Dan tell's me that the emailed biography bounced cause it was toooooo big so I've temporarily up[loaded it to www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 RECORDS to "D" Sorry about that ladies...I didn't realize it had bounced. Joyce Gaston Reece

Joyce, the link-on the page-isn't living. Preston

this is just a mail test. seems some people are bouncing by a link. I am testing to see what happens with no links except the list signature lines. Dan M

Strange All AOL is bouncing those links. Dan M

Joyce, Things are pretty crazy with the holiday preparations.. I seem to have lost the original link to the article you are referring to here. May I please have it again and I will check it out. Thanks a bunch, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <jgreece@earthlink.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Dragging Canoe Article > I was hoping some of you would have comments concerning the Dragging Canoe article. > > This article is backed by some fairly 'forceful' documentation. D.C.'s birthdate and place (1740's in Malaquo in the Overhills) is ascertained from John Brown's Old Frontiers....a reference adhered to by many. > > There seems to be a closer relationship to Captain John Stuart than expected. John S. was second in command at Fort Loudon from 1756 to 1760. Stuart was close to Attakullakulla and had a child (Bushyhead) by Susannah Emory....dtr of Robert Emory and Catherine Grant (dtr of Ludovic Grant and Eugihooti). Attakullakulla (The Little Carpenter), was the one who saved Stuarts life after the Bell Town Massacre near Tellico Plains just after the fall of Fort Loudon. > > Alexander Cameron is given credit for many of the red haired children that were present during this time. > > On page 177 it speaks of a group of whites traveling to Kentucky who were ambushed by a Shawnee war band. They weren't all Shawnee....some were Cherokee. Capt. Will Emory was with them. Daniel Boone recognized him....called him by name. > > Question: Wasn't "Cherokee Billy" or Will given as the name of the person who was supposed to have been murdered in Kentucky when the Red Bird was killed? THis is the one who many say was the progenitor of the Cherokee blood in the Brock lineage. > > On page 180 it tells of the packtrain of ammo sent to Chota. Just FYI, Tahlonteeskee was the leader of the band whom Dragging Canoe sent to confiscate the goods. > > When reading this article one should remember something. The Overhill people were always much more in favor of peace than the followers of Dragging Canoe were. This article seems to, somewhat, belittle the Beloved Men & Women of the Overhills because they favored peace. It was two different beliefs....two different ways of life. I don't think it is up to us to second guess either faction. We can try to understand but we weren't there and it will be very difficult for us to grasp how they felt. The Overhill people looked at DC as a threat to their way of life. They took it so far as to turn Alex Cameron and DC over to the Americans to help stop a war. That is when he moved into the area of the Chickmauga villages. > > It is also important to note that 'a number' of Dragging Canoe's men were WHITE men or men of mixed blood who were often more white than Cherokee. > > Any one else have comments? > > > > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > >

Re peat to see if it gets to the AOL this way <> > ======================= > There is a bit of fun looking up things on the net, you get so many results. > I was looking at websites and posting them on other lists, I see they are > getting transferred around as interesting topics from list to list.. > So here is a list of all the websites I looked at regarding > Dragging Canoe > << enjoy >> the sites, they all work, I have read them all recently. > ==== I have over 25,000 sites I have looked at since 1998=== > 2000+ are on my website those lead to thousands more....enjoy l;-) > > http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/people/canoe.html > http://cita.chattanooga.org/slcmdc/timeline.html > http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_15857.asp > http://www.angelfire.com/tn/trbccscn/trbcc2.html > http://members.fortunecity.com/gwolf2/dragging.html > http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/06_03/06_18_03/mtn_voices.html > http://www.chikamaka.org/timeline.htm > http://www.forttours.com/pages/tocftnashborough.asp > http://www.turtlehill.org/stt2/chic.html > http://cita.chattanooga.org/mb/MBhstry.htm > http://www.angelfire.com/al2/gasaguali/SOGWILI.HTM > http://www.prophecykeepers.com/chickamaugacherokee/chickamaugaconfederacy.html > http://www.prophecykeepers.com/chickamaugacherokee/chickamaugahtown.html > http://cherokeehistory.com/chickama.html > http://members.tripod.com/~SmithDRay/nancyward-index-5.html > http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/treaty/treaty.html > http://www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/DraggingCanoe.html > http://www.shawnee-traditions.com/Names-5.html > http://willbraffitt.org/roots/ps07/ps07_354.html > http://www.nativestudy.com/Cherokee%20Biography.html > http://trox11.tripod.com/native/cornwedding.htm > http://www.cherokee.org/Phoenix/XXVno3_Summer2001/ArtCulturePage.asp?ID=1 > http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cherokee_nation/30397 > http://www.traveltoday.com/history/Chattanooga/TN/USA > http://www.nativenashville.com/History/fort.htm > http://www.duke.edu/~cpb4/greene%20project%20final/devestation.doc > http://www.talmadge.net/art/cherokee_dragon.htm > http://www.cherokeeobserver.org/keetoowah/octissue97.html > > > Dan M >

No one in AOL seemed to have got these. I got a long line of ALL AOLers that AOL refused to send this to the members. Dan M

----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Dragging Canoe Bio/Dead Link > Joyce, the link-on the page-isn't living. > Preston ======================= There is a bit of fun looking up things on the net, you get so many results. I was looking at websites and posting them on other lists, I see they are getting transferred around as interesting topics from list to list.. So here is a list of all the websites I looked at regarding Dragging Canoe << enjoy >> the sites, they all work, I have read them all recently. ==== I have over 25,000 sites I have looked at since 1998=== 2000+ are on my website those lead to thousands more....enjoy l;-) http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/people/canoe.html http://cita.chattanooga.org/slcmdc/timeline.html http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article_15857.asp http://www.angelfire.com/tn/trbccscn/trbcc2.html http://members.fortunecity.com/gwolf2/dragging.html http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/06_03/06_18_03/mtn_voices.html http://www.chikamaka.org/timeline.htm http://www.forttours.com/pages/tocftnashborough.asp http://www.turtlehill.org/stt2/chic.html http://cita.chattanooga.org/mb/MBhstry.htm http://www.angelfire.com/al2/gasaguali/SOGWILI.HTM http://www.prophecykeepers.com/chickamaugacherokee/chickamaugaconfederacy.html http://www.prophecykeepers.com/chickamaugacherokee/chickamaugahtown.html http://cherokeehistory.com/chickama.html http://members.tripod.com/~SmithDRay/nancyward-index-5.html http://victorian.fortunecity.com/rothko/420/aniyuntikwalaski/treaty/treaty.html http://www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/DraggingCanoe.html http://www.shawnee-traditions.com/Names-5.html http://willbraffitt.org/roots/ps07/ps07_354.html http://www.nativestudy.com/Cherokee%20Biography.html http://trox11.tripod.com/native/cornwedding.htm http://www.cherokee.org/Phoenix/XXVno3_Summer2001/ArtCulturePage.asp?ID=1 http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/cherokee_nation/30397 http://www.traveltoday.com/history/Chattanooga/TN/USA http://www.nativenashville.com/History/fort.htm http://www.duke.edu/~cpb4/greene%20project%20final/devestation.doc http://www.talmadge.net/art/cherokee_dragon.htm http://www.cherokeeobserver.org/keetoowah/octissue97.html Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat

I was hoping some of you would have comments concerning the Dragging Canoe article. This article is backed by some fairly 'forceful' documentation. D.C.'s birthdate and place (1740's in Malaquo in the Overhills) is ascertained from John Brown's Old Frontiers....a reference adhered to by many. There seems to be a closer relationship to Captain John Stuart than expected. John S. was second in command at Fort Loudon from 1756 to 1760. Stuart was close to Attakullakulla and had a child (Bushyhead) by Susannah Emory....dtr of Robert Emory and Catherine Grant (dtr of Ludovic Grant and Eugihooti). Attakullakulla (The Little Carpenter), was the one who saved Stuarts life after the Bell Town Massacre near Tellico Plains just after the fall of Fort Loudon. Alexander Cameron is given credit for many of the red haired children that were present during this time. On page 177 it speaks of a group of whites traveling to Kentucky who were ambushed by a Shawnee war band. They weren't all Shawnee....some were Cherokee. Capt. Will Emory was with them. Daniel Boone recognized him....called him by name. Question: Wasn't "Cherokee Billy" or Will given as the name of the person who was supposed to have been murdered in Kentucky when the Red Bird was killed? THis is the one who many say was the progenitor of the Cherokee blood in the Brock lineage. On page 180 it tells of the packtrain of ammo sent to Chota. Just FYI, Tahlonteeskee was the leader of the band whom Dragging Canoe sent to confiscate the goods. When reading this article one should remember something. The Overhill people were always much more in favor of peace than the followers of Dragging Canoe were. This article seems to, somewhat, belittle the Beloved Men & Women of the Overhills because they favored peace. It was two different beliefs....two different ways of life. I don't think it is up to us to second guess either faction. We can try to understand but we weren't there and it will be very difficult for us to grasp how they felt. The Overhill people looked at DC as a threat to their way of life. They took it so far as to turn Alex Cameron and DC over to the Americans to help stop a war. That is when he moved into the area of the Chickmauga villages. It is also important to note that 'a number' of Dragging Canoe's men were WHITE men or men of mixed blood who were often more white than Cherokee. Any one else have comments? Joyce Gaston Reece

In a message dated 12/22/2005 1:21:15 PM Central Standard Time, everettlattimore@aol.com writes: Ok ya'll, I bring you to work with me, Turn my back and run off. Can't take ya anywhere>SMILE Barb SC Sorry Barb, SC been hanging out with my son today had a great day. Barbara In Oklahoma Native America

Ok ya'll, I bring you to work with me, Turn my back and run off. Can't take ya anywhere>SMILE Barb SC

Do you like that "She Crab Soup" that is supposed to the so popular? N o o o o!, my son had taken his family to SC the year before we went and guess they ''bit" for a bowl!, and warned my curosity buds to stay clear of "that stuff". Bill told me even the McDonald's sold She Crab Soup. Okay, now you can tell all these friends what She Crab Soup is! Bettye in No. Central Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <everettlattimore@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Work > Ok ya'll, I bring you to work with me, Turn my back and run > off. > Can't take ya anywhere>SMILE > > > Barb SC > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

You must have the most priviledged work place in the world! if they let all of us tag along. . .Bettye in North Central Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: <everettlattimore@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Work > Ok ya'll, I bring you to work with me, Turn my back and run > off. > Can't take ya anywhere>SMILE > > > Barb SC > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

This is not the chat list See below or CHEROKEE-L@rootsweb.com sum one got caught <snicker> Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Work > Do you like that "She Crab Soup" that is supposed to the so popular? N > o o o o!, my son had taken his family to SC the year before we went and > guess they ''bit" for a bowl!, and warned my curosity buds to stay clear of > "that stuff". Bill told me even the McDonald's sold She Crab Soup. Okay, > now you can tell all these friends what She Crab Soup is! Bettye in No. > Central Texas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <everettlattimore@aol.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 1:20 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Work > > > > Ok ya'll, I bring you to work with me, Turn my back and run > > off. > > Can't take ya anywhere>SMILE > > > > > > Barb SC > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > > Please Good manors and no flaming others > > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > > You can also find what you need search the archives > > or to get off this list via web site below > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Maxine Glee, on this list is the Martin expert. Many of them descend from brothers Joseph and John Martin of Ablemarle Co, VA and their involvement with the Cherokee. John Chisholms descendents are who you are probably looking for. You'll need to most more than just the surnames to this list for folks to help you. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Dimond385@aol.com To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Surnames I hope I am in the right forum for what I am asking, if not please forgive me. Would these surnames be Indian names? JOHNS: MARTIN; MARSH; CHISHOLM: TOUCATER; HOLMES Really appreciate any helpful information you could give me. Thanking you in advance. Maxine dimond385@aol.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

FWd = reply in private I do not think they are on the list. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kenyatah wellman" <wellmanfamily@yahoo.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:22 PM > hello there there is information about quiller and darby > > edward quiller and josephine darby quiller her mom mary darby one of them indian cherokee it is my ggg grandpa and grandma thanks > > > kenyatah wellman > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com

I hope I am in the right forum for what I am asking, if not please forgive me. Would these surnames be Indian names? JOHNS: MARTIN; MARSH; CHISHOLM: TOUCATER; HOLMES Really appreciate any helpful information you could give me. Thanking you in advance. Maxine dimond385@aol.com

I never met him (talked) but I've heard about him. It will be a big loss to many. Thanks for sharing this info. Alli :( > James died this year. He wrote several articles on the Hildebrand family > and Nancy > Ward for the Goingsnake Messenger that is published in Colcord, OK. I > thought that there might be people on this list that might be interested > in the fact that he has passed on. Without his research I would now know > as much as i do about my ancestory. He was very kind and helpful to me. I > know that he was for other people too. I suspected that he might have > passed on but did not know for sure till I check the Social Security Death > Index online. Here is waht it said. > Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools Order > Record? > JAMES O SANDERS 29 Dec 1914 18 Jun 2005 (V) 96734 (Kailua, Honolulu, > HI) (none specified) 576-32-9326 Hawaii > > Hope that there is someone interested in this info besides me. > Glee > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

I had spoken to his wife a year or so ago and learned of his passing. I guess I didn't think to pass on the info. He apparently had a form of alzheimers for awhile. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: Glee Krapf To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:30 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] James O. Sanders James died this year. He wrote several articles on the Hildebrand family and Nancy Ward for the Goingsnake Messenger that is published in Colcord, OK. I thought that there might be people on this list that might be interested in the fact that he has passed on. Without his research I would now know as much as i do about my ancestory. He was very kind and helpful to me. I know that he was for other people too. I suspected that he might have passed on but did not know for sure till I check the Social Security Death Index online. Here is waht it said. Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools Order Record? JAMES O SANDERS 29 Dec 1914 18 Jun 2005 (V) 96734 (Kailua, Honolulu, HI) (none specified) 576-32-9326 Hawaii Hope that there is someone interested in this info besides me. Glee ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

James died this year. He wrote several articles on the Hildebrand family and Nancy Ward for the Goingsnake Messenger that is published in Colcord, OK. I thought that there might be people on this list that might be interested in the fact that he has passed on. Without his research I would now know as much as i do about my ancestory. He was very kind and helpful to me. I know that he was for other people too. I suspected that he might have passed on but did not know for sure till I check the Social Security Death Index online. Here is waht it said. Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools Order Record? JAMES O SANDERS 29 Dec 1914 18 Jun 2005 (V) 96734 (Kailua, Honolulu, HI) (none specified) 576-32-9326 Hawaii Hope that there is someone interested in this info besides me. Glee