at http://ngeorgia.com/history/cherokeehistory4.html "Mixed-race, to the Cherokee, meant children conceived by white mothers and Cherokee fathers. Children conceived by Cherokee mothers, regardless of the father, were already accepted as part of the tribe. In her book The Cherokee Removal, A Brief History with Documents, author Theda Perdue states: The terms "Half-Breed" and "Quadroon" (one-quarter Cherokee) are now considered pejorative as well as ethnocentric. According to the matrilineal Cherokees, whether a person was a Cherokee or not depended on the status of the mother. If your mother was a Cherokee, you were Cherokee regardless of who your father was...The concern with blood quantum reflected racist nineteenth-century thinking that linked ancestry and culture. However outdated such views may be, these distinctions remain a part of United States Indian policy today" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation > > .........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary > says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it > was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably > meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba > blood. > > Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my > interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. > > For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a > family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: > > 3= Full Blood > > 6=Mixed Negroes > > There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only > the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of > the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian > blood, but we'll never know how many. > > Hope this helps. > Preston > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I may have found Perdue's explanation of quadroon and half blood, which does not clearly explain what they were but for what it's worth: "Mixed-race, to the Cherokee, meant children conceived by white mothers and Cherokee fathers. Children conceived by Cherokee mothers, regardless of the father, were already accepted as part of the tribe. In her book The Cherokee Removal, A Brief History with Documents, author Theda Perdue states: The terms "Half-Breed" and "Quadroon" (one-quarter Cherokee) are now considered pejorative as well as ethnocentric. According to the matrilineal Cherokees, whether a person was a Cherokee or not depended on the status of the mother. If your mother was a Cherokee, you were Cherokee regardless of who your father was...The concern with blood quantum reflected racist nineteenth-century thinking that linked ancestry and culture. However outdated such views may be, these distinctions remain a part of United States Indian policy today. " 1 1 http://www.americanindianmedia.com/oldws/history_of_the_indian_people.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation > > .........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary > says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it > was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably > meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba > blood. > > Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my > interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. > > For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a > family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: > > 3= Full Blood > > 6=Mixed Negroes > > There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only > the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of > the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian > blood, but we'll never know how many. > > Hope this helps. > Preston > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

if anyone can find this book, Perdue discusses the terms quadroon and half blood as it pertains to Native American, particular Cherokee The Cherokee Removal : A Brief History with Documents (The Bedford Series in History and Culture) (Paperback) by Theda Perdue (Editor), Michael D. Green (Editor) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 2:45 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation > > .........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary > says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it > was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably > meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba > blood. > > Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my > interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. > > For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a > family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: > > 3= Full Blood > > 6=Mixed Negroes > > There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only > the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of > the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian > blood, but we'll never know how many. > > Hope this helps. > Preston > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

QUADROON iis 1/4 black as you said and the dictionary I read it stated it clearly as 1/4 black and mixed white. When referenced in the native tribes it may mean 1/4 indian and the rest other, because during a certain period of history all dark skinned people were considered BLACK by many in U.S. DRAGOON was a unit in the military (as far as I know). are you sure it was DRAGOON you meant to write? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Fw: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann > Izzie, this is the way this message appeared on CherokeeGene-L URL site. > Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "izzie" <izzie@sstelco.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:25 AM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann > > >> Anyone: >> I have been looking at the 1835 roll or census record of the Cherokees >> today and found some startling information. Catherine Gann is listed, >> several in family, all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the >> dictionary says they were 1/4 black. Has anyone found this before? I >> checked Daniel McCoy family and they are also listed as Dragoons. On >> Stand Watie, he is listed with only to people, him and wife. One is full >> blood and one dragoon. I know from searching records that he was married >> to a Miller at that time. Can anyone explain any of these? >> >> Thanks >> Donna >> >> >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >> Please Good manors and no flaming others >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >> or to get off this list via web site below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hmmmm I'm not sure but I do know that my father's grandfather was 1/2 african american and was considered mulatto in all census records. My father was also considered mulatto until he moved to another area where he could claim white and no one knew the difference. Curious..I think it was left up to the discretion of the census taker... Tootles Sharon

Bettye Thank you. Donna

Where can I obtain a copy of the Cherokee Supreme Court records? This is the first I've heard about them. I've been tracking a Cherokee named Betsey from North Carolina (Caswell County) who was a slave and lived with a Thomas Pattillo Bigelow (who owned 2,000 slaves) and bore him 12 children from North Carolina and doesn't show up in any other census but shows up in his Will and in various Court appearances defending her share of his estate in the 1870's. Maybe she might be mentioned in these documents. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wren" <mdw2654@bellsouth.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:44 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation & Isaac Tucker >I think the terms Mullato, Quadroon, Octaroon, Mestizo, Mustee, etc. all >came out of the Colonial French & Spanish culture to show blood degree. >For some reason, I can't remember where I read it, that anyone with less >than 1/16 of African blood could not be enslaved. Not sure where I read >that or if that is correct. > > The name mentioned below, Isaac Tucker, does have an interesting story. > The following is from the Record Book of the Cherokee Supreme Court in > 1833. All the spelling is as it is in the original. > > > [Page 92] > Cherokee Nation} > North Carolina } > This will certify that we the under sind Cherokees were Residents of the > Nation at the time that a white man and an Indian Trader who had a > Cherokee > woman for his wife but who by his usage of her in Beating and other wise > mis > treating of her when in a State of pregnancy died the clan or tribe to > whom > she belonged determined to kill the said white man by name of Sam Dent who > to appease them and Satis fy said Tribe of clan went off to Augusta in > Georgia and did them purchase a Female slave by the name of molley and > brought Female unto the cherokee and did offer her to the clans > Rennumeration of the wrongs he had done, a Town council of Talk was then > had > at chota old Town on Tennessee River and the Said Female was then and and > these Received by D Clan and by the authorities agreeable to the indian > Law > and usage in the place of the murdered wife of the said Sam Dent and has > be > her self and descendants been one since. Recognized by Said nation or > clan > as a cherokee the said moley and her descendants now whoes > [Page 93] > the only descendants of said molley had been and are claimed to be the > property of one Molley Hightower who has come into the Said nation and set > up claim by Bill of Sale for Said Tom Dend to Hightowers Father who was > also > an Indian Trader and who ser___ many year near the Decendants of Said and > Tom advo___ set up any claim to the said descendants that the present > Petitioner Chunestuta alias Isaac Tucker and his mother Chickwas wor ume > off > in these by force mentioned natives as we have ever be considered . The > court and authorities of the Cherokee Nation as also we the subscribers > members of the same clan ask and require of our council and hem me for > assistance and for coucil to resist this oppressive and illegal wrong > attempted to be preacised on our Brother and sister by the Hightower in > Moving(?) into slavery Two of whom have ever been and considered native > cherokees we feel that the attempt is one of Cruel greavance to us and ask > of you Honable bodies Redress in the Protection and defense of the Two a > bove mentioned mem bers of our clan and your petitioner will ever > prosper(?) > &&c > The Doctor > Cha nes te ta alias Isaac Tucker his X mark > Chickaw ne molly her X mark > Charles Buffington > The old thigh his X mark > Bucks Horn his X mark > Chicked indian man > [Page 94] > This day appeared before me Daniel McCoy one of the Judges of the supreme > court of the Cherokee Nation the Big Half Breed Jno Watts the tiger and > the white Path who being duly Sworn and Saith that to the best of their > knowledge and be lief that the mother of Edward & Isaac Tucker molley was > Surrendered and delivered up when a girl Some time previous to the > revotutconary war by a white man named Saml Bend to the authorities of the > Cherokee nation for certain important consideration & that said Molly was > then emancipated & adopted into the Clan Composing the Deer family > agreeably > to the then existing custom & usage of said nation, & since that time she > has continued in the Anton & enjoyed the liberty of freedom & that her two > sons Edward & Isaac Tucker were born at the beloved Town called Echota on > the Tennessee River & has ever been free & resided in this Nation > Sworn to & subscribed to before me at Red Clay this 18th Octr 1833 > Danl McCoy, J S Court > > Signed > Big Half Breed his X mark > Jno Watts his X mark > Tiger his X mark > > [Page 95] > I certify that the above to be a correct copy of the original handed to > the > said Isaac Tucker > Charles Vann > Clerk Supreme Court > 18th Oct 1833 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:45 PM > Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation > > >> .........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary >> says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? >> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it >> was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably >> meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba >> blood. >> >> Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my >> interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. >> >> For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a >> family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: >> >> 3= Full Blood >> >> 6=Mixed Negroes >> >> There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only >> the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of >> the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian >> blood, but we'll never know how many. >> >> Hope this helps. >> Preston >> >> ______________________________ > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I think the terms Mullato, Quadroon, Octaroon, Mestizo, Mustee, etc. all came out of the Colonial French & Spanish culture to show blood degree. For some reason, I can't remember where I read it, that anyone with less than 1/16 of African blood could not be enslaved. Not sure where I read that or if that is correct. The name mentioned below, Isaac Tucker, does have an interesting story. The following is from the Record Book of the Cherokee Supreme Court in 1833. All the spelling is as it is in the original. [Page 92] Cherokee Nation} North Carolina } This will certify that we the under sind Cherokees were Residents of the Nation at the time that a white man and an Indian Trader who had a Cherokee woman for his wife but who by his usage of her in Beating and other wise mis treating of her when in a State of pregnancy died the clan or tribe to whom she belonged determined to kill the said white man by name of Sam Dent who to appease them and Satis fy said Tribe of clan went off to Augusta in Georgia and did them purchase a Female slave by the name of molley and brought Female unto the cherokee and did offer her to the clans Rennumeration of the wrongs he had done, a Town council of Talk was then had at chota old Town on Tennessee River and the Said Female was then and and these Received by D Clan and by the authorities agreeable to the indian Law and usage in the place of the murdered wife of the said Sam Dent and has be her self and descendants been one since. Recognized by Said nation or clan as a cherokee the said moley and her descendants now whoes [Page 93] the only descendants of said molley had been and are claimed to be the property of one Molley Hightower who has come into the Said nation and set up claim by Bill of Sale for Said Tom Dend to Hightowers Father who was also an Indian Trader and who ser___ many year near the Decendants of Said and Tom advo___ set up any claim to the said descendants that the present Petitioner Chunestuta alias Isaac Tucker and his mother Chickwas wor ume off in these by force mentioned natives as we have ever be considered . The court and authorities of the Cherokee Nation as also we the subscribers members of the same clan ask and require of our council and hem me for assistance and for coucil to resist this oppressive and illegal wrong attempted to be preacised on our Brother and sister by the Hightower in Moving(?) into slavery Two of whom have ever been and considered native cherokees we feel that the attempt is one of Cruel greavance to us and ask of you Honable bodies Redress in the Protection and defense of the Two a bove mentioned mem bers of our clan and your petitioner will ever prosper(?) &&c The Doctor Cha nes te ta alias Isaac Tucker his X mark Chickaw ne molly her X mark Charles Buffington The old thigh his X mark Bucks Horn his X mark Chicked indian man [Page 94] This day appeared before me Daniel McCoy one of the Judges of the supreme court of the Cherokee Nation the Big Half Breed Jno Watts the tiger and the white Path who being duly Sworn and Saith that to the best of their knowledge and be lief that the mother of Edward & Isaac Tucker molley was Surrendered and delivered up when a girl Some time previous to the revotutconary war by a white man named Saml Bend to the authorities of the Cherokee nation for certain important consideration & that said Molly was then emancipated & adopted into the Clan Composing the Deer family agreeably to the then existing custom & usage of said nation, & since that time she has continued in the Anton & enjoyed the liberty of freedom & that her two sons Edward & Isaac Tucker were born at the beloved Town called Echota on the Tennessee River & has ever been free & resided in this Nation Sworn to & subscribed to before me at Red Clay this 18th Octr 1833 Danl McCoy, J S Court Signed Big Half Breed his X mark Jno Watts his X mark Tiger his X mark [Page 95] I certify that the above to be a correct copy of the original handed to the said Isaac Tucker Charles Vann Clerk Supreme Court 18th Oct 1833 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Quadroon Explanation > .........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary > says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it > was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably > meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba > blood. > > Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my > interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. > > For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a > family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: > > 3= Full Blood > > 6=Mixed Negroes > > There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only > the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of > the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian > blood, but we'll never know how many. > > Hope this helps. > Preston > > ______________________________

.............Can you tell me why my question never shows up on my list. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Donna, I haven't a clue. You should; all my postings come back to my e-mail box. Maybe Dan can help. Preston

Izzie, this is the way this message appeared on CherokeeGene-L URL site. Bettye ----- Original Message ----- From: "izzie" <izzie@sstelco.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:25 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann > Anyone: > I have been looking at the 1835 roll or census record of the Cherokees > today and found some startling information. Catherine Gann is listed, > several in family, all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the > dictionary says they were 1/4 black. Has anyone found this before? I > checked Daniel McCoy family and they are also listed as Dragoons. On Stand > Watie, he is listed with only to people, him and wife. One is full blood > and one dragoon. I know from searching records that he was married to a > Miller at that time. Can anyone explain any of these? > > Thanks > Donna > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Preston Thank you for the information. Can you tell me why my question never shows up on my list. I have never seen my question posted. It that the way it works, a person never sees their own question? Thanks Donna

.........all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary says they were 1/4 black.........can anyone explain any of these? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The dictionary is probably referencing the meaning of *Quadroons* as it was applied in the *deep* south. On the 1835 Cherokee Census it probably meant a Cherokee mixed with anything but African, Spaniard, or Catawba blood. Those Africans possessing Cherokee blood are listed, per my interpretation, as Mixed Negroes. For example: on page 28, #442, Isaac TUCKER is listed as head of a family of 9 total Cherokees. The break down is as follows: 3= Full Blood 6=Mixed Negroes There are 82 individuals so identified on the 1835 Cherokee Census. Only the Cherokees have a blood quantum listed. I'm sure that a number of the enumerated 1,592 African slaves possessed Cherokee or other Indian blood, but we'll never know how many. Hope this helps. Preston

Anyone: I have been looking at the 1835 roll or census record of the Cherokees today and found some startling information. Catherine Gann is listed, several in family, all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the dictionary says they were 1/4 black. Has anyone found this before? I checked Daniel McCoy family and they are also listed as Dragoons. On Stand Watie, he is listed with only to people, him and wife. One is full blood and one dragoon. I know from searching records that he was married to a Miller at that time. Can anyone explain any of these? Thanks Donna

Thanks Judy. The friend who was looking for this information will be most greatful. She is from Oklahoma originally and still has family there. She is Native American and I think she is trying to prove relationship with this tribe. Juanetta -----Original message----- From: "Judy" judy@genealogysurnames.com Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:36:29 -0600 To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Tribes Native to Missouri??? > Here are some links to the Oto Tribe > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/oto/otohist.htm > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/scripts/data/database.cgi?file=Data&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0017332 > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/nebraska/index.htm go down the page to > find Oto. > > Judy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Powers" <mollie@gtec.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:41 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Tribes Native to Missouri??? > > > > Are there any tribes native to Missouri/ Particularly one with a name that > > sounds like Oto?? > > > > Juanetta > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Here are some links to the Oto Tribe http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/oto/otohist.htm http://www.accessgenealogy.com/scripts/data/database.cgi?file=Data&report=SingleArticle&ArticleID=0017332 http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/nebraska/index.htm go down the page to find Oto. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Powers" <mollie@gtec.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:41 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Tribes Native to Missouri??? > Are there any tribes native to Missouri/ Particularly one with a name that > sounds like Oto?? > > Juanetta

Are there any tribes native to Missouri/ Particularly one with a name that sounds like Oto?? Juanetta

oddly, its much like that, in many early peoples. The Jews for instance... Glynis

Carolyne, I have always found that fascinating that the Indian tribes banned it before anyone knew about genetics. As if they witnessed nature and had it figured out before anyone else! As if true to their roots, my lines may have left their tribe, but they did not marry within kinship. IT was banned, prohibited and we were always STRESSED that our cousins were to be loved, reveled but never to fall in love and NEVER marry or you know, heaven forbid, have sex with one. Also as true to the tribe, virginity until marriage was stressed in our family. Not like today's attitudes, is it, although I have tried to pass that down to my children, but it's out of my control to a degree when they leave with friends. You just hope they have had strong lessons and at least good morals to make decisions to balance the temptations and attitudes among their peers. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyne Gould" <carolyne_cwy@yahoo.ca> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] first cousins marrying > Here's something I find interesting on this topic. My husband said > geneticists have found that when first cousins have children (or even > half-siblings), that if the relationship is through the father, there are > usually no problems healthwise with the kids. If the relationship is > through the mother, that is when problems usually occur. > > Our ancestors prohibited marriage within the same clan, which was always > determined by the mother --- not the father. Relationships with a father's > clan did not prohibit marriage. > > So, our ancestors had good sound reasons for the matrilineal prohibition, > long before the world had ever heard the word "gene". > > Carolyne > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Here's something I find interesting on this topic. My husband said geneticists have found that when first cousins have children (or even half-siblings), that if the relationship is through the father, there are usually no problems healthwise with the kids. If the relationship is through the mother, that is when problems usually occur. Our ancestors prohibited marriage within the same clan, which was always determined by the mother --- not the father. Relationships with a father's clan did not prohibit marriage. So, our ancestors had good sound reasons for the matrilineal prohibition, long before the world had ever heard the word "gene". Carolyne

Judy, Dan's suggestion of a disclaimer is a good one. If someone finds accurate history offensive then let them close the book. It isn't up to us, nor is it our right to revise history. That is a part of the problem we have as researchers today. Too many book writers took it upon themselves to give the unpleasant parts of our history a cottonball cushion. Much of American history is violent, dirty and unpleasant BUT it's knowing that that will help us realize what it took to get us where we are today. The only thing that people should try to really and truly understand is that the violence wasn't solely race against race. Take the Vann family, for instance. They were of white and Cherokee blood and were violent against African Americans. That violence worked in many ways. But for every instance of violence and sorrows there is thousands of instances of people simply living their lives and doing what had to be done to survive and raise a family. BTW, as for myself, I will give you, Dennis and your crew a well deserved thank you for all the enormous amount of work you are doing for all of us. Joyce Reece -----Original Message----- >From: Judy <judy@genealogysurnames.com> >Sent: Feb 15, 2006 12:03 PM >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] RE: Need some help > >Maybe some of you have an answer to a problem we are having with Native >American and African American books we put on line. > >Most of our book pages now have the following disclaimer: This site >includes some historical materials that may imply negative stereotypes >reflecting the culture or language of a particular period or place. These >items are presented as part of the historical record and should not be >interpreted to mean that the WebMasters in any way endorse the stereotypes >implied. This site includes some historical materials that may imply >negative stereotypes reflecting the culture or language of a particular >period or place. These items are presented as part of the historical record >and should not be interpreted to mean that the WebMasters in any way endorse >the stereotypes implied. Followed by the name of the book and date. > >The following is one of many we receive: >I am White with some "relatively" unknown Indian blood. I have studied Indian >culture and language at college and partook of the native communities in >Nebraska. I did read the Cherokee History Area and yes, I find much >offensive.. I'm only beginning the rest of the History Area. Reading the >warning that it may be offensive, Why can't you have someone clean the >offensive parts up or rewrite excluding the offensive parts and just quote >the current sources when using unoffensive summations???? Isn't it time in >history to do this? > >Does anyone have a suggestion as to how we could make it clearer we have no >intention of rewriting history, and this is what the book said. > >Thanks >Judy > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >