thank you Joy for the information.... Kathleen On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 1:45 PM, Joy King via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: The Legal GenealogistIf you’re not subscribed to Judy Russell’s blog, you may want to at least read her most recent postings. http://www.legalgenealogist.com/blog/ Joy =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I came across some more names, or “a” surname, that I’m not sure where it belongs quite yet. The last name is Sorrell. I found it in my grandma’s Bible yesterday, so I’ve got to go back & figure out who they are & there’s another but I don’t remember it. I know that my Thompson’s are a giant pain in the tush. LOL I’m unsure of the dates, but the line is Thomas Thompson N.C. married Delphia unknown last name b. NC. She is suppose to be our Cherokee Children: Elizabeth Thompson N.C. married James Adams (Jr) E. Tn. David Thompson N.C. married unknown. He died around 1876 James (I think) And supposedly another girl. Thomas is a highly common name….drives me bonkers LOL From: Edith Humble [mailto:eadiene7374@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:25 AM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee ancestors Alli, I am reorganizing my research and I have a lot of West information. I am sorting them by names and these goes back to my 1970 research. My family of Thompson was connected to West. They lived in lower LA and then Newton. I found the name on a site given to me of the 5 tribes of Cherokee as well. I think I remember a Thomas however these West went back to the East like GA etc. Adiene

Your right Asiene, NA’s are proud people. Its more than just reading books to help them research that people need. They need those who may have the information to share it. Many NA languages, heritages, etc have been lost & are being lost because Pride interfers with sharing. Its hard for those who truly want to learn because those who can teach/share won’t. Alli ;0) From: Edith Humble [mailto:eadiene7374@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 11:36 AM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr The NA were a proud people and the Cherokee in particular took on ways of the "white men" who actually were of many races who settled her. As for lores, we were told stories that we were told to pass down to our families as there was few that knew how to write if they had paper. In fact, it was only much later a NA developed the NA letters. There is always a few who think they are better than others. People need to read books on how to research, especially on Native Americans. Asiene

It would be great to compare notes on our Prather lines! As of now, I don't think that any of my direct line Prathers were NA, but I'm guessing it's likely that some of their siblings were. Here's my line: 1-Anthony Prater (-) 2-Thomas Prater (abt 1577-abt 1628) +Margaret Quintyne (-) 3-Thomas Prather (abt 1604-abt 1680) 4-Jonathon Prather (1630-21 Aug 1680) +Lyle Jane McKay (1635-7 Dec 1713) 5-Thomas M. Prather (1673-Mar 1712) +Martha Sprigg (1677-13 Nov 1742) 6-John Smith Prather (1705-1763) +Elizabeth Nuthall (1710-1776) 7-Martha Prather (20 Apr 1730-1790) +James Odell (12 Jul 1731-) 8-John Prather Odell (1755-1 Oct 1836) +Mary Bourland (1755-) 9-Elizabeth Odell (Mar 1790-25 May 1867) +John N Bell (17 Feb 1789-24 Mar 1862) 10-Mary Ann Bell (9 Apr 1836-2 Aug 1922) My 2nd great grandmother

Beth, email me at kbswanie95@yahoo.com Since the Prather line isn't Cherokee related let's discuss the Prather line in private. Kathleen On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 4:36 AM, Beth Golden via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: It would be great to compare notes on our Prather lines! As of now, I don't think that any of my direct line Prathers were NA, but I'm guessing it's likely that some of their siblings were. Here's my line: 1-Anthony Prater (-) 2-Thomas Prater (abt 1577-abt 1628) +Margaret Quintyne (-) 3-Thomas Prather (abt 1604-abt 1680) 4-Jonathon Prather (1630-21 Aug 1680) +Lyle Jane McKay (1635-7 Dec 1713) 5-Thomas M. Prather (1673-Mar 1712) +Martha Sprigg (1677-13 Nov 1742) 6-John Smith Prather (1705-1763) +Elizabeth Nuthall (1710-1776) 7-Martha Prather (20 Apr 1730-1790) +James Odell (12 Jul 1731-) 8-John Prather Odell (1755-1 Oct 1836) +Mary Bourland (1755-) 9-Elizabeth Odell (Mar 1790-25 May 1867) +John N Bell (17 Feb 1789-24 Mar 1862) 10-Mary Ann Bell (9 Apr 1836-2 Aug 1922) My 2nd great grandmother =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have 1 Rogers name & just came across some others that I don't ever recall hearing or seeing before to figure out who they are & how they are connected.......more brick walls lol -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene- I am related to the Ward and Prather line. Also back to Queen of Holland was a lead Doc Ward was a cousin to Wilhelmina. Also to the England people. I am also a Rogers. Might be some interesting research. Dan

It would definitely help greatly if those with a "higher degree of blood" members or those closer to being full, would add their markers to the rest to be able to start pinpointing what markers are Cherokee or Comanche or Navajo or........etc. This is more about a scientific benefit or scientific help rather than what the "white man" might get. It'd just be nice to be able to take a DNA test & have them say that you have this % for this tribe & this % for this nationality/race, instead of .........you have this that the other, but nothing definite about "which" tribe....if one at all -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:37 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr If - the ( proven ) Cherokee people, would take the DNA tests, it would give a better data bank to help those looking. I would be a time people helping people. Dan

If - the ( proven ) Cherokee people, would take the DNA tests, it would give a better data bank to help those looking. I would be a time people helping people. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli : ) via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr > Beth, > > The best way to find out who might be right is look for that particular > reference, even on the CNO's page directly. > > They may not "specifically" be on a chunk of land labeled or designated as > a > "rez" like many others......when their land is limited to a certain amount > & > in order to get benefits, land, etc & they have to live in a designated > area.......guess what......that's a reservation. They may not like that > "title" but it doesn't make it less true. > > Its just something that you'll have to look into to make sure your using > the > right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it much :0) > > Do not ignore your family lore, not everyone's family was "documented" but > it doesn't make them any less Indian or the lore to be false. There's a > lot > of truth's in "stories" just gotta pick out the facts from fiction to find > the answer's. :0) > > Look at the names, the locations, the physical characteristic's (if you > have > pictures)...that stuff doesn't lie. Take a DNA test to test for the Indian > Markers (I forget the right terminology for that) don't give up until > you've > exhausted all avenues & turned over every rock possible. The worse thing > that can happen is that your ancestor's weren't Cherokee, but are of a > neighboring tribe. > > Good luck :0) > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene- > Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some > in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! > > Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of > the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family > members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. > > How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm > curious > about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation on them > and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is the > ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha Prather > > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > Jonathon > Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research has been > on > my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to your line! > > sgi, > Beth > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Also, my past elders and Prather's worked in the woods together, there is a Prather cemetery in Buena Vista Oregon. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Golden via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Kathy Burns" <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> Cc: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr > Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some > in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! > > Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of > the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family > members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. > > How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm > curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation > on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is > the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha > Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > > Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research > has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to > your line! > > sgi, > Beth > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Kathy Burns <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The >> Cherokee >> people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer >> to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have >> their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation >> all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please >> refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the >> people who help you find your roots. >> >> Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes >> what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be >> what >> you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee >> roots. >> Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will >> come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. Her >> parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation East >> shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. >> James >> and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle >> is >> buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old >> Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. >> Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other >> third >> Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. >> She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was >> white >> and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention this >> as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The >> Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can >> give you a website on the Prather line. >> >> James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also >> Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in >> 1893 >> so she was not on the Dawes Roll. >> >> I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I have >> been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to >> documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the >> Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - >> Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the >> Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. >> >> I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday >> you will find the truth. >> >> donadagohvi, >> Kathleen Forshey-Burns >> >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am related to the Ward and Prather line. Also back to Queen of Holland was a lead Doc Ward was a cousin to Wilhelmina. Also to the England people. I am also a Rogers. Might be some interesting research. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Burns via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Beth Golden" <gramssearch4family@gmail.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 4:26 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr >I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The Cherokee >people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer >to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have >their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation >all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please >refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the >people who help you find your roots. > > Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes > what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be what > you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee > roots. Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for > will come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. > Her parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation > East shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. > James and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward > Tittle is buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the > Old Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. > Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other > third Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers > Prather. She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband > was white and his line > goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention this as I see you > have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The Prather line has > tons of history in England. If you are interested I can give you a website > on the Prather line. > > James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also > Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in 1893 > so she was not on the Dawes Roll. > > I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I have > been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to > documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the > Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - > Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the > Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. > > I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday > you will find the truth. > > donadagohvi, > Kathleen Forshey-Burns > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:08 AM, Beth Golden via > <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > Great idea, Dan! thanks! I'm Beth Golden, living in GA. My 2nd great > grandmother, Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr wrote to my grandmother that she was > 1/4 Cherokee and according to my aunt, the family was quite proud of this > heritage, and visited their family on the Rez in OK. I've yet to find the > documentation. Mary Ann's ancestry (partial) is below. > > I too welcome the discussion and hope to meet long lost cousins! > > Also, if you don't know, NARA website has been completely revamped for > researching NA roots. I've not started exploring, but looking forward to > it. > http://www.archives.gov/research/native-americans/ > > all the best, > Beth > > Here's Mary Ann's info: > > 1. Mary Ann BELL: born 9 Apr 1836 in Cherokee County, AL; died 2 Aug 1922 > in McLennan County, TX. She married Alexander Franklin MOBLEY about 1857 > probably in Cedartown, Polk, GA. AF died during the Civil War and Mary > Ann > remarried John ORR, a widower, in Cherokee County, GA. After one of her > sons got in trouble with the law, they went to TX to escape prosecution. > > Her parents were: > > 2. John N BELL: born 17 Feb 1789 in Old Pendleton, Pickens, South > Carolina, > United States; died 24 Mar 1862 in Cedartown, Polk Co., GA. > > 3. Elizabeth ODELL: born Mar 1790 in Old Pendleton, Pickens, South > Carolina, United States; died 25 May 1867 in Forney, Cherokee, AL. > > Her grandparents were: > > 4. John BEALL: born 23 Nov 1760 in Prince Georges, Maryland, USA; died > 1804 > in Wilkes County, Georgia, USA. > > 5. Mary: born abt 1710; died abt 1810. I believe that Mary will be the > Cherokee connection, as from what I can gather so far, the others were not > Native American. > > 6. John Prather ODELL: born 1755 in Frederick, Frederick, Maryland, USA; > married 1782 in South Carolina, USA; died 1 Oct 1836 in Pickens, South > Carolina, > USA. > > 7. Mary BOURLAND: born 1755 in Pendleton, Anderson, South Carolina, USA. > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edith, thank you for your observations on the importance of historical context. I wholeheartedly agree! In fact, learning the historical aspects is one of my most favorite parts of doing genealogy. These are interesting articles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_Nation_(19th_century) and this one is awesome http://wsharing.com/WScherokeeTimeline.htm all the best, Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Edith Humble <eadiene7374@gmail.com> wrote: > Kathleen, why do you think some of those NA came West so early? They > didn't care to be recognixed Federally. In fact, they left because they > had been butally treated and cheated of their land and looked down on. No > one in those days would admit to their NA bloodlines usually because of > this attitude. Especially "half breeds". > > My family on both my father and mother's side were of of NA bloodlines, in > fact, I've seen the names of the people listed in some of these Federally > lists and my family names are there. My grandfather's mother was full > blooded but my grandfather would not tell me what nation. My mom's side > came from the Chitty, Chisum, Cook, Roberts, Thomas and yes there was a > Lightfoot Thomas but grandma would not talk of her line of Weeks and Harris > and Thompson nor my grandps talk of his. > > It has only been in recent times that it's 'fashionable" to be of NA > bloodlines. > > My dad's great grandma went to OK after her husband died "to be with her > people" was all my grandpa said, leaving two married daughter's behind > However, mom said she saw my great grandfather's photo in full native > dress, head gear and all. He died during the Civil War. > > My father's great grandparents came from TN just before the Trail of > Tears. Where he settle was granted to the Cherokee Chief by Houston when we > won the war and became the Republic of Mexico. > > OK was just one state of the three or four that we sold to the US so that > the Republic of Texas could have money to run our state. Later there was > more. At one time the Republic of Texas went almost all the way to > Canada. Don't believe me, look up the Republic of Texas and Mexico and see > the map of the territory our people fought and won, with the help of our > Cherokee brothers, the reason Sam Houston granted East Texas to that nation. > > You see, in Texas when I went to school it was required that students take > the History of Texas as well as the American History so we knew our > history. Some idiot has changed that but the men who died at the Alamo was > the strongest and bravest of men from not only TX but of TN, GA, MS, even > England. > > From corresponding with some of the Federally listed tribes, perhaps it > would be a good idea if you'll studied the history of your state and those > around you. I don't know why people feel so good about putting down people > and here I am doing the same. I am trully sorry about that but I still > think it something that you early researchers should think about. > > I wonder how many of our ancestors have been claimed by others who aren't > good researchers or would admit that they had no documentation to back up > their claim. I would bet you, it numbers in thousands. > Adiene > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Beth Golden via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > > wrote: > >> Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some >> in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! >> >> Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of >> the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family >> members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. >> >> How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm >> curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation >> on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is >> the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha >> Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > >> Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research >> has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to >> your line! >> >> sgi, >> Beth >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Kathy Burns <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The >> Cherokee >> > people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not >> refer >> > to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have >> > their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee >> Nation >> > all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please >> > refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the >> > people who help you find your roots. >> > >> > Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes >> > what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be >> what >> > you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee >> roots. >> > Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will >> > come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. >> Her >> > parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation >> East >> > shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. >> James >> > and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle >> is >> > buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old >> > Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. >> > Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other >> third >> > Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. >> > She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was >> white >> > and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention >> this >> > as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The >> > Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can >> > give you a website on the Prather line. >> > >> > James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also >> > Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in >> 1893 >> > so she was not on the Dawes Roll. >> > >> > I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I >> have >> > been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to >> > documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the >> > Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - >> > Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the >> > Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. >> > >> > I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday >> > you will find the truth. >> > >> > donadagohvi, >> > Kathleen Forshey-Burns >> > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and >> sort fact from (fiction). >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Curious about your West family. I have a Hannah West (b. ca. 1775 NC; m. Jacob Meador/Meadows; d. ca. 1830 GA) Their daughter Sarah Eleander is my 3rd great grandmother, being the mother of Alexander Franklin Mobley who married Mary Ann Bell (the woman I'm searching Cherokee records for). It would be great if we connect! Also I now recall from research years ago, that there was a Cherokee connection to the Meador/Meadows line. all the best, Beth *** Does your Thompson have West connections? Adiene

Thanks Alli. I appreciate your advice and suggestions. I didn't realize that I could search at CNO directly. I get their emails, even took language lessons, but haven't checked their main website in a long time. Could you point me to the right part of the website to look for my names? all the best, Beth *** Beth, The best way to find out who might be right is look for that particular reference, even on the CNO's page directly. They may not "specifically" be on a chunk of land labeled or designated as a "rez" like many others......when their land is limited to a certain amount & in order to get benefits, land, etc & they have to live in a designated area.......guess what......that's a reservation. They may not like that "title" but it doesn't make it less true. Its just something that you'll have to look into to make sure your using the right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it much :0) Do not ignore your family lore, not everyone's family was "documented" but it doesn't make them any less Indian or the lore to be false. There's a lot of truth's in "stories" just gotta pick out the facts from fiction to find the answer's. :0) Look at the names, the locations, the physical characteristic's (if you have pictures)...that stuff doesn't lie. Take a DNA test to test for the Indian Markers (I forget the right terminology for that) don't give up until you've exhausted all avenues & turned over every rock possible. The worse thing that can happen is that your ancestor's weren't Cherokee, but are of a neighboring tribe. Good luck :0)

I don’t have her dates, but I suspect in the mid-late 1700’s. She was married to a Thomas Thompson, as far as I know they were both from NC. I haven’t gotten far into the Thompson’s yet, so I don’t know if there’s any West’s in the tree. Alli :o) From: Edith Humble [mailto:eadiene7374@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:39 PM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee ancestors Do you have her birthdate and who she married? My Nancy Ellen was a mystery too in a way. When I was really young mom mentioned she and her sister lived with Indians. She was was younger and I wasn't interested in genealogy. I have forgotten so much over the years and I'm sorting my papers and finding info that you can not find on the internet now. Does your Thompson have West connections? Adiene

I'd love to solve the mystery with my Thompson's LOL especially with Delphia.......she's the key & the mystery :0) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forbes@lists9.rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 6:36 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee ancestors My great-grandfather was James Allen Thompson Parks, Dawes # 29529. I think the blood degree is wrong on many of these forms; I know his was. He was a Nancy Ward descendant through his father Thomas Jefferson Parks, and descended from Susannah Emory (Martin) through his mother, Mariah Ann Thompson I would love to find the story behind the Thompson family. Although they were white, at least four siblings married Cherokee and went to Indian Territory. They may also be related to the Thompsons who intermarried with the Choctaw/Chickasaw and went to Texas. I have my family pretty well documented and am happy to share. Kathie Parks Forbes

Beth, The best way to find out who might be right is look for that particular reference, even on the CNO's page directly. They may not "specifically" be on a chunk of land labeled or designated as a "rez" like many others......when their land is limited to a certain amount & in order to get benefits, land, etc & they have to live in a designated area.......guess what......that's a reservation. They may not like that "title" but it doesn't make it less true. Its just something that you'll have to look into to make sure your using the right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't worry about it much :0) Do not ignore your family lore, not everyone's family was "documented" but it doesn't make them any less Indian or the lore to be false. There's a lot of truth's in "stories" just gotta pick out the facts from fiction to find the answer's. :0) Look at the names, the locations, the physical characteristic's (if you have pictures)...that stuff doesn't lie. Take a DNA test to test for the Indian Markers (I forget the right terminology for that) don't give up until you've exhausted all avenues & turned over every rock possible. The worse thing that can happen is that your ancestor's weren't Cherokee, but are of a neighboring tribe. Good luck :0) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene- Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to your line! sgi, Beth

The CNO land has always been considered to be a reservation, even to this day. I've had many people refer to their family being on a reservation in Okla. So if this is not true.......then why do those of Cherokee blood claim to be living in/on a reservation in Okla? And if there is no reservation in Okla as there is in NC (& other tribal reservations in other parts of the country) then why was many Cherokee's rejected from the Rolls because they were not on the reservation or Cherokee Nation land at the time of the Rolls? I have come across MANY people who were rejected because they were living in Texas or somewhere else & simply because of that were not considered to be Cherokee. So I don't think the "no reservation" is quite accurate (but I have been known to be wrong (& to label it as just Cherokee land, then we'd have to include NC, Tn., Ga, Ala, etc of the other states that were once Cherokee land.) As for family lore........its not necessarily wrong either. That's all I have to go by technically even though I have found just as much info proving that my ancestor's were of Cherokee blood as I have found that some were not. We have spent MANY years stating that not all family lore is wrong, just because it wasn't documented as well as some others were. Its fortunate for those whose family documented or kept their documentation & unfortunate for others whose family didn't. You may find what you've been searching for.....it just may not be exactly what you were expecting. Its always better to help someone find their answer's than to dash their hopes with speculation or negativity to where they give up searching because they think someone might be right.....when instead they could be very wrong. :0) Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathy Burns via Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 5:27 AM To: Beth Golden; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] My Cherokee Connection: Mary Ann Bell Mobley Orr I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The Cherokee people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the people who help you find your roots. Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be what you have been told.

I have the same issue. I have a direct great uncle (1-2 back) that has a different degree of his brother & haven’t found any real stories. :0) Even the cousins I’ve found don’t have anything LOL I’ll keep my eyes open for ya…. Alli :) From: David STEVENS [mailto:david.stevensturner@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:05 AM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Nov I have his card #22248 and having trouble finding his life story. His brothers are listed with a different degree of "blood". I was hoping, as always, someone might say "he's my ancestor, also". (I like finding new cousins)

My great-grandfather was James Allen Thompson Parks, Dawes # 29529. I think the blood degree is wrong on many of these forms; I know his was. He was a Nancy Ward descendant through his father Thomas Jefferson Parks, and descended from Susannah Emory (Martin) through his mother, Mariah Ann Thompson I would love to find the story behind the Thompson family. Although they were white, at least four siblings married Cherokee and went to Indian Territory. They may also be related to the Thompsons who intermarried with the Choctaw/Chickasaw and went to Texas. I have my family pretty well documented and am happy to share. Kathie Parks Forbes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 10:28:58 -0700 From: "Dan M" <mygen2@d-matney.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Nov To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <6C48FDD5921E48EAA5DB83F77AD71AC1@jennic9e33da9d> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would like to get some conversations going here. Any one doing their NA genealogy, is welcome to chat about that and what locations your working on. Maybe some would like to Introduce them selves and who they are related to in the Cherokee. Or those still trying to land a real solid clue how they fit into the Cherokee are all welcome to join in. Since folks are all so quiet, maybe some chats will lead into some more solid exchanges. Dan M - ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 9, Issue 127 ********************************************

Wado Kathy for correcting me on the use of Rez - I have heard others (some in OK) call it that, so was just following suit. No insult intended! Yes, I know all about family lore ... if you could see pix of this side of the family, you'd agree there is NA blood. Also, many other allied family members have been told of our Cherokee ancestry. How wonderful that you've documented your Tsalagi roots so well! I'm curious about your Cherokee PRATHERs. I have quite a bit of documentation on them and as of yet haven't come across the Tsalagi connection. What is the ancestry of yours? Mine: John Prather Odell > James Odell/Martha Prather > John Prather/Elizabeth Nuthall > Thomas Prather/Martha Sprigg > Jonathon Prather/Jane McKay > then back into England 1550's. My research has been on my direct line, but it would be great if siblings connect to your line! sgi, Beth On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Kathy Burns <kbswanie95@yahoo.com> wrote: > I have to say something that so many people don't understand. The Cherokee > people in Oklahoma have never lived on a reservation. Please do not refer > to their land as this. It can be very insulting to a Cherokee who have > their proof of their Cherokee blood and have lived in the Cherokee Nation > all their lives. I am not being ugly just suggesting that you please > refrain from this term. It will save you at lot of heartache from the > people who help you find your roots. > > Also when researching your Cherokee roots keep an open mind. Sometimes > what you have been told is family lore and what you find might not be what > you have been told. I wish you all the best in finding your Cherokee roots. > Since you live in Georgia I am sure the answers you are looking for will > come to you. My third grandmother was born in Habersham Co., Georgia. Her > parents James Ward Sr. and Lucy Haynie Ward left the Cherokee Nation East > shortly after she was born and came to Arkansas in the early 1820's. James > and Lucy are buried at Siloam Springs, Arkansas and Rosanna Ward Tittle is > buried in Vinita, Craig Co., Oklahoma. She is registered on the Old > Settlers Roll. Her son James Marion Tittle and his daughter Jessie A. > Tittle Anderson is registered on the Dawes Roll. I also have my other third > Grandmother registered on the Dawes Roll, Edith Caroline Rogers Prather. > She is registered under the name of Caroline Prather. Her husband was white > and his line goes back to Maryland and then on to England. I mention this > as I see you have someone in your line with a middle name Prather. The > Prather line has tons of history in England. If you are interested I can > give you a website on the Prather line. > > James Marion Tittle married Annie Henrietta Prather and she was also > Cherokee through her mother E. Caroline Rogers Prather. Annie died in 1893 > so she was not on the Dawes Roll. > > I am very fortunate that my Cherokee lines are well documented and I have > been able to find them. I know their were families that did not have to > documentation. In order to be on the Dawes Roll you had to lived in the > Cherokee Nation. There are three Federally recognized Cherokee tribes - > Cherokee Nation , United Keetoowah Band of the Cherokee Indians, and the > Eastern Cherokees. All others are not Federally recognized. > > I wish you all the luck in finding your roots. Keep looking and someday > you will find the truth. > > donadagohvi, > Kathleen Forshey-Burns > >