To vent about Read this and pass it on http://www.theonion.com/content/node/42166 Dan M

In a message dated 11/13/2005 7:12:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, luraj@triad.rr.com writes: Long ago I gave up believing that all the genealogy material I found online was accurate, but I thought the mistakes were there by accident or ignorance. Now I learn from the Utah "Desert News" and Eastman's Genealogy Newsletter that totally false genealogies are being fabricated just to post advertisements on the web with them. You can read about this at the following sites. Lura http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,635160683,00.html and _http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/11/generating_fake.htm l_ (http://eogn.typepad.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/11/generating_fake.html) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is dispicable and greedy. I have always verified & used internet genealogies as "leads" - simply because honest mistakes are made. But to think that that someone is doing this on purpose - should be illegal, as FRAUD. Perhaps we should all report any instances of these to all of our groups and post records on the sites /internet of known offenders... Would LOVE to see them get caught... THANK YOU FOR THE NOTICE AND LINKS... I am forwarding this message to some of my other groups... Nancy J. Capps Cumberland County, NC <<<0>>>

Thanks Now back to regular genealogy here. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Serenity4us2@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 6:06 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] NOTICE Re: [NCSAMPSO] Fake Family Trees >

I wanted to add Mary SHINE -Westbrooks father MAY have also been YONG/YONG. (Many of my lines descending from the WESTBROOKs carries the 1st or 2cd name YONG/YUNG/YOUNG, from unknown origen). The previously posted name(s) YON/YUN comes from another descendant branch of this SHINE-WESTBROOK line. So they all may also be possibilities... In a message dated 11/8/2005 8:38:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Serenity4us2@aol.com writes: ANYONE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF MARY SHINE WESTBROOK or SHINE/SHINN FAMILY? Does the name YON or YUN fit with anyone?

Thomas Ridley WESTBROOK, b.1767 married Mary SHINE (May be spelled SHINN) Her father was Cherokee or Choctaw, possibly name Yon or Yun. (According to family information-Cherokee) Thomas Ridley Westbrook was born in NC and married in NC > migrated to GA. Their sons: Wesley b. 1796 William b.1798 Ridley b.abt 1800 Littleton b 1805 Thomas Ridley Jr. b.1806 Deberimon b.1815 *Several of these had sons named Willliam. ANYONE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF MARY SHINE WESTBROOK or SHINE/SHINN FAMILY? Wado, Nancy <)0>>

May I ask where your Owens are from? Mine are from IN and IL. I don't have a lot researched on this line but I do have some. Waddo Little White Wolf "Litwhwolf"

Jerri; Thank you for the fast reply, caught me off guard. Appreciate your help, have a great week-end. Glenda "The true joy of getting to know our ancestors that have gone on before us, is fulfilled through the Genealogy and Family History we gather and share with our descendants and extended family of Researchers" GMNS. clifford.glenda1@juno.com Surnames: McCoy,Roberts,Livingston,Ellison,Denison,Rogers,Blalock,Bartley,Pierce,Tu rman, Owens,Raney,Jones,Webb,Scaife,Johnson,DeShazo,Sherer Etc..

Rodgers: Unknown, 107, Betsy 47, Robert 47. Rogers: Capt. 108, 109, Capt. John 108, 109 No Bartley. ~Jerri --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

THANK YOU CAROLYNE! Our LEEs include a very LONG line of ministers, and since they did branch off that way It is probable he is the same. They also went by initials many times- so often it is hard to determine proof without further research. This does give me a good lead to research! Bless you. Have a wonderful day! Nancy <<0>> In a message dated 11/3/2005 12:46:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, carolyne_cwy@yahoo.ca writes: Are there any LEEs or STRICKLANDs listed? No Stricklands in the index. There is a Lee mentioned on page 263; the Rev. W.J. Lee is among a list of pastors at the Mulberry Baptist Church between 1867-1903. Since W.J. Lee is listed first, I presume he was the first known pastor at that church. It was located in Beat 3, about 6 miles southwest of Centreville, on what is now State Highway 25. Carolyne

At 10:01 PM -0600 11/3/05, clifford.glenda1@juno.com wrote: >Carolyn; > Would you please check for ROGERS RODGERS BARTLEY..........Thank you >very much for the offer, it is appreciated. Glenda McCoy Siegrist Once again, no luck. Carolyne

At 12:31 PM -0600 11/3/05, walsie wrote: > >Looking for Downing and Vann's. Walsie No Downings or Vanns. So far I'm not being much help to anyone. Sorry, Carolyne

Jerry; Could I also get you to check for ROGERS RODGERS BARTLEY surnames for me, I appreciate the offer and sure can use the help. Thanks Glenda McCoy Siegrist "The true joy of getting to know our ancestors that have gone on before us, is fulfilled through the Genealogy and Family History we gather and share with our descendants and extended family of Researchers" GMNS. clifford.glenda1@juno.com Surnames: McCoy,Roberts,Livingston,Ellison,Denison,Rogers,Blalock,Bartley,Pierce,Tu rman, Owens,Raney,Jones,Webb,Scaife,Johnson,DeShazo,Sherer Etc..

Carolyn; Would you please check for ROGERS RODGERS BARTLEY..........Thank you very much for the offer, it is appreciated. Glenda McCoy Siegrist "The true joy of getting to know our ancestors that have gone on before us, is fulfilled through the Genealogy and Family History we gather and share with our descendants and extended family of Researchers" GMNS. clifford.glenda1@juno.com Surnames: McCoy,Roberts,Livingston,Ellison,Denison,Rogers,Blalock,Bartley,Pierce,Tu rman, Owens,Raney,Jones,Webb,Scaife,Johnson,DeShazo,Sherer Etc..

Thanks Bettye But the newspaper clipping says Bear Creek Community of Tuscaloosa. :0 Thanks again Sharon Cobb

Oh..by the way... My brother married the step daughter to a Downing. He is most definately native american. He lives over in Gattman Mississippi which is just outside of Sulligent Alabama. If your familiar with the area...that is about an hours drive or so from Tuscaloosa. Tootles Sharon

My great great grandmother, said to be full blood cherokee but I've since decided she must not have been full..based on the ONLY person I can find that fits her at all...in any of the census records, was also from around the Bear Creek area in Tuscaloosa. I would be interested to just learn more about the area itself in terms of it possibly being an area for native american communities. Anyone know? Thanks Sharon P.S. my great great grandmother was a Lett and a newspaper article has her (if it is HER) marrying a Boover man in someone's home in Bear Creek.

I am interested in Ave Vann and Jack Downing if it wouldn't be to much trouble. Walsie J. Lynn wrote: >Have a few Downings...Betsy, Jack, Jim, Martin, William, and Unknown. Also Vanns...Unknown, Andrew, Ave, David, J., Joseph and Margaret. > >Which ones are yours? > >They are too involved to transcribe so many. You may want to purchase the book for yourself. I got mine at the Cherokee Nation Gift Shop in Tahlequah but there are likely other places. > >Jerri > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > >

Sharon, there is a Bear Creek in Marion County, AL - you will find this on the map in the northeast corner between Hackleburg and Haleyville. I have cemetery inscriptions for burials prior to 1979 as that is when the book was published. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Cobb" <sycobb@comcast.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Bear Creek area, Bibb and Tuscaloosa County, Alab... > My great great grandmother, said to be full blood cherokee but I've since > decided she must not have been full..based on the ONLY person I can find > that fits her at all...in any of the census records, was also from around > the Bear Creek area in Tuscaloosa. I would be interested to just learn > more > about the area itself in terms of it possibly being an area for native > american communities. > > > Anyone know? > > Thanks > Sharon > > P.S. my great great grandmother was a Lett and a newspaper article has her > (if it is HER) marrying a Boover man in someone's home in Bear Creek. > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Jack Downing is on pages 185, 197, 198 and 200. Ave Vann is on page 152, but the old timey handwriting is hard to decipher. I will try to scan it and send it as an attachment. Jerri --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

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