Sorry--Couldn't find the other address--I felt this was too important to wait. We need to support our brothers and sisters and Mother Earth. Despite the fact that the United Nations has ordered the United States to "freeze", "desist" and "stop" actions being taken, or threatened to be taken, against the Western Shoshone Peoples of the Western Shoshone Nation, the United States is planning to detonate a 700 ton explosion on June 2, 2006 at the Nevada Test Site, which is on Western Shoshone land. We need you to help STOP this test! The Western Shoshone remain the most bombed nation on the world, experiencing more than 1000 test explosions over the last 50 years, and June 2's planned "Divine Strike" will add to this history. You can help CANCEL the bomb by making your voice heard. Here's what you need to do! Join the Western Shoshone National Council, the Western Shoshone Defense Project, and Shundahai Network call for the United States Government to cancel the test immediately. Concerned citizens can call or write to express their opinions: >President George W. Bush >_comments@whitehouse.gov_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=comments@whitehouse.gov&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) <mailto:_comments@whitehouse.gov_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=comments@whitehouse.gov&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) > >202-456-1111 >The White House >1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW >Washington, DC 20500 > >Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld >_http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html_ (http://www.defenselink.mil/faq/comment.html) >Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld >Secretary of Defense >1000 Defense Pentagon >Washington, DC 20301-1000 > >James Tegnelia >_dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) <mailto:_dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b ) > >(800) 701-5096 >Defense Threat Reduction Agency >Attn: James Tegnelia >8725 John J Kingman RD Stop 6201 >Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-6201 > >Thank you for making your voice heard! > >Miigwech, > >Honor the Earth <_http://www.honorearth.org/_ (http://www.honorearth.org/) > > >For more information: > >Western Shoshone Defense Project <_http://www.wsdp.org/_ (http://www.wsdp.org/) > > >Shundahai Network <_http://www.shundahai.org/_ (http://www.shundahai.org/) > ><_http://www.shundahai.org/_ (http://www.shundahai.org/) > > >Western Shoshone Defense Project > >Shundahai Network > >Joint Press Release, April 4, 2006 > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE : > >U.S. Defies U.N. Decision and Contradicts Earlier Public Statement– >Plans Massive Military Detonation on Western Shoshone Land – > >Western Shoshone call for halt to planned June 2 “Bunker Buster” >detonation at the Nevada Test Site > >Speaking with media last week, US military spokesman James Tegnelia >confirmed U.S. plans to detonate a 700 ton explosion at the Nevada Test Site on June 2, 2006 in a test called “Divine Strake.” The location of >this test would be on Western Shoshone land, and would be in direct >violation of a recent decision by the United Nations Committee on the >Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD). In its decision, made >public March 10, 2006, the CERD Committee urged the United States to >“freeze”, “desist” and “stop” actions being taken, or threatened to be >taken, against the Western Shoshone Peoples of the Western Shoshone >Nation. In its decision, CERD stressed the “nature and urgency” of the >Shoshone situation informing the U.S. that it goes “well beyond” the >normal reporting process and warrants immediate attention under the >Committee’s Early Warning and Urgent Action Procedure. > >The CERD decision explicitly cited ongoing weapons testing at the Nevada Test Site as well as efforts to build an unprecedented high-level >nuclear waste repository at Yucca Mountain, NV. > >James Tegnelia of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency was quoted by >Agence France Press as saying, "I don't want to sound glib here but it is the first time in Nevada that you'll see a mushroom cloud over Las >Vegas since we stopped testing nuclear weapons," and notes further that this is the “largest single explosive that we could imagine.” The >Department of Defense announced in late October 2005 that the Robust >Nuclear Earth Penetrating (RNEP) weapon project was being dropped in >favor of a more conventional methodology. > >The detonation plan also runs contrary to earlier public statements made in late March to the Las Vegas Review-Journal by Linton F. Brooks, >administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration. In his >statement, Mr. Brooks announced that the Bush administration had no >plans to start detonating warheads at the Nevada Test Site. "We have >absolutely no evidence that we're going to need to test. ... We don't >see any specific reason now that leads us to believe we'll need a test," >Mr. Brooks said. "On the other hand," he said, "we don't know everything >about the future." > >According to Raymond Yowell, Chief of the Western Shoshone National >Council, “We’re opposed to any further military testing on Shoshone >lands. This is a direct violation of the CERD finding and an affront to our religious belief - Mother Earth is sacred and should not be harmed. >All people who are opposed to these actions by the U.S. should step >forward and make their opposition known.” > >Carrie Dann, Western Shoshone grandmother and Executive Director of the Western Shoshone Defense Project, “The U.S. has named this 700 ton >explosive ‘Divine Strake’. It’s a mystery why they use ‘devine.’ Isn’t >‘devine’ used for your deity, God, Your sacredness? Why don’t they call >it ‘Hell Strake?’ I believe when you are working testing weaponry of >destruction of life, you should not associate it with ‘devine.’ We want this insanity to stop – no more bombs and no more testing.” > >Eileen McCabe-Olsen, Associate Director of Shundahai Network noted, >“This test, besides being an egregious violation of Western Shoshone >sovereignty, is an escalation that should outrage anyone concerned with peace, justice and care of our environment.” > >Pete Litster, Executive Director of Shundahai Network said “Ongoing >weapons tests at the Nevada Test Site violate international law. They >violate the standing treaty between the U.S. Government and the Western Shoshone people. They also violate the spirit of non-proliferation of >weapons of mass destruction. The Test Site is located on Western >Shoshone territory, and must not continue to be misused in bold >violation of standing agreements between the U.S. government and the >Western Shoshone nation.” > >Although approval for the test was sought and obtained from the state of Nevada in January 2006, the test detonation can be cancelled. The >Western Shoshone National Council, the Western Shoshone Defense Project, and Shundahai Network call for the United States Government to do so >immediately. Concerned citizens can call or write to express their >opinions: > >President George W. Bush _comments@whitehouse.gov_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=comments@whitehouse.gov&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0& view=a&head=b) ><mailto:_comments@whitehouse.gov_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=comments@whitehouse.gov&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) > 202-456-1111 > >The White House >1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW >Washington, DC 20500 > >Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld _http://www.dod.gov/faq/comment.html_ (http://www.dod.gov/faq/comment.html) > >Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld >Secretary of Defense >1000 Defense Pentagon >Washington, DC 20301-1000 > >James Tegnelia _dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&vie w=a&head=b) ><mailto:_dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=dtra.publicaffairs@dtra.mil&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&hea d=b) > (800) 701-5096 > >Defense Threat Reduction Agency >Attn: James Tegnelia >8725 John J Kingman RD Stop 6201 >Fort Belvoir, VA 22060-6201 > >CONTACTS: > >Julie Fishel, Western Shoshone Defense Project 775-468-0230 _wsdp@igc.org_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=wsdp@igc.org&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) ><mailto:_wsdp@igc.org_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=wsdp@igc.org&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) > > >Pete Litster, Shundahai Network 801-637-1500 _pete@shundahai.org_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=pete@shundahai.org&YY=639&order=down&sort=d ate&pos=0&view=a&head=b) ><mailto:_pete@shundahai.org_ (http://us.f820.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=pete@shundahai.org&YY=639&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b) > > >The Western Shoshone Defense Project's ( www.wsdp.org ><_http://www.wsdp.org/_ (http://www.wsdp.org/) > ) mission is to affirm New (Western Shoshone) >jurisdiction over Newe Sogobia (Western Shoshone homelands) by >protecting, preserving, and restoring Newe rights and lands for present >and future generations based on cultural and spiritual traditions. The >W.S.D.P. was established in 1991 by the Western Shoshone National >Council to provide support to Mary and Carrie Dann, Western Shoshone >grandmothers who were facing the confiscation of the livestock that they >graze on Western Shoshone lands. > >Shundahai Network ( www.shundahai.org <_http://www.shundahai.org/_ (http://www.shundahai.org/) > ) is >dedicated to breaking the nuclear chain by building alliances with >indigenous communities and environmental, peace and human rights >movements. We seek to abolish all nuclear weapons and an end to nuclear >testing. We advocate phasing out nuclear energy and ending the >transportation and dumping of nuclear waste. We promote the principles >of Environmental Justice and strive to insure that indigenous voices are >heard in the movement to influence U.S. nuclear and environmental >policies. All of our campaigns and events incorporate the values of >community building, education, spiritual ceremonies and nonviolent >direct action. > > You have received this email from Honor the Earth on behalf of a >colleague or friend who thought you'd be interested in this message. We >will not directly send additional emails to your account unless you sign >up at our site.

I finally got Angie King on the phone today. She said basically that the Tenn. Bureau of Investigation was working on the case and agrees that getting the Cherokee Nation, east and west, involved is a wonderful idea. Their angle is to try to prove ownership of the statue the get it return in that way. My biggest fear is that is will disappear again before the current holders of the statue can be told/warned/advised to not let it get away. I am not sure of who to contact within the Cherokee structure but I'm hoping that some of you will help us get the ball rolling on this project A good friend, Donna Delgadillo, advises getting the folks at NAGPRA involved. This is the Native American Graves Protection Repatriation Act. She also recommends trying to learn if there is a American Indian Movement (AIM) in the state or region. I'd venture to guess that once the Nation's leaders learn of the find they will do what they can to see it returned. For those of you who aren't aware,I got an email from the nephew of the man who carved the statue. He said that his uncle would be flattered but wonder what all the fuss was about. He'd always intended for it to be on Nancy's grave site but had sold it to Mr. Farmer for his wife's grave (Maggie). The nephew agrees that it should be placed on the grave. Maggie Farmer was a Walker by birth. This week's Polk County News article goes thru more of the history of the search for the statue. Any of you who know who to contact within the governing structure of the eastern and western Cherokee bands could you please tell me so I can contact them and let them know what is going on. As stated earlier the most immediate problem of making SURE the current owners know there is a movement underway to get it, somehow, returned. Scotty, let me know what you find out from your friend. Joyce Gaston Reece

Since my typing skills aren't the best, this isn't a word for word transcript, but gives an idea of the kind of information supplied on a Guion-Miller application. This application consistently spells the surname 'Geuy' all the way through it, but Berley's tombstone and living descendants are using 'Gouy' as the spelling. Cherokee Roll Card No. 10931, residence Lebanon, Missouri Dawes no. 32723 (1)Geuy, Berley E., 24, 1/16, enrolled 1896 Cooweescoowee Dist, no. 487 Dawes no. 32724 (2) " Charles, 3, 1/32 See Cherokee card no. R699 and R700 On Cherokee card no. D831, Nov 19,1900. On Cherokee card no. R815 Jan 5 , 1903,on this card July 22, 1905 No. 171 Eastern Cherokee Application of Berley E. Geuy, Sept 11, 1906 1. State full name English name: Berley Ethel Geuy Maiden name: Berley Ethel Bantley 2. Residence: Hutchinson 3. Town and post office: " 4. County: Reno 5. State: Kansas 6. Date and place of birth: Lebanon, Mo. June 18, 1876 7. By what right do you claim to share? : Grandfather, Oscar Rogers and mother Alice Rogers Bantley 8. Married?: Yes 9. Name and age of husband: Jesse Geuy 34 years old 10. Give names of father and mother: Father: Charles Augustus Bantley Mother: Alice Bantley, maiden name: Alice Grey Rogers 11. Where were they born? Father: Germany Mother: near Talequah, I.T. 12. Where did they reside in 1851, if living? Father: Johnstown, Pennsylvania Mother: Born 1854, I believe she was born near Talequah, I. T. 13. Date of death of your father and mother- Father: July 22- 1902 Mother: Sept 11-1882 14. Were they ever enrolled for annuities, land or other benefits: My mother, Alice Rogers Bantley was on the roll but do not know when & where she was enrolled- 15. Name all your brothers and sister, giving ages and, if not living, the date of death: (1)Oscar G. Bantley, b. May 10-'73 (2)Rose E. Bantley, b. Feb 8- 75 (3)Chas. H. Bantley, b. Nov 18-78 16. State English and Indian names of grandparents on both sides: Gottlieb Bantley and Rose Elmira Bantley Oscar Rogers and Josephine E. Rogers-Sack. The above were separated in '63. My grandmother married Charles Sack and they reside at Lebanon, Mo. 17. Where were they born? Unknown 18. Where did they reside in 1851? Grandfather Rogers resided in Indian Terri. Near Talequah. 19. Give names of all their children and residence if living; if not, give dates of death: (1)Joe Rogers, Nowata, I.T. (2)Alf. Rogers, somewhere in Territory, I believe (3)Alice Rogers Bantley, died Sept 11-82,at Lebanon, Mo. 20. Have you ever been enrolled for benefits? First enrolled at Vinita in 1880. ___ money from Cherokee strip. 21. To expedite identification, give English and Indian names of ancestors back to 1835: I do not know if my Grandfather Rogers had an Indian name. He was a brother of Aunt Jemima Blythe and Aunt Jos Ann Hall of Vinita, I.T. Remarks. Great-grandfather Joseph Rogers was on the roll of 1835. in 1837 came west at his own expense with his wife and 5 children namely. Eliza, "Oscar", Jemima, Margaret,& John (who was born on the road Sept 15-1837)Evelyn, Katherine & Joseph Ann was born in Cherokee Nation. [Signatures and affidavit follow] There is also a supplemental application for Minor Child dated May 13, 1907 stating that Berley Ethel Geuy is a resident of 228 E. Sherman St., Hutchison, Kansas. She is applying for her child, Charles Gerald Geuy, 9 years old, born Nov 11 1897, he was previously enrolled in Jan 1898 at Vinita, I.T. No.171, admitted Berley E. Geuy and 1 child-applicant claims through mother who was not living in 1851. Mother's father Oscar Rogers enrolled in Delaware Dist. ___ 925. His children [these are Joseph's children, Oscar's siblings] John, Catherine and Josef Ann are also enrolled Del. 925. Greatgrand father Joseph Rogers in 1835. 171 Berley E. Geuy, 24276, 29261 Claims thro. Oscar Rogers Del. 925, Joseph Rogers 1835 Roll Application appear to be o.k. Grouped herewith are nos. 9396, 1678, 23555, 31544, 33494

Good to know. I found a copy of the book at Heritage Papers http://www.heritagepapers.us/site/255960/product/156. I remember looking at this before and giving up on ever being able to figure anything out. -----Original Message----- From: Glee Krapf [mailto:gleek@ptd.net] Susannah Emory and Joseph Martin never had any children together! Joseph's brother John and Susannah did. Emmet Starr sure has caused a bunch of trouble with his book. There is pleanty of proof that John fathered children that Joseph has been given credit for but you have to look for it. See a book called "Whites Among the Cherokees" It info is taken from the GA archives. Glee

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I have just uploaded 4 maps donated by Red Clay State Historic area. They are of Ferries and Industries, Stores, Missions and Schools and a District Map of the Cherokee Nation east 1810 -- 1838 Feel free to save these to your computer so you can enlarge them and read them better. www.rootsweb.com/~tnpolk2 Follow RECORDS, scroll down to "C" Joyce Gaston Reece

Thanks for taking the time to reply. I suppose it just isn't in the cards for me to find this family. Hope this finds you well. Thanks again, Kevin In a message dated 3/25/2006 8:04:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, gleek@ptd.net writes: Joseph Martin Jr. had three wives and 20 children. Two with Betsy Ward the rest with white wives. Joseph was white. His brother, Johm, fathered children with Mary and Susannah Emory. I know a little about the children he had with Susannah because some of them connect to other members of my family. But I just do not know anything about the people who you are talking about. I cannot help you at all and and there are countless Martin families all over the us. Sorry, Glee

Thanks for the reply and info. I greatly appreciate it. In a message dated 3/25/2006 7:20:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, harrocha214@hotmail.com writes: cholee is a name from Florida- I think it's related to the seminoles- but then again the seminoles "adopted" other tribal members into their own as well- but I'm pretty sure it's a unique to the seminoles name and in the end- we are all family-

Judge John Martin was not Joseph Martin's brother but his nephew. The Cherokee Judge was fathered by John Martin who was the brother of Joseph. I guess all the Johns are confuseing. The Judge was named after his father. The Judge's mother was Susannah Emory. Judge John Martin had two wives at the same time they were sisters and they lived in two different houses several miles apart. He fathered children with both at the same time. There are books out there on his descendants with his two wives. I think that most or all of them ended up in OK. There should be a lot about this family on line somewhere. Do a google search for the good Judge and his many offspring. Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > Have you checked out the 4 Hembree Data Projects? William Emory and his > children are covered quite extensively in the Abraham project. > www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 RECORDS scroll down to "H" > > > Susannah Emory was never in a relationship with Joseph Martin. The only > evidence we have found is that she was in a liason with Cpt. John Stuart > of Fort Loudon fame, Richard Fields then Judge JOHN Martin...Joseph's > brother. > > I'm interested in what you learn...keep me informed...OK? > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LaMyra Morton" <lamyra@fidmail.com> > To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:46 PM > Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > > >> I'm very fuzzy on Victoria's line. I'm relying heavily on others >> research. I >> believe the Martin side runs back like this: Victoria Rogers >> Martin>Joseph >> Lynch Martin>John Martin>Joseph Martin and Susannah Emory. Her Rogers >> side >> seems to go: Victoria>Lucy Brown Rogers>Thomas Lewis Rogers>John >> Rogers>John >> Rogers and Elizabeth Emory. >> >> I haven't ruled out the children of John Rogers and Jennie Due as >> offering a >> possibility for an unrecorded late marriage. They seem to fall in the >> right >> age bracket. I'm not sure where they were living by this point in time. >> With >> our Rogers that connect to the Corderys, we don't seem to have >> information >> on anyone old enough to be a likely candidate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] >> >> What is the lineage of Victoria please... is she of Jos Martin and Betsy >> Ward? >> >> Have you eliminated John Rogers, Jr and Jennie Due? >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> >> >> ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >> This list is for Genealogy related conversations >> Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >> Please Good manners and do not be rude to others >> For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >> CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com >> You can also find what you need search the archives >> or to get off this list via web site below >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >> Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 >> >> > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

Joseph Martin Jr. had three wives and 20 children. Two with Betsy Ward the rest with white wives. Joseph was white. His brother, Johm, fathered children with Mary and Susannah Emory. I know a little about the children he had with Susannah because some of them connect to other members of my family. But I just do not know anything about the people who you are talking about. I cannot help you at all and and there are countless Martin families all over the us. Sorry, Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: <KRobertsInCA@aol.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > Glee, > I was told that you are "well versed" on the Martin families of > Tennessee. > I am trying to track family of my Great Grandfather, Lewis/Louis Martin > born > 03 Sep 1877. Very little is known of my Martin family line. Louis/Lewis > Martin, as it is told, fled Tennessee right around 1900 after a gun fight > where > it was thought that he killed his opponent. He and a friend, William > Nathan > Bailey, fled Tennessee together and landed in Oklahoma Indian Territory > where > he married Maudie R. Green in about 1905 and William Nathan Bailey > married > Maude's sister, Effie. Louis Martin died 19 Mar 1917 in Texanna Oklahoma > but > the death record indicates that his widow knew nothing of his parents. On > the > only enumeration that I find him on in Oklahoma he states a birthplace of > Ohio but we have long suspected that was possibly to protect his "hiding" > status. Upon his death, Maude reported that Louis/Lewis Martin was > actually born > in Tennessee. > Family lore indicates that Louis/Lewis Martin was contacted by family in > Tennessee prior to his death and told that he could come home as the man > he shot > didn't die. He supposedly declined as he had already married and begun a > family in Oklahoma, IT. > Are you aware of any Martin families with a similar story or Martin > families > with a Lewis/Louis Martin that has missing information. > Any guidance or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Sincerely, > Kevin in California > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

cholee is a name from Florida- I think it's related to the seminoles- but then again the seminoles "adopted" other tribal members into their own as well- but I'm pretty sure it's a unique to the seminoles name and in the end- we are all family- >From: KRobertsInCA@aol.com >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] i need help >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:18:48 EST >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.39]) by >bay0-mc4-f15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, >24 Mar 2006 18:22:44 -0800 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id >k2P2IkZG014653;Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:18:46 -0700 >X-Message-Info: QIy1oIULmHdB8cXCWKqYNa+KuBxmux9TfEbHs3Z/e+g= >Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:18:46 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: KRobertsInCA@aol.com Fri Mar 24 19:18:46 2006 >Old-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 >X-Spam-Flag: NO >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 >Resent-Message-ID: <Am2Ub.A.qkD.GiKJEB@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/19111 >X-Loop: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: CherokeeGene-L-request@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: CherokeeGene-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2006 02:22:45.0001 (UTC) >FILETIME=[0055EF90:01C64FB3] > >I was told that my 3rd great grandfather had an indian name of something >like Cholees? >Does this name have a specific meaning that anyone is aware of? >Thanks for your time. >Kevin in California > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manners and do not be rude to others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Gamaliel was the name of one of my ancestors- an indirect descendant- from what I am told- Gamaliel is either Cherokee or Creek and from N.C. or Virginia. Hope that helps and in the end- we are all family- >From: "Terri" <mickeydoe47@comcast.net> >Reply-To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >To: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] i need help >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:00:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([66.43.27.39]) by >bay0-mc2-f1.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 24 >Mar 2006 16:04:18 -0800 >Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) id >k2P00Jgd015567;Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:00:19 -0700 >X-Message-Info: QIy1oIULmHef4btxnEc15GivxXJTgZGBL3SKDpeFqGs= >Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:00:19 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: mickeydoe47@comcast.net Fri Mar 24 17:00:17 2006 >X-Mailer: IncrediMail (4001888) >Old-To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> >X-FID: PLAINTXT-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 192.168.65.34 >Resent-Message-ID: <MDryBD.A.JyD.TgIJEB@lists2.rootsweb.com> >Resent-From: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/19108 >X-Loop: CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: CherokeeGene-L-request@rootsweb.com >Return-Path: CherokeeGene-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Mar 2006 00:04:18.0125 (UTC) >FILETIME=[A90D3FD0:01C64F9F] > > Could someone help me with a name? I need to know if the name Gamaliel is >Cherokee or NA? > >Terri > > >==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== >This list is for Genealogy related conversations >Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html >Please Good manners and do not be rude to others >For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit >CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives >or to get off this list via web site below >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html >Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com >

Have you checked out the 4 Hembree Data Projects? William Emory and his children are covered quite extensively in the Abraham project. www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 RECORDS scroll down to "H" Susannah Emory was never in a relationship with Joseph Martin. The only evidence we have found is that she was in a liason with Cpt. John Stuart of Fort Loudon fame, Richard Fields then Judge JOHN Martin...Joseph's brother. I'm interested in what you learn...keep me informed...OK? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaMyra Morton" <lamyra@fidmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > I'm very fuzzy on Victoria's line. I'm relying heavily on others research. > I > believe the Martin side runs back like this: Victoria Rogers Martin>Joseph > Lynch Martin>John Martin>Joseph Martin and Susannah Emory. Her Rogers > side > seems to go: Victoria>Lucy Brown Rogers>Thomas Lewis Rogers>John > Rogers>John > Rogers and Elizabeth Emory. > > I haven't ruled out the children of John Rogers and Jennie Due as offering > a > possibility for an unrecorded late marriage. They seem to fall in the > right > age bracket. I'm not sure where they were living by this point in time. > With > our Rogers that connect to the Corderys, we don't seem to have information > on anyone old enough to be a likely candidate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] > > What is the lineage of Victoria please... is she of Jos Martin and Betsy > Ward? > > Have you eliminated John Rogers, Jr and Jennie Due? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > >

To see what an actual Dawes application looks like go to: http://www.cherokeeresearch.com/ Scroll down to the bottom left and click on "Lewis A. Mulkey". This is my GG-Grandfather. Although these copies aren't the best, you an be sure that NARA will send you more easily readable ones. When you order your Dawes packet from NARA in Ft. Worth, it will contain copies of original docs like birth,death affadavits and marriage certificates. Also there may be copies of original letters in your ancestor's handwriting. It's worth every penny! I encourage everyone to order theirs! Jerri ~A Cherokee Mulkey Descendent --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Have you ever got one? Maybe you could transcribe one to show it ? Dan M www.wvi.com/~wb http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Genealogy_Chat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli" <iamcheroke@gmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Re: Genealogy > If you find a potential family member's app. get it > you'd be surprise at the info. you can find. > > Alli :) >

Glee, I was told that you are "well versed" on the Martin families of Tennessee. I am trying to track family of my Great Grandfather, Lewis/Louis Martin born 03 Sep 1877. Very little is known of my Martin family line. Louis/Lewis Martin, as it is told, fled Tennessee right around 1900 after a gun fight where it was thought that he killed his opponent. He and a friend, William Nathan Bailey, fled Tennessee together and landed in Oklahoma Indian Territory where he married Maudie R. Green in about 1905 and William Nathan Bailey married Maude's sister, Effie. Louis Martin died 19 Mar 1917 in Texanna Oklahoma but the death record indicates that his widow knew nothing of his parents. On the only enumeration that I find him on in Oklahoma he states a birthplace of Ohio but we have long suspected that was possibly to protect his "hiding" status. Upon his death, Maude reported that Louis/Lewis Martin was actually born in Tennessee. Family lore indicates that Louis/Lewis Martin was contacted by family in Tennessee prior to his death and told that he could come home as the man he shot didn't die. He supposedly declined as he had already married and begun a family in Oklahoma, IT. Are you aware of any Martin families with a similar story or Martin families with a Lewis/Louis Martin that has missing information. Any guidance or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Kevin in California

Susannah Emory and Joseph Martin never had any children together! Joseph's brother John and Susannah did. Emmet Starr sure has caused a bunch of trouble with his book. There is pleanty of proof that John fathered children that Joseph has been given credit for but you have to look for it. See a book called "Whites Among the Cherokees" It info is taken from the GA archives. Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaMyra Morton" <lamyra@fidmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn > I'm very fuzzy on Victoria's line. I'm relying heavily on others research. > I > believe the Martin side runs back like this: Victoria Rogers Martin>Joseph > Lynch Martin>John Martin>Joseph Martin and Susannah Emory. Her Rogers > side > seems to go: Victoria>Lucy Brown Rogers>Thomas Lewis Rogers>John > Rogers>John > Rogers and Elizabeth Emory. > > I haven't ruled out the children of John Rogers and Jennie Due as offering > a > possibility for an unrecorded late marriage. They seem to fall in the > right > age bracket. I'm not sure where they were living by this point in time. > With > our Rogers that connect to the Corderys, we don't seem to have information > on anyone old enough to be a likely candidate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] > > What is the lineage of Victoria please... is she of Jos Martin and Betsy > Ward? > > Have you eliminated John Rogers, Jr and Jennie Due? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > >

What is the lineage of Victoria please... is she of Jos Martin and Betsy Ward? Have you eliminated John Rogers, Jr and Jennie Due? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "LaMyra Morton" <lamyra@fidmail.com> To: <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:04 PM Subject: RE: [CherokeeGeneCommunity] Nancy Rogers b.1797 tn >I descend from the John Rogers and Sarah Cordery line. However, my > great-grandfather's half brother, Joseph Rogers, eventually married > Victoria > Rogers Martin who does appear to be a descendant of the John Rogers who > married Elizabeth Emory. This Joseph Rogers is living with his father > next > door to the Blythes in the 1860 McDonald Co., Missouri census, so I can't > altogether rule out the possibility that I'm looking for a Rogers from the > Emory line instead of the Cordery one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kathy Burns [mailto:kbswanie95@yahoo.com] > > LaMyra, > From what Rogers are you from. I am from the Charles Rogers line who > parents were John Rogers and Elizabeth Emory > Kathleen > > > > > ==== CherokeeGene Mailing List ==== > This list is for Genealogy related conversations > Your supporting website http://www.wvi.com/~wb/Cherokee1.html > Please Good manners and do not be rude to others > For Culture, ridges; bumps; skin tones; or Language lessons Please visit > CHEROKEE-L-request@rootsweb.com > You can also find what you need search the archives > or to get off this list via web site below > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/CherokeeGene.html > Listowner = CherokeeGene-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.1/292 - Release Date: 3/24/2006 > >

I'm very fuzzy on Victoria's line. I'm relying heavily on others research. I believe the Martin side runs back like this: Victoria Rogers Martin>Joseph Lynch Martin>John Martin>Joseph Martin and Susannah Emory. Her Rogers side seems to go: Victoria>Lucy Brown Rogers>Thomas Lewis Rogers>John Rogers>John Rogers and Elizabeth Emory. I haven't ruled out the children of John Rogers and Jennie Due as offering a possibility for an unrecorded late marriage. They seem to fall in the right age bracket. I'm not sure where they were living by this point in time. With our Rogers that connect to the Corderys, we don't seem to have information on anyone old enough to be a likely candidate. -----Original Message----- From: Joyce G. Reece [mailto:bjreece@bellsouth.net] What is the lineage of Victoria please... is she of Jos Martin and Betsy Ward? Have you eliminated John Rogers, Jr and Jennie Due? Joyce Gaston Reece

Brainerd Mission (near Chattanooga) Candy's Creek Mission (north of Cleveland Amohee Mission (north of Ducktown in Polk Co) Red Clay Mission Valley Town Mission (Murphy NC) Methodist Mission near Rossville Creek Path Mission near Gunters Town Haweis Mission Hightower (Etowah) Mission Oothcalo(?) Mission Methodist Mission near Dahlonega Spring Place Mission Nelly's Grove Mission Carmel Mission I have a map of these missions/ schools and the districts they were in. I will try to get it scanned and posted on a web site in the next day or two. I also have maps of the Ferries and Industries, the district boundaries and stores for the same time frame in the Cherokee Nation. Joyce Gaston Reece