I was told that my 3rd great grandfather had an indian name of something like Cholees? Does this name have a specific meaning that anyone is aware of? Thanks for your time. Kevin in California

I descend from the John Rogers and Sarah Cordery line. However, my great-grandfather's half brother, Joseph Rogers, eventually married Victoria Rogers Martin who does appear to be a descendant of the John Rogers who married Elizabeth Emory. This Joseph Rogers is living with his father next door to the Blythes in the 1860 McDonald Co., Missouri census, so I can't altogether rule out the possibility that I'm looking for a Rogers from the Emory line instead of the Cordery one. -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Burns [mailto:kbswanie95@yahoo.com] LaMyra, From what Rogers are you from. I am from the Charles Rogers line who parents were John Rogers and Elizabeth Emory Kathleen

Could someone help me with a name? I need to know if the name Gamaliel is Cherokee or NA? Terri

No, it is Jewish. He was a member of the Sanhedrin and was one of the ones that tried Stephen in the book of Acts. Blessings! Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terri" <mickeydoe47@comcast.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:00 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] i need help > Could someone help me with a name? I need to know if the name Gamaliel is > Cherokee or NA? > > Terri > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

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Thank you for the update on Nancy Ward. I first met her in Wilma Mankiller's bio. What newspaper has the articles? Shirley

For those of you not familiar with the name Nancy Ward she was a Cherokee Beloved Woman whose reputation is much too long and storied for me to tell here. Just let it be said that she is probably the most well know Cherokee Woman in history. When she died JD Clemmer said he saw her spirit rise from her body. He was 4 at the time and told the tale all his life. She is buried just south of Benton, Polk County, Tennessee. It is now a state park. Just last summer a very moving ceremony was held to dedicate the area. It was attended by several prominent Cherokee leaders. Just after she died a stone mason in Grainger Co, TN was commissioned to carve a statue in her likeness for her grave site. I can't recall from memory the exact reason why but the statue never made it to her grave. It was sold and found on the grave of Maggie Farmer in Granger County where it resided for 70 years. In the 1940's, periodically until the 1980's Polk Co. Historian, Roy Lillard, campaigned to get the statue returned to her gravesite. They had, apparently, negotiated a deal with Maggie Farmer's grandson but when they went to pick it up it was gone and had been missing for a month. Apparently a Mr. Allen somehow got possession of it in Morristown, TN. It followed him to Florida then into Maine. After Mr. Allen died his dtr sold the statue to an Antique dealer there. In New York Mr. Richard Lawrence who is a Nancy Ward descendent saw a photo of the statue in an antiques show ad. He contacted the owners in Maine then met with them to discuss the issue. He also contacted Mr. Ray Smith who was aiding in the search, along with Angie King (who works for TN Park service near Benton). www.smithdray.net is the web site for what has been achieved so far THere is quite an article in the newspaper about it this week with more to come next week. I intend to call Ms. King tomorrow to see what can be done to help retreive the statue. THe shop that has possession of the statue has it priced at $165,000.00. Ms. King is trying to learn if Mr. Lillard had completed the negotiations in 1980 that would prove ownership. Pray that this happens. After being gone from her grave site for 170 years it is time for it to come home. I understand that there is people looking into the legal aspects of the situation. You can be sure I will keep all of you informed of how this progresses. Everyone in this area who is anywhere near involved in the history of our area is very excited. Joyce Gaston Reece

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LaMyra, From what Rogers are you from. I am from the Charles Rogers line who parents were John Rogers and Elizabeth Emory Kathleen LaMyra Morton <lamyra@fidmail.com> wrote: The age and place of birth fit with those of Nancy Fields Blythe as listed in the 1850 census. Her husband William Blythe died in 1854 living the possibility of a late life marriage with the next husband dieing before 1860. I've seen researchers that give her year of death as 1861 but don't know where that comes from. Since I come from the Rogers side, I'm still wondering which Rogers this lady could have been married to. Looks like surviving McDonald Co., MO records don't start until 1865. -----Original Message----- Nancy FIELDS, dau of Cherokee Chief Richard FIELDS, maybe? A possible lead. http://genforum.genealogy.com/blythe/messages/1161.html Hope it helps. Preston --------------------------- ................named Nancy Rogers age 63 born in Tennessee living with them. I can't figure out who this Nancy Rogers is and was wondering if anyone else out there knows. She doesn't seem to fit with any information I have for available aunts....... ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manners and do not be rude to others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manners and do not be rude to others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.

The age and place of birth fit with those of Nancy Fields Blythe as listed in the 1850 census. Her husband William Blythe died in 1854 living the possibility of a late life marriage with the next husband dieing before 1860. I've seen researchers that give her year of death as 1861 but don't know where that comes from. Since I come from the Rogers side, I'm still wondering which Rogers this lady could have been married to. Looks like surviving McDonald Co., MO records don't start until 1865. -----Original Message----- Nancy FIELDS, dau of Cherokee Chief Richard FIELDS, maybe? A possible lead. http://genforum.genealogy.com/blythe/messages/1161.html Hope it helps. Preston --------------------------- ................named Nancy Rogers age 63 born in Tennessee living with them. I can't figure out who this Nancy Rogers is and was wondering if anyone else out there knows. She doesn't seem to fit with any information I have for available aunts....... ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== This list is for Genealogy related conversations Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html Please Good manners and do not be rude to others For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com You can also find what you need search the archives or to get off this list via web site below http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com

I am looking for information about Joseph Deraque or Durock or Durard, and his wife Elizabeth Bennett Durard. Their son Lewis married Sally Tippy about 1816. I believe Joseph was from Quebec, Canada. I have a copy of "Incidents in the Early Settlement of East Tennessee and Knoxville" dated October 1859 and "DUNCAN, John Revolutionary war Pension Applications" dated 5 March 1833. In the first article, it talks about "Deraque, a Frenchman, and Finnelston, a half-breed, were sent to Nashville, with a promice to return in ten nights with a report of the country's condition for defence(sic). The warriors at Lookout Mountain town, however, did not wait the return of their faitless emissaries." ect. In the second article, John Duncan remembers, " Subsequently, again he was ordered out in a light hourse company to Nashville in Tn and there go in pursuit of the indians under the command of Coln. Robert Hays, under an apprehension from the report of one Durock? and a half breed that the indians intended attacking and taking Nashville: but the indians not making the attack at that time." ect. Thank you for any information Jim

Nancy Fields was born in 1793 not 1797, so the dates are wrong. Also I have never heard of another marriage for Nancy (Fields) Blythe. The surname Rogers would be from James wife's family..... (Joseph and Hannah (Foster) Rogers.) Sharon

That's what occurred to me, Preston. Nannie Rogers? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Preston Washington" <prestonw@ncaddkc.org> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:12 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > Nancy FIELDS, dau of Cherokee Chief Richard FIELDS, maybe? A possible > lead. > > http://genforum.genealogy.com/blythe/messages/1161.html > > Hope it helps. > Preston > > > ................named Nancy Rogers age 63 born in Tennessee living with > them. I can't figure out who this Nancy Rogers is and was wondering if > anyone else out there knows. She doesn't seem to fit with any > information I have for available aunts....... > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 3/22/2006 > >

Nancy FIELDS, dau of Cherokee Chief Richard FIELDS, maybe? A possible lead. http://genforum.genealogy.com/blythe/messages/1161.html Hope it helps. Preston ................named Nancy Rogers age 63 born in Tennessee living with them. I can't figure out who this Nancy Rogers is and was wondering if anyone else out there knows. She doesn't seem to fit with any information I have for available aunts.......

Anyone with info on the following couple: Susan Blankenship brn 1826 Shelby county Al John J Epperson brn 1815 Tenn Married 1843 Coosa Ala. I believe their daughter Mary Epperson brn 1844 Coosa Al to be my G G Grandmother. She was married to John Hallmark 1871 in Shelby Al. Thank You Barbara

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James Blythe and wife, Sarah Jemima Rogers appear on the 1860 census for McDonald Co., Missouri. Sarah Jemima is the granddaughter of John Rogers and Sarah Cordery and daughter of Joseph Rogers and Hannah Foster (both died before 1860). Besides their children and Jemima's sister there is a woman named Nancy Rogers age 63 born in Tennessee living with them. I can't figure out who this Nancy Rogers is and was wondering if anyone else out there knows. She doesn't seem to fit with any information I have for available aunts. I have Emmitt Starr's book; Shadburn's Unhallowed Intrusion; and David Hampton's Cherokee Mixed Bloods but still haven't been able to figure who she is. LaMyra

Wow..how unfortunate.

"Tribal Chief Opposes Ruling: The Cherokee Leader Wants Councilors To Help Overturn A Freedmen Citizenship Decision.," S.E. Ruckman, Tulsa World (Oklahoma) Distributed by Knight/Ridder Tribune News Service, March 15, 2006. Copyright 2006 Tulsa World. ["TAHLEQUAH: Cherokee Nation Chief Chad Smith has urged tribal councilors to take action that could reverse a recent landmark decision that expanded tribal citizenship to freedmen descendants. Smith's urging comes scarcely one week after the Judicial Appeals Tribunal ruled that freedmen descendants were to be recognized as citizens with privileges. Smith emphasized the options during a legislative session and his state-of-the-nation address at the regular council meeting Monday. During the meeting, Smith said the Judicial Appeals Tribunal decision could be addressed by calling for a tribal constitutional convention to amend the current document or through referendum petition. He indicated that the Cherokee people should decide questions on tribal citizenship instead of tribal courts. Meanwhile, the tribal council could draft a resolution to ask for a constitutional convention to amend the constitution upon which the judges based their ruling, Smith said. Tribal councilors, he noted, could also draft a resolution asking for a referendum vote by the people on citizenship. Voters in the 250,000-member tribe would provide an answer, he said. 'Do we provide Cherokee citizens the authority to decide who their citizens are?' he said. 'I would think citizenship is the right of the people to decide.' In his state of the nation address Monday night, Smith offered his theory about freedmen citizenship. 'These Cherokees believe the freedmen did not help during the last 100 years to rebuild the Cherokee Nation and should not at this late time reap any benefits that Cherokees have earned,' he said. Sitting in the audience, Marilyn Vann, president of the Descendants of Freedmen Association, said she was disappointed by Smith's reasoning. 'The judges have written a very detailed decision. I would like to think the council and voters realize that," she said. "I see the Cherokee Nation as a nation, not a race.'"]

If you find a potential family member's app. get it you'd be surprise at the info. you can find. Alli :) On 3/15/06, LaRuth & Mark <lmgates@ghg.net> wrote: > Susan, > > Thank you so much. I have already learned a good deal from the > information you gave me. I will go in to some of these rolls and see > what else I can find. I am afraid that Richard Daniel B. Henderson's > mother may be the one with true Cherokee blood and we don't have her > maiden name. But I have been trying to look for brothers and sisters > and hope that one of them or their offspring made application. There > was a Robert Henderson (b 1780) that was a brother to John Henderson who > was Richard's father. Maybe the Robert you listed is a relative of his. > > Also, I did find an Eliza Henderson in one of the Cherokee applications, > age 55, BB (Blood % IW), #3198. I do not remember which roll I was in. > But Eliza A. Henderson (b 1840, GA) is Richard Daniel B. Henderson's > sister. Is there a way to know which roll it was by just the number? > I may just have to go back and try to retrace my steps. When I first > started, I didn't realize I needed the roll name > > You have been a great help and I really appreciate it. > > La Ruth > > Susan Reynolds wrote: > > > Hello, La Ruth! > > > > Cherokee research is fun, but can be a little frustrating. Maybe this > > will help. > > > > The Henderson Roll is one of three documents also called the Trail of > > Tears Roll. This roll was prepared in 1835 and was a listing of just > > over 16000 Cherokee who were to be sent from GA, NC, TN, AL to the > > Indian Territory in what is now OK. Not everyone on the Henderson > > Roll actually walked the Trail of Tears, but it is the base roll for > > that event. > > > > If you are looking at the Dawes Roll, the easiest way to do that is at > > http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/dawes.php > > Ages on the regular cards here are as of 1900 for Cherokee Nation and > > on the Cherokee Minor Cards (children born after the initial process) > > as of 4 March 190 It can be a little confusing at first interpreting > > which parents belong to which person, but Jim Hicks' Cherokee Lineages > > can help you out there > > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/c/James-R-Hicks-VA/ > > Jim's work is based initially on the Starr genealogies and he is > > adding to and correcting those genealogies as he gets the > > documentation together. If you don't find much noted for > > documentation, he probably hasn't gotten there, yet. The Starr > > genealogies had some flaws, so don't take any of it for granted, > > verify it for yourself. Jim is the first to say new information comes > > to light all the time that completely changes the way a family is linked. > > > > Now, the Dawes Roll. If your people did not go to the Indian > > Territory you will not find them on the Dawes Roll. One of the major > > requirements for that land allotment was residence in the IT. If you > > find a record in the 1894 Index for the Dawes Commission, it means > > they applied, but never made it past the initial screening. This was > > most often due to the residency requirement, but it could also be > > because a person didn't appear on the 1880 or 1896 Cherokee Nation > > census, which was the other requirement. If a person did not appear > > on one of those, they could apply for citizenship (that's what this > > 1894 index covers, is those applications). There were many reasons a > > person might not be on the census. They may have been absent from the > > Cherokee Nation at the time of the enumeration. If they were away for > > more than 6 months, without the consent of the Cherokee government, > > they lost their citizenship and had to be reinstated. Many neglected > > to do this and had to be reinstated in 1894 and after 1896. This was > > done based on the testimony of other citizens, so there were some that > > were denied citizenship for political reasons and sometimes just > > because people were mad at them and it was a way to get back at them. > > Most often, it was because their families had been gone from the > > Nation so long no one knew them or remembered their ancestors. So, > > those applications on the 1894 index have genealogical value, but they > > won't provide paper proof of Cherokee ancestry. Many of us know we > > are Cherokee, but will never have the paper documentation. > > > > If your family remained in GA, you will need to look at the Eastern > > Rolls. I have Bob Blankenship's Cherokee Roots 1 which indexes the > > names on the Eastern Rolls and there were no Henderson's on any roll > > in his index which begins with the Reservation Rolls 1817. I also > > have his Guion Miller Roll Plus which shows the rejected applications > > as well as accepted applications for this commission which began it's > > work in 1909. This roll determined which persons were eligible for a > > per capita payment ordered by the Court of Appeals to compensate the > > Cherokee for loses incurred because of the Removals. If you think any > > of the people listed below are yours, it would be worth ordering the > > microfilm in at your local library or Family History Center. Each > > application should have a minimum of three generations listed in it. > > > > Henderson, California - appl # 39846 - GA > > Henderson, Emma - appl # 15259 - GA > > Henderson, Ester - appl # 41882 - GA > > Henderson, Genia - appl # 33555 - GA > > Henderson, Nancy E. - appl # 13749 - GA > > Henderson, Powell - appl # 43852 - GA > > Henderson, Robert - appl # 43854 - GA > > Henderson, W.P. - appl # 37368 - GA > > > > Rejection for the Miller Roll or any of the Rolls for that matter, > > doesn't mean they weren't Cherokee. It simply means they had lived in > > the white community as whites for so long they could not prove they > > were Cherokee. Or, as did sadly happen, sometimes they were rejected > > as I noted above even though they were known and acknowledged as > > Cherokee. Many fought the battle out in court and won. Others > > decided it wasn't worth the fight and let it drop there. Forsythe and > > Murray Counties were certainly in the heart of the old Cherokee Nation > > and your people may have hidden in plain sight when it was unsafe to > > be Cherokee - or any other Nation. If that is the case, you might > > never be able to prove it unless their names show up in someone else's > > Miller application that is accepted. > > > > I hope that helps some. > > > > Blessings! > > Susan > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaRuth & Mark" <lmgates@ghg.net> > > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:55 PM > > Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Genealogy > > > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I am also researching my family background. The family story is that > >> my great grandmother was 1/2 or 1/4 Indian and they think Cherokee. > >> Her name was Clifford Cordelia Henderson, born in Murray, GA, May 16, > >> 1856 or 1858. I have located a picture of her parents and they are > >> Richard Daniel B Henderson, born about 1836 in Georgia and Julia Ann > >> Green who was white. He is definitely Indian and possibly full > >> blood. The census for 1840, 1850 and 1860 shows him in Forsyth > >> County, GA. So I am trying to find information of his parents and > >> their background. Richard Daniel B. Henderson's parents are John > >> Henderson, born 1807 in GA, and Mary Henderson, born 1812 GA (no > >> maiden name). They seem to have mostly been in Forsyth County, but > >> also Murray County. > >> > >> I have looked in some Indian applications and census records, and > >> have found some John Henderson's, but nothing definite. Whenever you > >> look at a card, how do you know the date of the card or at least a > >> time frame? Most don't mention a date. So when I see how old one > >> John Henderson is, it doesn't help me much. > >> Also under the Armstrong Roll, it mentions a Henderson roll of 1835 > >> History of Cherokee Indians from AL, GA, TN, and NC. There is no way > >> to click on that and I didn't have any luck under the Armstrong > >> Roll. There seems to be several Hendersons in the Choctaw Indians > >> also. 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