Well, I'm late, due to the computer. Dang thing needed to be shot. Got a new one, thanks to Wally WOrld. So I'm back. Hope everyone's holidays were great and 2006 is a better year for each of us. Hoping for good things this year. If anyone has shared genealogy data (family stuff) that is direct to my lines, please email me any past notes you may have sent me. No need to send my notes to you (I only lost my inbox, not my outbox). Some of the notes we shared may be in my outbox as attachments to mine, so not all is lost, but if in doubt check in with me. Thanks so much, Debbie some of my lines include: BUTLER/DUNBAR/REEDER/GARRETT HODO/ADKISSON/BUTLER (Separate from above Butler) MULLINS out of VA/NC/TN/MO/ARK/TX/OKLA THOMPSON/LONG out of NC/GA/AL/TN to OKLA/TX CANSLER/RUDISILL (connected to my LONG) MYERS/MOORE/SMITH out of TN and Moore/Smith prior in NC/KY CANTRELL/CALLAHAN/SAMS/DUGGAR/SCARBROUGH many more out of NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom and Patty" <tomnpat@myturbonet.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:07 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Happy Holidays to All > tsisa udenv gohi iga! > (Merry Christmas) > > Wishing all our family and friends a Merry Christmas. We hope you find all > the family you are looking for in the New Year! > Happy Holidays All > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

If anyone has information concerning the Evans surname in southeast Tennessee in the early to mid 1800's (Cherokee of course) please yell at me.....thanks Joyce Gaston Reece

There are land sales based on the "Act or Treaty April 24, 1820". That date means the treaty would be the treaty of Dancing Rabbit Creek. So, if a person got land under that treaty, would it mean they were one of the Indians who accepted the offer of land and decided to become "American" citizens.? Carolyne

I am new to this list so I hope I don't make a mistake in my posting. I am looking for information on my grandfather's grandmother, Elizabeth Matilda or Matilda Elizabeth Shore. She ws born in Guntersville Alabama in 1862. Grandpa always said she was a full blood Cherokee but after he and Grandma passed away I found Grandma's address book that said she was 1/2 and her mother was the full blood. If I am reading the writing right is said Schultz for her mother's name. I remember a MAttie Schultz somewhere in there but can't get to my files after they were moved to teh new computer. She married Isaac Watts in Scott County Arkansas and had afew children, including Frances Melvina Watts my great grandmother. Melvina was born 01/11/1889 in Scott County. She married Thomas Henry Chappell around 1906 and they had 2 children in Scott County, with the first being registered at birth as Cherokee and possible the second. Sometiem around 1910 they moved to Okalahoma where they had 12 more children, Grandpa being #10 of 14 born in 1923. The rest of the children were never registered. Grandpa tried to register on a family trip to Oklahoma but he needed his birth certificate, which was home in New York. I have searched all over and foudn very few mentions of Elizabeth. I tried looking at all of the official rolls but the onkly Elizabeth Watts I found, while the right age, didn;t seem to be her. I am not sure why her family was still in Alabama in 1862 if the removal happened earlier and I think that's why I can't find them. I would appreciate any suggestions anyone might have. I live in Northern New York so I am unable to travel to Oklahoma to find what I need right now and so far I haven't found any addresses to write for more information. Grandpa never said where his brother was registered but I am assuming it was in Arkansas. Melissa

Subject: Mahala LONG 1893 letter Oops, reposting this as I sent it to CherokeeGene-Request site, not sure what happeneds to it there?RTL Hi All, This is the copy of the 1893 document from my gg-grandmother. I typed Martha (Atchley) Long in the last post...I should have typed MAHALA (Atchley) Long. (Martha (Blackburn) LONG was given name of my g-grandmother) Also it really is a sworn disposition and not a letter. Many thanks to Steve Bolin for sharing it. Family history is that Mahala was also gathered up for the removal, but her husband Maples P. Long was sheriff in TN. He went to the Fort and got her out. I also have a nice 5 generation photo also taken in 1893 of Mahala and her 4 generation first borns. Mahala and Maples had 15 children, but only the 8 mentioned in the document were alive in 1893. Roger Long (From Steve Bolin, Abilene TX) This is a manuscript of a copy of an original document in the possession of my grandmother. Could not put in original form or spelling for manuscript. I do have a copy of the original paper. The original paper is in a frame to keep it falling apart. I only made one copy. I was afraid of destroying the original. PAGE 1 State Of Arkansas, ) ) County of Boone. ) Mahala Long, of lawful age, after being duly sworn, upon her oath says: That she is now eighty (80) years old, and a resident citizen of Boone County, in the state of Arkansas. Post office address Harrison. I was raised in the state of Tennessee, and acquainted with a great many of the Cherokee Indians and have often met the chief, Mr. Ross and heard the Rev. Mr. Busheyhead preach. I was well acquainted with the Daugherty's and Chambers' families, and know they were Cherokee Indians, and my grandmother, Elizabeth Daugherty was a quarter-blood Cherokee Indian, and daughter of John Daugherty, who lived on Salequoyah Creek, in the state of Georgia. I was present at the time the Indians were forted at Charlestown on Highwasa and know that the Daugherty's and Chambers families left with the Cherokee Indians at the time of their removal west and I visited them because my kinsfolk were with them and were enrolled for the west. I lived in seven miles of the chief, Ross, and was well acquainted with him. My mother's maiden name was Martha Chambers and her father's name was James Chambers, and he was a brother of Maxwell Chambers who lived on Candy's creek in Hamilton County, Tennessee a! nd who left there with the Indians for the present Cherokee Nation. I know that he was a Cherokee Indian and was enrolled in 1833 for the west. I know that my children named below born to me in lawful wedlock are the lineal descendants of John Daugherty, above-named, and blood relation of Maxwell Chambers, above-named. My Children's names and Post-office address are as follows:- Robert H. Long, of Billings, Mo. ; L. D. Long, of Arkansas City, Kans.; N.B. Long, of Sac &Fox agency, O.K and TX.; Marion Long, of Harrison, Boone Co., Ark.; Maples Long, of Gaither. Boone Co. Ark.; Cynthia Frazier of Billings, P.O. Mo.; Rhoda Atchley, of Harrison, Boone Co. Ark.; Mahala Dacus, of Harrison, Boone County, Arkansas. (page 2) I know the above-named persons are Cherokee Indians, and that they derived their Indian blood from the Daugherty's and Chambers families. I know that John Chambers was my own uncle and run of{f} from North Carolina up into Tennessee, into Hamilton and Bradley counties, into the Smokey Mountains, to hide to keep the government from moving him west the said year1835, and that he came west afterwards. I know that he was a Cherokee Indian and was my mother's brother. I went and stayed all night with him the night before he left next day, and bid him good-bye. He left for the Cherokee Nation. I met the Rev. Mr. Bushyhead in McMinn County, Tennessee, in the association Chestna Salem Church house and hear him preach. I belong to the Baptist church and he was Baptist preacher. I went to hear him preach because he and I were of the same faith and personally acquainted. This was in the year A.D. 1834. Her Mahala X Long Mark

Greetings to All, My name is Ivan Lesley...and I am looking for my lost Cherokee family. I'm originally from Tennessee...my family roots go far back into the geographical area known as Tennessee. I have been blessed with a fusion of Cherokee blood from both sides of my family...here's how it breaks out: - Grandfather: Cecil Lesley (Part Cherokee...how much?) - Grandmother: Maggie Lesley (maiden name: Jones) (Part Cherokee...how much?) - Grandfather: Leander Pryor (Full Blooded Cherokee...according to my mother and her brothers)...no tribal enrollment number. Family legends have it that the family (both sides) I directly descend from managed to hide out in the Smokeys during the removal. But none the less a lot of family members were carried away...it is their descendants I'm looking for. So, I'm looking for Lesley's, Pryor's, and Jones's...I would appreciate any help or response. Regards, Ivan Lesley

Hi Roger, I would love to see your letter posted. It sounds interesting. Thank you, Tonya ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyne Gould" <carolyne_cwy@yahoo.ca> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Happy New year > Yes, please post it. Those kinds of documents are so extremely rare. > > Carolyne > > > >Happy New Year! > >It's been some time since I've posted to the list. > > > >Researching Daughty/Daugherty, Chambers, Long, Atchley and > >Blackburn. All had Cherokee connections > >thru 1700's TN to 1800's AR to 1900's in OK. > > > >I have a Letter (copy) that my gg-mother Martha (Atchley) LONG > >(1813-1896) wrote/transcribed in 1893. It was typed and notarized > >probably to used for her sons, Lemuel D. LONG and Robert H. LONG to > >gain Cherokee Citzenship. I don't believe he ever used it, for > >various reasons. In it she described her family Cherokee status, and > >a few others. Many thanks to my cousin in TX for preserving it and > >giving our family copies. I will post it as some of you will be > >interested in it's content. > > > >Roger Long SR > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I have a couple of Chambers (early 1900's) and a few more Blackburns (mid 1700's through early 1800's) . North Carolina, Tennessee and Kentucky area. Virginia in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Long" <rtlong5@adelphia.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Happy New year > Happy New Year! > It's been some time since I've posted to the list. > > Researching Daughty/Daugherty, Chambers, Long, Atchley and Blackburn. All had Cherokee connections > thru 1700's TN to 1800's AR to 1900's in OK. > > I have a Letter (copy) that my gg-mother Martha (Atchley) LONG (1813-1896) wrote/transcribed in 1893. It was typed and notarized probably to used for her sons, Lemuel D. LONG and Robert H. LONG to gain Cherokee Citzenship. I don't believe he ever used it, for various reasons. In it she described her family Cherokee status, and a few others. Many thanks to my cousin in TX for preserving it and giving our family copies. I will post it as some of you will be interested in it's content. > > Roger Long SR > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Well it is the 2nd and we are back to genealogy ( right gang?;-) All chat can go to the chat list below ;-) Culture chat can go to CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat

Yes, please post it. Those kinds of documents are so extremely rare. Carolyne >Happy New Year! >It's been some time since I've posted to the list. > >Researching Daughty/Daugherty, Chambers, Long, Atchley and >Blackburn. All had Cherokee connections >thru 1700's TN to 1800's AR to 1900's in OK. > >I have a Letter (copy) that my gg-mother Martha (Atchley) LONG >(1813-1896) wrote/transcribed in 1893. It was typed and notarized >probably to used for her sons, Lemuel D. LONG and Robert H. LONG to >gain Cherokee Citzenship. I don't believe he ever used it, for >various reasons. In it she described her family Cherokee status, and >a few others. Many thanks to my cousin in TX for preserving it and >giving our family copies. I will post it as some of you will be >interested in it's content. > >Roger Long SR

Thank you Roger, that would be wonderful ! I have an ATCHLEY cousin. He would be very interested. Catch ya' later, Sylvia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Long" <rtlong5@adelphia.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:44 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Happy New year > Happy New Year! > It's been some time since I've posted to the list. > > Researching Daughty/Daugherty, Chambers, Long, Atchley and Blackburn. All had Cherokee connections > thru 1700's TN to 1800's AR to 1900's in OK. > > I have a Letter (copy) that my gg-mother Martha (Atchley) LONG (1813-1896) wrote/transcribed in 1893. It was typed and notarized probably to used for her sons, Lemuel D. LONG and Robert H. LONG to gain Cherokee Citzenship. I don't believe he ever used it, for various reasons. In it she described her family Cherokee status, and a few others. Many thanks to my cousin in TX for preserving it and giving our family copies. I will post it as some of you will be interested in it's content. > > Roger Long SR > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

For those bored with Dr. Emmitt Starr, this is a must read book... ~ Suzy Back Cover of Nuttall's Journal: THE UNIVERSITY OF ARKANSAS PRESS; Fayetteville; ISBN 1-55728-561-6 This is the famous naturalist Thomas Nuttall's only surviving complete journal of his American scientific explorations. Covering his travels in Arkansas and what is now Oklahoma, it is pivotal to an understanding of the Old Southwest in the early nineteenth century, when the United States was taking inventory of its acquisitions from the Louisiana Purchase. The account follows Nuttall's route from Philadelphia to Pittsburgh, down the Ohio River to its mouth, then down the Mississippi River to the Arkansas Post, and up the Arkansas River with a side trip to the Red River. It is filled with valuable details on the plants, animals, and geology of the region, as well as penetrating observations of the resident native tribes, the military establishment at Fort Smith, the arrival of the first governor of Arkansas Territory, and the beginnings of white settlement. Originally published in 1980 by the University of Oklahoma Press, this fine edited version of Nuttall's work boasts a valuable introduction, notes, maps, and bibliography by Savoie Lottinville. The editor provided common names for those given in scientific classification and substituted modern genus and species names for the ones used originally by Nuttall. The resulting journal is a delight to read for anyone — historian, researcher, visitor, resident, or enthusiast. THOMAS NUTTALL was a self-educated botanist who came to the United States from Liverpool in 1808 at the age of twenty-two. Nuttall made several scientific expeditions in America during the first half of the nineteenth century. He was recognized in his time for his botanical discoveries, served for many years as a lecturer in natural science and as curator of the Cambridge Botanic Garden at Harvard, and published several books. SAVOIE LOTTINVILLE, a graduate of the University of Oxford, was director of the University of Oklahoma Press for thirty years and was for several years Regents Professor of History. Among the several books he authored or edited are The Rhetoric of History (1976) and Travels in North America, 1822-1824, by Paul Wilhelm, Duke ofWiirttemberg (1973), both published by the University of Oklahoma Press. With the publication of A Joumal of Travels into the Arkansas Territory during the Year 1819 by Thomas Nuttall, edited by Savoie Lottinville, the University of Arkansas Press inaugurates its new paperback reprint series, Arkansas Classics. This hallmark series will bring back into print, and keep in print, important works about Arkansas and by Arkansans. These books are essential reading for scholars and for general readers who wish to know more about the state's history and literature, its people, and its cultural heritage. Titles will come from all eras of Arkansas's past and will include fiction and nonfiction, personal accounts and scholarly studies, many with new introductions and annotations. This list as it develops will reflect the diversity of voices and experiences that is Arkansas.

In a message dated 1/1/2006 10:40:21 PM Central Standard Time, joyk@sc.rr.com writes: He was a wealthy merchant and planter. JOLLY SPOKE NO ENGLISH, and dressed in buckskin with a hunting shirt, leggings and moccasins. Thomas Nuttall's Journal, page 143 (Manners and Customs of the Cherokees) states: He <Jolly> last year took leave of the old nation in the Mississippi territory, and embarked with the emigrants, who are yet far from forming a majority of the nation. Being a half Indian, and dressed as a white man, I should scarcely have distinguished him from an American, except by his language. He was very plain, prudent, and unassuming in his dress and manners; a Franklin amongst his countrymen, and affectionately called the "beloved" father. Sensible to the wants of those who had accompanied him in his emigration, he had confidently expected a supply of flour and salt from Mr. Drope, all of which articles had, however, been sold below, excepting a small quantity reserved for the chief himself. He could have sent, he said, some of his people down to the mouth of the river, to purchase maize and flour, but that it would interrupt them in preparing their fields for the ensuing crop. Mr. D., who had in the Mississippi territory become acquainted with Jolly, the chief, tells me that his word is inviolable, and that his generosity knew no bounds, but the limitation of his means. Footnote 89: Tahlonteskee, Principal Chief of the Arkansas Cherokees, had migrated west with three hundred of his tribesmen in 1809. He took a leading part in the guerilla warfare between the Cherokees and Osages, including the massacre of Osages at Claremore Mound, the site of Osage Chief Clermont's village, in the autumn of 1817.~ SOURCE: AM. ST. PAPERS, INDIAN AFFAIRS, II, 97-98, 125-26; Niles' Weekly Register, XIII, 80; FOREMAN [1], 34n., 51-52. John Jolly, Tahlonteskee's brother, who emigrated with a party of 3 31 Cherokees to Arkansas in February, 1818, assumed the chieftainship of the western Cherokees on Tahlonteskee's death in the spring of that year. Return J. Meigs to John C. Calhoun, February 19, 1818, in FOREMAN [1], 65. ------------------------------------ I also have Foreman's books and the above is written there also... I think this basically says Jolly spoke no English, but dressed like a white man... Suzy

Happy New Year! It's been some time since I've posted to the list. Researching Daughty/Daugherty, Chambers, Long, Atchley and Blackburn. All had Cherokee connections thru 1700's TN to 1800's AR to 1900's in OK. I have a Letter (copy) that my gg-mother Martha (Atchley) LONG (1813-1896) wrote/transcribed in 1893. It was typed and notarized probably to used for her sons, Lemuel D. LONG and Robert H. LONG to gain Cherokee Citzenship. I don't believe he ever used it, for various reasons. In it she described her family Cherokee status, and a few others. Many thanks to my cousin in TX for preserving it and giving our family copies. I will post it as some of you will be interested in it's content. Roger Long SR

This is from the same friend: http://www.cherokee.org/CULTURE/HistoryPage.asp?ID=138 John Jolly 1818-1838 Emigrated west to Arkansas Territory in 1818. As early as 1820, he was made Principal Chief of the Old Settlers, and he held this office until his death in 1838. He was a wealthy merchant and planter. JOLLY SPOKE NO ENGLISH, and dressed in buckskin with a hunting shirt, leggings and moccasins. He was a brother of Old Settler Chief Tahlonteeskee, and both were uncles of Cherokee Chief John Rogers. He was also the uncle of Tiana Rogers, Sam Houston's Cherokee wife and of Chief John Rogers, Jr. end of quote from website =================================== If he spoke no English as it says, he had to have a translator. I bet Houston spoke Cherokee having lived with the Cherokee in Tennessee as a youth and later in Oklahoma -- I bet he was fluent in the Cherokee language, and as Jolly's adopted son, he would have been an ideal person to have translated the letter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce G. Reece To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Fw: [chickamauga_researcher] John Jolly I took the liberty of asking a friend who is somewhat of an expert on the Cherokee. Here is his rely as concerns the word 'wigwam' in reference to Cherokee usage.

In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:15:22 PM Central Standard Time, jgreece@earthlink.net writes: Most researcher give no more than a half-brother relationship between Tahlonteeskee and Jolly and we don't know if it was because they had the same mother or same father. I don't know the answer to the mother or father issue, but I assume it is the mother, as Cherokee society was matrilineal at this time... I also recommend to anyone interested in this topic to read the Journal of Thomas Nuttall, earlier referenced. Nuttall's information is based on a Government trip, taken in 1819. Nuttall cites seeing Rogers, Webber, Jolly and many other Cherokee in 1819, he names them by name. Nuttall's Journal is one of the sources cited by Dub West, who was a well known and highly respected researcher of Oklahoma's History. Suzy

I took the liberty of asking a friend who is somewhat of an expert on the Cherokee. Here is his rely as concerns the word 'wigwam' in reference to Cherokee usage. It looks like we were all correct. Joyce Gaston Reece "I am farmiliar with Dub West -- dad got Dub West's autograph on a bicentennial book that he wrote about Sequoyah, in 1976. We got a book #ed 387 out of a run of only 1,000 from this special edition. It is hard-bound. His book on Sequoyah is very precise and he documents his work very well, and he has no apparent bias that is not warranted in the book -- very main stream. I have a sister who lived many years in Muskogee. I was born in Okmulgee, a county or 2 west of Muskogee. Houston was adopted by the Cherokee and was given permission to represent the Western Cherokee in talks with Andrew Jackson (according to those links). So John Jolly probably did write Pres. Jackson on Houston's behalf. Houston used the word "Wigwam" and called his own home "Wigwam Neosho." I guess it was near the mouth of the Neosho River which rns into the Arkansas River near Fort Gibson. Houston's wife at the time was related to Jolly -- I believe that link Angel posted said Houston's wife was Jolly's niece, so alhto Wigwam is NOT a Cherokee word, it as a word farmiliar to Jolly's niece and thus Jolly would have known White people used it to describe American Indian homes at times. So I wouldn't rule out the posibility that Jolly might have used the word, or that Dub West is a credible writer and historian. Since the letter was written to Jackson, it was probably written in English. I wonder how much English Jolly knew? If he didn't know much, I wonder who translated the letter. Houston himself, maybe? "Wigwam" was a word Houston used . . . he might have translated it that way, if he was the translator." vance hawkins

Hello Everyone, I just wanted to wish everyone a great "New Year". I have missed all of you very much and until recently was unable to use my computer. Things are better now and I am moving around more so maybe the Lord has seen fit to give me somemore time here on Mother Earth. I want to jump back into geneology and help anyway I can. My illness had got me to the point were I spent most of my day's just sitting in my chair, and feeling sorry for myself and my situation's. My new years resolution is to turn that around. I've always thought that after you turn 50 you start to enter into a new and second phase of living. We start to become the elders of our generation. I have learned in this last year that NOW is when I need to be my strongest. Not only for myself, but for my family, friends who need me, a grandaughter that has not yet said, "HELLO GRANDMA". So as I close this post, I would like to let any and all elders out there to remember this. I know the holidays can be a joy to most, but to those out there that suffer from lonliness and depression or the lost of a loved one, we have but two choices in my opinon. We can enjoy the life we have left, or become the ancester that these list seek to find. As Always, BrightStar 2006 PS, I thoughts and prayers are with Dr. Brent Kennedy and his family.

Research has been done by reputable researchers. I don't know about the reputable part but I was one of those who researched Talahina. She was the daughter of Jennie Due and John Rogers, Jr. Jennie was the daughter of Elizabeth Emory/Due/Rogers who had had a relationship with John Rogers, Sr. after a relationship with Robert Due/Dew/Dewes/Dewitt....supposedly of Dewitt's Corner in South Carolina near the old lower towns. Elizabeth Emory was the daughter of William Emory and Mary Grant (Mary was the dtr of Ludovic Grant and Eugihooti). I don't think there was ever any ceremony between Sam Houston and Talahina....I've never seen it documented anywhere, anyway. The had a relationship when he came to live with John Jolly at Tellico, then later at Hiwassee Island, then in ARkansas. There was a son from the relationship that passed away early in life. John Jolly later lived on Hiwassee Island which lay at the mouth of the Hiwassee where it flows into the Tennessee River. It is not all underwater today but much of it is and it is a wildlife sanctuary preserved by TVA. I've not researched this enough to say exactly but there appears to be a kinship between the Houston family and the Jolly family of North Carolina which would mean a kinship between John Jolly and Sam Houston. It has not been proven, to my knowledge, that John Jolly nor Tahlonteeskee were the children of Elizabeth Emory/Due/Rogers or the brothers of Jennie Due. There is even one very knowledgeable researcher who sticks needles in the balloon by saying there is a good possibility that Tahlonteeskee was the son of John Stuart of Susannah Emory....(dtr of Robert Emory...bro to William above) Most who say this have researched no futher than Dr. Starr's History of the Cherokee Indians. If one looks at the time frames for births Tahlonteeskee could certainly have been John Stuart's son....later called Bushyhead. Most researcher give no more than a half-brother relationship between Tahlonteeskee and Jolly and we don't know if it was because they had the same mother or same father. The biographies of some of the people mentioned here are located at www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 behind RECORDS to "C" Joyce Gaston Reece

In a message dated 12/31/2005 9:53:41 PM Central Standard Time, gleek@ptd.net writes: Who were his parents? I am NOT an expert on this topic and am simply repeating what is written in a book I own... I have included some notes for you, read the following and you will see what I am trying to say:) (mailto:walknstx@aol.com) That said, Dub West's Among the Cherokees states the following, which includes direct quotes and are not simply my opinion... This book is a book of Biographies of the Western Cherokee and starts with "Emigration from the East", next section covers The Bowl or Colonel Bowles. Next covered is "Texas Settlements" & "Battle of the Neches" & "Migration from Texas", all this is mentioned on pages 1 & 2. Page 3 covers Takatoka, 2nd Chief of the Western Cherokees, 1813-1818... he, John Jolly, & John D. Chisolm were signers of the Treaty of 1817. Page 4 and part of 5 covers Tahlonteskee and mentions that John Jolly is his brother. Side note: This page also mentions Springfrog <my husband's family>; Springfrog is said to have the oldest marked grave in Oklahoma's Indian Territory, it was shaped like a coffin... Page 6 covers John Jolly <I posted it yesterday> Page 7 covers Walter Webber, described as "a half brother of Chief John Jolly" and assistant chief during Jolly's tenure; this says that Webber was a member of a delegation to Washington on 26 Feb 1823, when they called on Secretary of War, John Calhoun... Also, Webber, John Bown & Sam Houston were in Washington in early 1830 to press charges against the Indian agents. Webber was Chairman of this trio. Page 8 tells of Tachee, Called Dutch or Captain William Dutch. This page cites Caroline Thomas Foreman's "very comprehensive account" of Tachee, found in the Autumn 1849 issue of Chronicles of Oklahoma... "she <Foreman> says that Tachee was the third of four sons of Skyugo, a noted Cherokee Chief, and that he held the title by inheritance and the rank was never questioned by the Indians, as he maintained it with honor... he was born at Turkey Town, on the Coosa River, about 1790. As a child of 5, he accompanied his mother, and uncle Thomas Taylor, to the St. Francis River in Arkansas to escape the encroachments of the whites" & "Dutch was one of the signers of the Treaty of 1835. He was elected 3rd Chief of the western Cherokees in 1839" Pages 9 & 10 reference Chief John <Captain Jack> Rogers and note: "Chief John Rogers was the son of John Rogers "White Trader" and Elizabeth DUE. Chief John was the half brother of Tiana Rogers.... He was born in Burke Co., GA., in 1779, and was known as Nolichucky. He was generally called Captain Jack, a title acquired in the Creek War of 1813-1814, as a member of a Company commanded by Andrew Jackson. He <Rogers> removed to the country of the western Cherokees in 1821 <in 1821, Cherokee country was south of the Arkansas River near Dardanelle, Arkansas, Pope County> and to Indian Territory in 1829. He became Chief of the western Cherokees upon the death of Chief John Jolly, his uncle... He <Rogers> was a member of the delegation to Washington which signed the Treaty of 1828, on the 6th of May, which provided for the removal of the Western Cherokees to Indian Territory. Rogers was also a member of the delegation to Washington headed by Chief John Jolly in November of 1831 which rejected amalgamation and liquidation of the Government of the western Cherokees. He obtained a salt spring from Sam Houston, who ha acquired it from Colonel Choteau, since Houston was not permitted to operate it. Rogers operated a trading post at Fort Gibson. His last home was on the bank of Panther Creek near Claremore... The old Chief made a trip to Washington urging the consideration of the rights of the Old Settlers and died at the boarding house of Mrs. Eugene Townsley, June 12, 1846. He was buried in the National Cemetery. Page 11 mention John Rogers "White Trader": J. B. Meserve in Chronicles of Oklahoma gives the following concerning John Rogers, "The interesting old white trader, John Rogers, departed from the East with a party of emigrants on October 18, 1817, arriving among the Indians of the White River country April 18, 1818. John Rogers, of Scotch descent, had lived and traded among the Cherokees for many years which reached back to the period before the Revolution. His life was saved by John Sevier in 1792. In 1805, along with Major Ridge and Alexander Sanders <this Sanders is also my husband's family> became involved in the killing of Chief Doublehead" Per Dub West; "He <John Rogers> married Elizabeth DUE, granddaughter of Ludovic Grant. They had 2 sons, John <Jack> and James, both prominent Cherokees. Upon the death of his first wife, he married her daughter, Jennie DUE. There were two daughters of this marriage, Tiana, who married Sam Houston, and Martha, the mother of Jesse Chisolm, famous Indian Scout and Interpreter..." Others mentioned in this book are: Sequoyah - his sister married Tahlonteskee... Major George Lowery a cousin of Sequoyah... Agent William Lovely - he acquired over 7 million acres in Arkansas for the Cherokees... John Brown, son of Tsa - Luh and a half brother of Walter Webber... John Looney... Thomas Chisolm, son of John D. "Soldier of Fortune" Chisolm, Thomas was the last Head Chief to come to Office by Heredity... Chief Richard Fields, of the Texas Cherokees... Blackcoat... Joseph Vann... General Matthew Arbuckle... Sam Houston... Tiana Rogers... Oliver Hazard Perry Brewer... and many, many others:) Suzy Johnson Pocola, Choctaw Nation (mailto:walknstx@aol.com)