Joy, I don't think anyone has, but, even if someone had extracted everyone marked Indian, it wouldn't reflect all the Indians actually on the census. Some were marked white and some were marked colored, and some Negro, depending on the area in which they lived, the mood or education of the enumerator, and sometimes even their financial status. Carolyne At 2:25 PM -0500 12/2/05, Joy King wrote: >I've noticed in the Ancestry.com description of info included for >each census year, they do *not* mention the inclusion of persons of >Indian descent not living on reservations starting with the 1860 >census, as stated in THE SOURCE A Guidebook of American Genealogy. >Ancestry has no race search options on the 1860 census and only >"colored or white" options on the 1870 census. For the 1880 they do >have all of the options including Indian. > >I have come across some of the Indian listings in the 1860 & 1870 SC >& AL censuses. Do you know if anyone has extracted these from all of >the states? > >Joy

Judy, I've noticed in the Ancestry.com description of info included for each census year, they do *not* mention the inclusion of persons of Indian descent not living on reservations starting with the 1860 census, as stated in THE SOURCE A Guidebook of American Genealogy. Ancestry has no race search options on the 1860 census and only "colored or white" options on the 1870 census. For the 1880 they do have all of the options including Indian. I have come across some of the Indian listings in the 1860 & 1870 SC & AL censuses. Do you know if anyone has extracted these from all of the states? Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:10 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Free Look ups Native American research for the 20th century has been buoyed by the inclusion of all Native Americans in the 1900 census. Whether enumerated within the Indian Territory, or enumerated on the many reservations spread out across the United States, Native Americans were finally being counted.

Native American Nations in cooperation with Ancestry and AccessGenealogy is proud to provide our visitors the complete 1900 census FREE until 15 December 2005! This includes both the every name index and all census images. To view this census, you do not need an Ancestry membership, nor do you need to provide your credit card details. All you need to provide is your email address and your name! Native American research for the 20th century has been buoyed by the inclusion of all Native Americans in the 1900 census. Whether enumerated within the Indian Territory, or enumerated on the many reservations spread out across the United States, Native Americans were finally being counted. This provides the researcher a great and mostly unused tool in the search for their Native American ancestors. Finding these Native Americans has gotten a lot easier with Ancestry's recent indexing of the 1900 census. While the index is complete, it's not perfect. The writing of some enumerators was poor, and the quality of some census pages is lacking. While you can search first, be prepared to browse their census images keeping the following tips in mind: Most Indian schedules were added to the end of county listings. For some states however, the Indian schedules were added to the end of the state. A non-Indian MAY be enumerated on the Indian schedule, if they were detached from their family and living with an Indian family. A Native American MAY be enumerated on the general population schedule, if they were detached from their Indian family and living with a white, or black family. For their own personal reasons, many Native Americans failed to claim their heritage during the 1900 census... they ended up enumerated as white or black. As well, some whites and blacks listed themselves as Indian, when they were in fact, not. While the 1900 census in and of itself does not prove or disprove your Native American history, it can add yet one more fact in favor, or not in favor of that claim. The census being opened up to NANations and AccessGenealogy is not limited to just the section for the Native Americans, it is the COMPLETE 1900 census index and images, and all are free... you just need your name and email to login. Good luck! http://www.nanations.com/ To further your Native American research check out AccessGenealogy's extensive Native American rolls, and smaller census listings... http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/ Please feel free to pass the links on to family, friends and other lists. Judy

From Court REcords Index of Roane Co, TN Chancery Book 1824--1845 Volume 5, Issue 3, March 1874, page 19 Will of Toqua or Toka, commonly called Toka Will, was one of the Cherokee Indians belonging to their nation until 14 June 1819 when he became a citizen of the United States of America...head of an Indians family, took a reservation under the treaties between the United States and the Cherokee Nation dated 8 Jan 1817 and 27 Feb 1819. Toka Will is now an old man. He had resided with his family for more than 30 years in a town called Toqua. It contained the remains of the mother of his children and some of them also and there he had afterwards lived with his second wife until he had almost raised two families, while the bones of his ancestors were deposited and lay in the surrounding country. December Term 1828 pp448*457 __________ You folks need to pay particular attention to the wording of this abstract. Toka Will became a US citizen BECAUSE of his reservation....therefore relinquished any claim to the later given payements of the Guion Miller/Dawes Rolls people. The reservation should have gone back to the state upon his death but other things could have happened. This is just one of the reasons you might see someone you KNOW is Cherokee not counted or recognized as such. Joyce Gaston Reece

The latest addition to Native American Genealogy: Cessions of Land by Indian Tribes in Indiana http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian_lands_indiana.htm We have 2 sets of Indian Images, one also has biographies Indian Portraits http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/indian_portraits_index.htm Indian Portraits and Biographies http://www.nanations.com/chiefs_leaders.htm I have also increased the Canada Directory A-M if any of your ancestors came from the North, hundreds of names http://www.canadiangenealogy.net/canada_directory.htm Please feel free to pass on the links Thanks Judy Homepages http://www.itsjudy.com Trade Recipes http://www.traderecipesonline.com Lavish Treats http://www.lavishtreats.com Ask the Ladies http://www.asktheladies.com

You can find a 32 page document with biblography and references at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Behind RECORDS Scroll down to "C", look for Cherokee Biographys. The one on Will Emory (Jr.) mentions Watts several times. Joyce Gaston Reece

Please !!!! > You can join > CHEROKEE-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com > > To discuss DNA more freely also. > This just a reminder we have that list. > Dan M >

By the way Michael...autosomal DNA is not used for purposes of genealogy or blood lines. Autsomal DNA is a swap between parents so it is all jumbled up. It is only the sex chromosoms that do not get jumbled from generation to generation. They do sometimes have a mutation or deletion over time which is very common in all DNA but they do not swap information between parents as the autosomal does. This is why sex chromosoms are used in genealogy and autosomal chromosoms are used to identify a person ( forensics ). Hope this helps! Sharon

Hey Bettye The markers are actually the number of markers on the DNA that they check; 12 through 37. The more markers you have checked the more accurately you can be matched to others with a common ancestor. Tootles Sharon

But Michael, it would still depend on where it originated from. If your mother was 1/4 Native American from her father it would not show up on the mtDNA ( maternal line DNA ). This is because the mtDNA comes from mother to mother. This is the test performed on the X from the female parent. If your father was 1/4 from his mother's line then it would not show up on the Y DNA test because the Y comes from the father. It gets a little confusing but it really depends on how the blood comes down the line. Like wise, your mother could never take the Y test to check her blood from her father because she doesn't get a Y..she gets an X from him too. I'm not sure if there is an X test from male to female available currently. You or your brother could check your mother's DNA by having the X test performed. However, you still run into the problem if it was your mother's father who was native american. Your mother would have gotten an X from him and not a Y for the Y DNA testing. So performing the mtDNA test on you and your brother for your mom would still not show it. This is not to say she isn't native american from her father's blood. I have had some DNA work done. I'll check to see if there is a more comprehensive DNA test available but I don't think it is. If I need to explain more let me know and I will give you some clearer examples. Tootles Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re:DNA testing/ James Armstrong LEA > Both of my parents are 1/4 native american, so I get the indian blood > equally from both of them. This is why I was dissapointed in my brothers > dna test results. > > Michael > > > It depends on where the Native American blood came from as to if you show > > it > > on a DNA test. > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Happy Thanksgiving, Susan and all on the list. If I may butt in, on my paternal side of my parents, I have family connections to Davy Crockett besides chasing my maternal Indian heredity. The reason I mention this on this site is that the Crockett - L site is as active as the Cherokee sites. They have been very active in these DNA tests, and found that the first one they sought to do the testing, left much to be desired as Mr. Matherly implies from his brothers test. The best I can tell ya'll about the Crockett DNA testing (my Crockett goes back to a gr.gr.gr.grandmother, Nancy Crockett married to Martin Wiginton/Wigginton) so I am not eligble to have testing done. These folks speak of 12 markers up to 37 markers - I read this to mean the number of ways they test the mouth swab the participant submits. And the tests run up to and about $200. I can go back thru my files and pass on the place that has been chosen in the last testing if anyone is interested; otherwise, I will not. It has been an interestng summer and fall as those who have always thought their relationship to the coon skin capped one was direct and suddenly there is no kinship. Some crowed pretty loud, but they withdrew quietly! My paternal ancestry in this country dates back to 1620 and Jamestown Colony, and we are working on my maternal Dyer line (his wife was the half Cherokee as this couple dates back to 1790 & 1795 ca birth years.) Bettye Woodhull betron1@sbcglobal.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <s3js@cox.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Census Classification > There were some listed in earlier years as I or IN. The 1870 census in > Freedom Township Polk Co., AR lists several Quintons as I. I think it > probably all depended on the enumerator. > > Blessings! > Susan > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Both of my parents are 1/4 native american, so I get the indian blood equally from both of them. This is why I was dissapointed in my brothers dna test results. Michael > It depends on where the Native American blood came from as to if you show > it > on a DNA test.

By the way, there was no option for Native American on the census until around 1900 I believe it was..or slightly there after. Can anyone be a bit more specific about this? Of course, depending on the year, they probably would not list they were Native American due to removal. Tootles Sharon

It depends on where the Native American blood came from as to if you show it on a DNA test. If, for example, it came from your mother then doing the Y DNA test would not show it because the Y came from your father not your mother. In fact, it will only show what was passed from male to male (great granddaddy, grandaddy, father, you) and not take into account any of the females in that line. Like wise, doing the mtDNA test ( maternial line ) will only show what was handed down from mother to mother with no account for ANY of the males at all. If the native blood came from your mother's father it would be more difficult to pick up on a DNA test..in fact, I'm not entirely sure it would be picked up on a DNA test. There may be a more comprehensive test that would show it that I am not aware of, however. Hope this helps Sharon > My siblings and I are 1/4 Cherokee. My older brother paid to have his DNA > tested. He got the results back ion two and 1/2 weeks saying he had 0% > indian blood. I don't think the Company even tested his sample or they > definately made a mistake > > I am going to get the automosal DNA test,so I will know how much I > am,exactly.I hope relative genetics are accurate. > > If anyone can tell me anything about DNA tests,about accuracy and all,I > > would deeply appreciate it. Sincerel,Derek > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

My siblings and I are 1/4 Cherokee. My older brother paid to have his DNA tested. He got the results back ion two and 1/2 weeks saying he had 0% indian blood. I don't think the Company even tested his sample or they definately made a mistake I am going to get the automosal DNA test,so I will know how much I am,exactly.I hope relative genetics are accurate. > If anyone can tell me anything about DNA tests,about accuracy and all,I > would deeply appreciate it. Sincerel,Derek

There were some listed in earlier years as I or IN. The 1870 census in Freedom Township Polk Co., AR lists several Quintons as I. I think it probably all depended on the enumerator. Blessings! Susan

You can join CHEROKEE-DNA-L-request@rootsweb.com To discuss DNA more freely also. This just a reminder we have that list. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 10:07 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re:DNA testing/ James Armstrong LEA > My siblings and I are 1/4 Cherokee. My older brother paid to have his DNA > tested. He got the results back ion two and 1/2 weeks saying he had 0% > indian blood. I don't think the Company even tested his sample or they > definately made a mistake > > I am going to get the automosal DNA test,so I will know how much I > am,exactly.I hope relative genetics are accurate. > > If anyone can tell me anything about DNA tests,about accuracy and all,I > > would deeply appreciate it. Sincerel,Derek > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

I have been told after all of my life that my Mother's maternal Grandfather,and my Father's Paternal Grandfather had alot of Indian in them.And I am proud to be part Native American.Im guessing that Im more then 1-16th.Maybe 1-8th N.A.I. so far everyone of my ancestors I have found on the Federal American census has said they were white.And I know that my family is telling me the truth,because not only do they look Native American,it wasn't popular at all,to say you were Native American.But from where my native american ancestors were from,Im sure they werent all Cherokee.I believe definately Muscogee Creek,and Muscogee Creek Seminole,and only a little bit of Cherokee.I am all Native American Indian,at heart.I am going to get the automosal DNA test,so I will know how much I am,exactly.I hope relative genetics are accurate. If anyone can tell me anything about DNA tests,about accuracy and all,I would deeply appreciate it. Sincerel,Derek Preston Washington <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> wrote: James Armstrong Lea c. 1817-1848 is connected to the Nancy Ward line....... James Armstrong LEA (son of Luke LEA and Susan Wells MCCORMICK) was born about 1817 in ,Knox, TN. He died in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. He was buried in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. Minerva Jane Lee WALKER and James Armstrong LEA were married in 1844. They were divorced on 12 NOV 1846. Preston ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

I have been told after all of my life that my Mother's maternal Grandfather,and my Father's Paternal Grandfather had alot of Indian in them.And I am proud to be part Native American.Im guessing that Im more then 1-16th.Maybe 1-8th N.A.I. so far everyone of my ancestors I have found on the Federal American census has said they were white.And I know that my family is telling me the truth,because not only do they look Native American,it wasn't popular at all,to say you were Native American.But from where my native american ancestors were from,Im sure they werent all Cherokee.I believe definately Muscogee Creek,and Muscogee Creek Seminole,and only a little bit of Cherokee.I am all Native American Indian,at heart.I am going to get the automosal DNA test,so I will know how much I am,exactly.I hope relative genetics are accurate. If anyone can tell me anything about DNA tests,about accuracy and all,I would deeply appreciate it. Preston Washington <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> wrote: James Armstrong Lea c. 1817-1848 is connected to the Nancy Ward line....... James Armstrong LEA (son of Luke LEA and Susan Wells MCCORMICK) was born about 1817 in ,Knox, TN. He died in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. He was buried in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. Minerva Jane Lee WALKER and James Armstrong LEA were married in 1844. They were divorced on 12 NOV 1846. Preston ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

James Armstrong Lea c. 1817-1848 is connected to the Nancy Ward line....... James Armstrong LEA (son of Luke LEA and Susan Wells MCCORMICK) was born about 1817 in ,Knox, TN. He died in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. He was buried in APR 1848 in Nation Bridge,Mexico. Minerva Jane Lee WALKER and James Armstrong LEA were married in 1844. They were divorced on 12 NOV 1846. Preston