My GG-Grandmother, Adeline MULKEY nee GOINS, had been ascribed by others belonging to Melugeons and Metis peoples. However, she descended from the Mississippi Choctaws. Some of her relatives mixed with Blacks. She was not Cherokee at all, but married to my Cherokee GG-Grandfather, Lewis A. Mulkey. She has been reputed to being either 2/3 Choctaw or a full blood Choctaw. However, she did not apply for the Choctaw Rolls and she was denied on the Cherokee Rolls as an inter-married White because she was Choctaw. P.S. My husband just sent in his DNA packet yesterday to be tested for N/A DNA. He is loosely tied to Pretty Boy Floyd, who was rumored to be either Cherokee or Choctaw. He can trace none of his family to the Dawes. Most of the family settled in western Arkansas before the Removal. Results will be back in 6 weeks. Jerri ~Direct Cherokee Mulkey Descendent --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

Hi Joyce, are you seeking specfics? opinions about origins? what exactly are you wanting? In my opinion, the Melungeons are not an exact group of people but several groups of people, all with Meditterean type backgrounds, whether jews, moors from Spain, or whatnot. They settled in different localaties, or drifted there later so the admixtures vary from region to region. Other groups joined their close knit communities, including some blacks. In the East Tennessee region it is thought that there was mixture with Cherokee, as well and probably in the Carolinas. however, there are pockets of these people who mixed with blacks. Because of this there is much confusion about whether they have Cherokee or whether they were mulatto. To understand any particular family, a study needs to be made of the area(s) they came out of. The Melungeons suffered greatly from prejudices in some areas. Especially, those who showed darker characteristics. Even among themselves, there were prejudices about one family being better due to skin color. You can imaigne how alot of them fled areas where there were prejudices and tried to begin anew. Some even changed their names to establish themselves in new identities as white or anglo people. It makes tracing these people extremely hard. Also, they avoided courts, in an effort to not be classified as FPC or some such category. They were very tight knit communities and very closed mouthed. IN some areas they still are. There is much ongoing DNA studies being done on this group of people. They definitely carry meditterean bloodlines and some develop disesaes only know in meditterean regions. Since their heritage is often hidden and unknown diagnosis are often flawed. Some strides are being made on this and disesases such as Joseph Machado disease are being diagnosed. Bechet's is another. Sarcoidosis still another. The last one interests me because of some "odd" diagnosis in my family, unexplained and not fitting the pattern for the disease. let me know what you are really wanting to know. If you are inquiring about where the Cherokee mix entered I don't think it's really pinpointed yet. Most family only have proof in family stories, passed down and photographs which seem to warrant their claims. However, as we know, some of the Meditteran people are very dark skinned, especially those from Moorish background. DNA studies on this group is still continuing. I can get you some info. if you want. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:49 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] melungeon/cherokee > Debbie > > Hi! I understand you have done research on the relationship between the > Cherokee and Melungeons? Would you please offer your knowledge and > opinions? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Hi, I'm new to this list and I have the same problem trying to find my Cherokee connection. I have had the family story handed down to me but no real proof. My Indian ancestry came from my father's side of the family and unless I can find a male cousin willing to take the DNA test, I'm out of luck. I am only looking for myself and not to gain anything. I have found this site helpful and interesting. All Things Cherokee I hope this helps someone, Maureen Hyde

I can trace mine 4 generations back on the women's line.....but my dad threw that off LOL He's the only male in my direct line of showing the Cherokee connection LOL Alli :) > Derek is right, to join a tribe you have to meet the criteria and DNA > isn't one of them. I suspect some day there will be court challenges and > only time will tell if they will need to change that.\ > > As for women being tested for DNA. Yes, there is a matrilineal dna. That > means the gene is passed from female to female in the line. If you > believe your line can be traced back female to female to the original > native source then you'd be a good candidate to be tested. > > Debbie

RGHT,THERE IS SOMEBODY WITH THE ROLL NUMBER IF WE CAN GET HER TO GET IT OUT. IM LIKE YOU I JUST LIKE TO NO, I NO I AM BUT JUST WANT TO NO FOR MY OWN SATISFACTION

I beleive that I am in the same spot you are in, none that I can find on any Indian rolls, but on my mothers side, her people are Indian through and though, they llok like the Indian head nickol Indian , and they are all very proud of being Indian , but are not able to claim any thing because they are not listed on the rolls...... I for one, would just like to have the document that says it for me, but like I said, even myself and my one and only brother look Indian . jenell In a message dated 3/7/2006 10:14:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, niceguybutrebel@yahoo.com writes: 2 of my Grandparents are about one fourth native american. So that makes me about one eighth. I thought about a 219$ DNA test,but what do I gain from it? I already know Im part Native American,and I dont think any tribes,will let You be a part of their tribe,just from having Native American DNA. I MEAN THE EASTERN BAND OF cHEROKEE,TO BE A MEMBER OF,YOU HAVE TO HAVE An ancestor that was on the 1924 Baker roll. And my Native American ancestors,in 1924,didn't want people to know they were Native American. I met one of my half Native American Great Greatgrandfater's Sister,and I asked her about being Native American,and she gave me an aggervated look,and said that she was all Crosby. Her Crosby ancestors,I found out were Irish.But the other half of her ancestors were a mixture of Southeastern Native American tribes. Cherokee,Muscogee Creek,and other tribes that I don't know the name of,just location. Sincerely, Derek (still a young man) 26 next April JPharissra@aol.com wrote: I would like to know if women can have thier Indian dna check also ... thank you jenell In a message dated 3/7/2006 9:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, LLAMEDUCK@aol.com writes: were do you go in oklahama to check on your indian dna ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

YES WE BELIEVE IT WAS FROM THE FEMALE SIDE. ACTUALLY SHES SUPPOSE TO HAVE A NUMBER A RELATIVE HAS IT BUT SHE HAS IT LOCKED UP . IS THERE AWAY TO LOOK UP THE NUMBER

Debbie Hi! I understand you have done research on the relationship between the Cherokee and Melungeons? Would you please offer your knowledge and opinions? Joyce Gaston Reece

I would like to know if women can have thier Indian dna check also ... thank you jenell In a message dated 3/7/2006 9:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, LLAMEDUCK@aol.com writes: were do you go in oklahama to check on your indian dna ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

were do you go in oklahama to check on your indian dna

Derek is right, to join a tribe you have to meet the criteria and DNA isn't one of them. I suspect some day there will be court challenges and only time will tell if they will need to change that.\ As for women being tested for DNA. Yes, there is a matrilineal dna. That means the gene is passed from female to female in the line. If you believe your line can be traced back female to female to the original native source then you'd be a good candidate to be tested. Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <JPharissra@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] dna indian > > I would like to know if women can have thier Indian dna check also ... > thank > you > jenell > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 9:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > LLAMEDUCK@aol.com writes: > > were do you go in oklahama to check on your indian dna > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

2 of my Grandparents are about one fourth native american. So that makes me about one eighth. I thought about a 219$ DNA test,but what do I gain from it? I already know Im part Native American,and I dont think any tribes,will let You be a part of their tribe,just from having Native American DNA. I MEAN THE EASTERN BAND OF cHEROKEE,TO BE A MEMBER OF,YOU HAVE TO HAVE An ancestor that was on the 1924 Baker roll. And my Native American ancestors,in 1924,didn't want people to know they were Native American. I met one of my half Native American Great Greatgrandfater's Sister,and I asked her about being Native American,and she gave me an aggervated look,and said that she was all Crosby. Her Crosby ancestors,I found out were Irish.But the other half of her ancestors were a mixture of Southeastern Native American tribes. Cherokee,Muscogee Creek,and other tribes that I don't know the name of,just location. Sincerely, Derek (still a young man) 26 next April JPharissra@aol.com wrote: I would like to know if women can have thier Indian dna check also ... thank you jenell In a message dated 3/7/2006 9:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, LLAMEDUCK@aol.com writes: were do you go in oklahama to check on your indian dna ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Osiyo, just a note, I have a web site set up thru sbc yahoo, it comes with a sit builder and only cost me about $9.00 a month for the two sites I have up. As I don't know you or your family name, I am not sure if ours would conect, I have not see the Hicks site but, Be enchoraged, web sites are not the exspensive, free webs offers them, the free sites are space limited, but ones you pay for are quite large. my sites right now I am upgreading but, feel free to look at them they may give you an ideal of what you can do on a sbc site, http://www.cherokeemaiden.net/ http://www.photos-plus.net/ Wado I hope this helps, if not I am sorry to have budded in Yo-na-tli tedrvb@bellsouth.net wrote: Osiyo Dan Need to talk to you about a Family Web Site Don't know how or anything about it was wanting set-up Something like the Hicks Site? "Not sure" first time down this road if it is going to cost me I do not know if I can aford it (fixed income, very low) Wado until we talk again my friend, Dohiyi RedThunder ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Osiyo Dan Need to talk to you about a Family Web Site Don't know how or anything about it was wanting set-up Something like the Hicks Site? "Not sure" first time down this road if it is going to cost me I do not know if I can aford it (fixed income, very low) Wado until we talk again my friend, Dohiyi RedThunder

I noticed that after I sent it, and had to go digging for the dates. It will be June 9 and 10. I hope I can come up with the funds to go. Carolyne. >Your email tells us the money must be paid by May 26th but it >doesn't give the dates of the conference, do you have these or are >they May 27th and 28th? > >Thanks >Judy >----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyne Gould" <carolyne_cwy@yahoo.ca> >To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:36 AM >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Fifth Annual Cherokee Ancestry Conference > >> > >>Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. on Friday and Saturday in the >>lobby of the hotel. The sessions of each day will being at 9:30 >>a.m. Lunch is at the discretion of the attendee as there is a >>restaurant in the hotel and several in the vicinity of the Trade >>Winds. Cost for the two-day conference is $60 for members of the >>CNHS and $75 for non-members. The fees must be received by May 26, >>2006. After May 26, the cost will be $80 and $95, respectively. >>Seating is limited to 75. The Trade Winds Central Inn has rooms >>available each night for a special rate of $50 for a single and $55 >>for a double, if reserved by May 26, 2006. >> >>There will be vendors at the conference including the Cherokee >>National Museum Store, Marybelle Chase, Cherokee author, and the >>National Trail of Tears Association. For more information, please >>contact Gene Norris or Ben Chasenah at the Cherokee Family Research >>Center, P. O. Box 515, Tahlequah, OK 74465 or call 1-888-999-6007, >>Ext. 239 or 242. The email address is >>genealogy@cherokeeheritage.org or chasenah@cherokeeheritage.org >> >> >>==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >>This list is for Genealogy related conversations >>Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >>Please Good manors and no flaming others >>For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >>CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >>or to get off this list via web site below >>http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >>Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> > > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manors and no flaming others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

Your email tells us the money must be paid by May 26th but it doesn't give the dates of the conference, do you have these or are they May 27th and 28th? Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyne Gould" <carolyne_cwy@yahoo.ca> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Fifth Annual Cherokee Ancestry Conference > > > Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. on Friday and Saturday in the lobby of > the hotel. The sessions of each day will being at 9:30 a.m. Lunch is at > the discretion of the attendee as there is a restaurant in the hotel and > several in the vicinity of the Trade Winds. Cost for the two-day > conference is $60 for members of the CNHS and $75 for non-members. The > fees must be received by May 26, 2006. After May 26, the cost will be $80 > and $95, respectively. Seating is limited to 75. The Trade Winds Central > Inn has rooms available each night for a special rate of $50 for a single > and $55 for a double, if reserved by May 26, 2006. > > There will be vendors at the conference including the Cherokee National > Museum Store, Marybelle Chase, Cherokee author, and the National Trail of > Tears Association. For more information, please contact Gene Norris or > Ben Chasenah at the Cherokee Family Research Center, P. O. Box 515, > Tahlequah, OK 74465 or call 1-888-999-6007, Ext. 239 or 242. The email > address is genealogy@cherokeeheritage.org or chasenah@cherokeeheritage.org > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > >

Fifth Annual Cherokee Ancestry Conference The fifth annual Cherokee Heritage Center's research conference will be a two day conference in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The event will take place at the Best Western Trade Winds Central Inn at 3141 East Skelly Drive in Tulsa. The conference has been themed: "A Cherokee Road Trip: Down Genealogy Lane." This will be the first two-day conference since March, 2002. It is also the first time that the event is being held outside of the Tahlequah area since September, 2003, when it was a one-day event held at Porum, Oklahoma. The speakers this year will be Dr. Daniel F. Littlefield, Jr., of Little Rock, Arkansas, the director of the Sequoyah Research Institute and the Native American Press Archives. He will be speaking about the Sequoyah Center's work on indexing and digitizing the Cherokee Nation newspapers online. Barbara Butler Rust, the senior archivist at the Southwest Region of the United States National Archives in Fort Worth, Texas. Ms. Rust will speak about the Cherokee records available for research at the archives. Another speaker, Jack D. Baker, a Cherokee National Historical Society board member and officer as well as President of the National Trail of Tears Association, will give a presentation entitled, "Truths and Myths About the Cherokee Trail of Tears." Another presentation will be given by William D. Welge, senior archivist at the Oklahoma Historical Society. His subject will concern the little used records of Cherokee resources at the OHS. Anita A. Finger of North Carolina, a genealogist affiliated with the Qualla Family History Research Group, will talk about Cherokee research in Western North Carolina. Sue Tolbert, president of the Oklahoma Cemeteries Preservation Association, will give her presentation on historic cemeteries in the Cherokee Nation. Other speakers include, Roy Hamilton, President of the Cherokee National Historical Society will discuss the work of the late Dr. Angie Debo concerning the corruption among the members of the Dawes Commission and its effect on the Cherokee Nation. Gene Norris, senior genealogist at the Cherokee National Historical Society, will discuss the topic, "Records: A Cherokee by Blood or Citizenship." Registration begins at 8:30 a.m. on Friday and Saturday in the lobby of the hotel. The sessions of each day will being at 9:30 a.m. Lunch is at the discretion of the attendee as there is a restaurant in the hotel and several in the vicinity of the Trade Winds. Cost for the two-day conference is $60 for members of the CNHS and $75 for non-members. The fees must be received by May 26, 2006. After May 26, the cost will be $80 and $95, respectively. Seating is limited to 75. The Trade Winds Central Inn has rooms available each night for a special rate of $50 for a single and $55 for a double, if reserved by May 26, 2006. There will be vendors at the conference including the Cherokee National Museum Store, Marybelle Chase, Cherokee author, and the National Trail of Tears Association. For more information, please contact Gene Norris or Ben Chasenah at the Cherokee Family Research Center, P. O. Box 515, Tahlequah, OK 74465 or call 1-888-999-6007, Ext. 239 or 242. The email address is genealogy@cherokeeheritage.org or chasenah@cherokeeheritage.org

If a Cherokee female was no longer living with the tribe but had become a slave to someone, would they be listed/counted in the 1835 census or just disappear? (Norfth Carolina area) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Woolf" <woolfpac@prodigy.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:05 AM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] one more about the 1835 Census and the statistical analysis (quadroon and half blood) > one more at > > http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8723(197712)64%3A3%3C678%3ATCITAS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4 > > > About the Journal > This journal is licensed to JSTOR by > Organization of American Historians > > The Cherokees in Transition: A Statistical Analysis of the Federal > Cherokee > Census of 1835 > William G. McLoughlin, Walter H. Conser, Jr. > Journal of American History, Vol. 64, No. 3 (Dec., 1977) , pp. 678-703 > > *My (DLW) note: although I could not find it on the page because I > did not have access > to be searching the JSTOR library, the search engine listed the > following about the page: > Analysis of the Cherokee census of 1835, and such other census > data as > is ... bloods" (Cherokee-white), "quadroon" (25 percent > Cherokee-75 per- > cent white), > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Anything other than white was refered to as Colored.......Blew me away the first time I was called colored (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Woolf Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 11:08 PM To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann QUADROON iis 1/4 black as you said and the dictionary I read it stated it clearly as 1/4 black and mixed white. When referenced in the native tribes it may mean 1/4 indian and the rest other, because during a certain period of history all dark skinned people were considered BLACK by many in U.S. DRAGOON was a unit in the military (as far as I know). are you sure it was DRAGOON you meant to write? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettye Woodhull" <betron1@sbcglobal.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: Fw: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann > Izzie, this is the way this message appeared on CherokeeGene-L URL site > Bettye > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "izzie" <izzie@sstelco.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 5:25 AM > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Catherine McCoy-Miller-Gann > > >> Anyone: >> I have been looking at the 1835 roll or census record of the Cherokees >> today and found some startling information. Catherine Gann is listed, >> several in family, all are listed as Quadroons. I looked it up and the >> dictionary says they were 1/4 black. Has anyone found this before? I >> checked Daniel McCoy family and they are also listed as Dragoons. On >> Stand Watie, he is listed with only to people, him and wife. One is full >> blood and one dragoon. I know from searching records that he was married >> to a Miller at that time. Can anyone explain any of these? >> >> Thanks >> Donna >> >> >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >> Please Good manors and no flaming others >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >> or to get off this list via web site below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manors and no flaming others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manors and no flaming others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

one more at http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8723(197712)64%3A3%3C678%3ATCITAS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-4 About the Journal This journal is licensed to JSTOR by Organization of American Historians The Cherokees in Transition: A Statistical Analysis of the Federal Cherokee Census of 1835 William G. McLoughlin, Walter H. Conser, Jr. Journal of American History, Vol. 64, No. 3 (Dec., 1977) , pp. 678-703 *My (DLW) note: although I could not find it on the page because I did not have access to be searching the JSTOR library, the search engine listed the following about the page: Analysis of the Cherokee census of 1835, and such other census data as is ... bloods" (Cherokee-white), "quadroon" (25 percent Cherokee-75 per- cent white),