had been driven up the heads of the waters until they arrived at Hiwassee River.” In 1854, Benjamin Bowen recorded an Indian who spoke of ancient White people who once lived on Conasauga Creek. Ev! en today, stone fortifications remain at places such as Old Stone Fort in Manchester, Tennessee, Desoto Falls on Lookout Mountain, and Fort Mountain in Chatsworth, Georgia. Archaeologists and historians remain puzzled as to who actually built these sites. Other stories remain of early hunters encountering Indians in the Appalachian region who had light skin and blue eyes. In many Indian cultures are stories of whites who had come to them long ago, long before the Spanish, “wolf” in Cherokee is “waya”, in Welsh, it is “wayman”. Shawnee words such as glass, father, old, water, and dance match the Welsh words almost exactly. Ancient Roman coins have been found in Mobile Bay, Louisville, Kentucky, and as far west as Missouri. Were they left by a twelfth-century band of Welshmen who were eventually absorbed by Native American tribes? Or is there some other explanation? Today, in Alabama’s Mobile Bay, is a marker placed by the Daughters of the American Revolution commemorating the landing of Prince Madoc at Mobile Bay in the year 1170. While the legend remains, evidence is thin. But in this piece of Hidden History is the possibility of white Welshmen who saw the beauty of East Tennessee three hundred years before Columbus set sail.

In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BAPARHAM@aol.com writes: P. S. I am not the only one doing research on the Wood side of our family if you don't mind I will share what you have sent with the other cousins. Oh Please Please do. The more the better. I am getting ready to go to bed now but, tomorrow evening I will post all I have dug up on this Wood bunch. And thank you so very much for replying to my mail. Best Regards The other Barb

In a message dated 10/17/2005 8:40:41 PM Central Daylight Time, EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com writes: Hi: I am a different Barbara a little further south and east in South Carolina. And about 20 miles south of where my GGGGrandparents were married Pendelton SC. Selah Pentacost and Green Wood. Green Wood is son of Ethelred Wood and Dicey Bagby both from Dinwiddle Va. One of Selah and Green Wood's daughters Elizabeth Jean Wood married Satterwhite Hallmark Jan 15 1842 in Jasper Ga. Would these be your line??? Regards The other Barbara Hi Barbara, I know very little about him as my grandmother never did discuss her Grandfather Samuel and never talked about her Grandmother Rachel. The legend that has came down is that Grandpa Wood would not put his family on the rolls because of the intermarriages with the black slaves. I know from the time my Greatgrandma Amanda was born in Virginia in 1852 the time had passed for them to come on the Trail of Tears. I think that they were told not to talk about their Indian blood. I have a picture of Rachel and she sure looks Native American, my little Grandma did too. I will keep your email in my files and maybe someday my brick wall will come down. Thank you for asking. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America P. S. I am not the only one doing research on the Wood side of our family if you don't mind I will share what you have sent with the other cousins.

Hi: I am a different Barbara a little further south and east in South Carolina. And about 20 miles south of where my GGGGrandparents were married Pendelton SC. Selah Pentacost and Green Wood. Green Wood is son of Ethelred Wood and Dicey Bagby both from Dinwiddle Va. One of Selah and Green Wood's daughters Elizabeth Jean Wood married Satterwhite Hallmark Jan 15 1842 in Jasper Ga. Would these be your line??? Regards The other Barbara

Please excuse my error Joy Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Joy King To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Brock DNA Results You might want to revise that to no FEMALE NA DNA ;-) Most of the male lines do have very early MALE NA ancestry http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> > Source: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Brock DNA Results > These results most assuredly put very serious doubts on the Chief Red > Bird/Aaron/Jesse theories that have floated around the internet for quite > sometime. The Sizemore DNA also reveals that there is NO kinship between > any Sizemore descendents and Brock descendents...thus disproving the > supposed marriage between Jesse Brock and Rhoda Sizemore. The Sizemore > also does NOT reveal NA heritage. > > Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Brock DNA Results These results most assuredly put very serious doubts on the Chief Red Bird/Aaron/Jesse theories that have floated around the internet for quite sometime. The Sizemore DNA also reveals that there is NO kinship between any Sizemore descendents and Brock descendents...thus disproving the supposed marriage between Jesse Brock and Rhoda Sizemore. The Sizemore also does NOT reveal NA heritage. Joyce Gaston Reece ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

You might want to revise that to no FEMALE NA DNA ;-) Most of the male lines do have very early MALE NA ancestry http://www.genpage.com/history_surname.html. Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> > Source: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Brock DNA Results > These results most assuredly put very serious doubts on the Chief Red > Bird/Aaron/Jesse theories that have floated around the internet for quite > sometime. The Sizemore DNA also reveals that there is NO kinship between > any Sizemore descendents and Brock descendents...thus disproving the > supposed marriage between Jesse Brock and Rhoda Sizemore. The Sizemore > also does NOT reveal NA heritage. > > Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Brock DNA Results These results most assuredly put very serious doubts on the Chief Red Bird/Aaron/Jesse theories that have floated around the internet for quite sometime. The Sizemore DNA also reveals that there is NO kinship between any Sizemore descendents and Brock descendents...thus disproving the supposed marriage between Jesse Brock and Rhoda Sizemore. The Sizemore also does NOT reveal NA heritage. Joyce Gaston Reece

ok, i too am doing research on the Wood branch, but have not gotten to far yet; wonder if they might connect somewhere!!! EVERETTLATTIMORE@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:56:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, BAPARHAM@aol.com writes: P. S. I am not the only one doing research on the Wood side of our family if you don't mind I will share what you have sent with the other cousins. Oh Please Please do. The more the better. I am getting ready to go to bed now but, tomorrow evening I will post all I have dug up on this Wood bunch. And thank you so very much for replying to my mail. Best Regards The other Barb ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

I am NOT an expert on DNA results so will put this statement in layman's terms. DNA testing has been completed and posted at www.sekybrocks.com on descendents of Jesse Brock and Mary Osborne. NONE of these results reveal any Native American heritage in this lineage. mtDNA tests run on the sister of Jesse Brock (Mahala) also disprove any NA heritage. These results most assuredly put very serious doubts on the Chief Red Bird/Aaron/Jesse theories that have floated around the internet for quite sometime. The Sizemore DNA also reveals that there is NO kinship between any Sizemore descendents and Brock descendents...thus disproving the supposed marriage between Jesse Brock and Rhoda Sizemore. The Sizemore also does NOT reveal NA heritage. Joyce Gaston Reece

In a message dated 10/17/2005 1:49:18 PM Central Daylight Time, s3js@cox.net writes: Hello, Barbara! Remind me who your Wood folk are, please? Susan, I start with Samuel Wood married to Rachel Graham, their children were Amanda, Green Berry, Ann, Lizza, Elick and Charles. Samuel was born in Virginia as was Amanda and Green Berry unknown about the other children. The only time I have found him was in the 1880 Young County Texas Census. Rachel I have found nothing on her but hearsay is she was born in West Virginia. We have traced Green Berry from Texas to where he died in California but still have not found where Samuel or Rachel died and she was not on the 1880 census he had another wife listed with him there. Amanda was my Great-grandmother so I have most on her. Any help would be wonderful. Thank you very much. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

In a message dated 10/17/2005 12:28:59 PM Central Daylight Time, wb@wvi.com writes: So every one on vacation or stuck trying to find Scots? Dan M No, I am still trying to find my Wood and Graham who were supposed to be Cherokee but have not found anything on paper yet but still chopping on that tree. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America