Interesting, I have some Odell and Prather. Wonder how those 2 names got together. Prather in Oregon were in the logging after the great migration. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Golden via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 22 > Thanks so much, Kathie!! > It's unlikely, but hoping you can find some information on Mary, who I > believe to be my 4th great grandmother, a Cherokee woman from the Indian > Territory in upstate SC. From what I've been able to piece together: > born about 1760, Indian Territory now Pickens, Oconee or Pendleton > Counties, SC > married John BEALL or BELL (also listed as Jeane) > son: John BELL b. 1789 Old Pendleton District, Pickens Co., SC > > John BEALL died in Wilkes County, GA ca. 1804 (will probated 5 Mar 1804) > > John BELL married Elizabeth ODELL and died in 24 March 1862 Cedartown, > Polk > County, GA > > Elizabeth born 1790 Old Pendleton to John Prather ODELL and Mary BOURLAND > ODELL; died 1867 Forney, Cherokee County, AL. Her grandmother was Mary > ADAIR of SC, and I've often wondered whether this Adair line fits into the > others with Cherokee culture. > > all the best, > Beth > > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 3:00 AM, <cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> >> >> I just got a copy of this book which is a transcription of the Cherokee >> Census of 1835. It has the detail, not just the names, e.g. >> ... >> I'm happy to do lookups and email or post. Kathie >> >> >> ******************************************** >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Alli - (In 1840 the courts in McMinn County TN awarded custody of Walter and James to a William Lea, stating that James Anderson Lea was deceased. ) Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli : ) via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "'Doris Parks'" <dmparks@charter.net>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/CherokeeCensus of 1835 > Doris, I know your asking Kathie to do a look up, but do you have any > other > dates or location for James? > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doris Parks via > Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:56 PM > To: 'Forbes, Kathie'; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/Cherokee > Census > of 1835 > > Do you show anything on James Anderson Lea? He married around 1829, we > think to an Indian (no known name) and by 1835 had 3 children - Walter > 1830; > Catherine 1831; James 1832/3 - In 1840 the courts in McMinn County TN > awarded custody of Walter and James to a William Lea, stating that James > Anderson Lea was deceased. Don't know what happened to Catherine. The > picture we have of Walter Lea shows that he is definitely part Indian. No > known picture of James or James Anderson Lea. Any help would be > appreciated. > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some times elders can ( look ) part Indian and be full English, German, etc: Looks, is not a positive. Tracing where they came from and what time line is. Photography was not well known until the 1800. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photography After the introduction, it was not used widely or in the wild as much as in studios. Some paintings are older than that. Have you other data to show Indian with the previous people in your line that might help show a time line and area where they lived around Indian Territory ( IT ) is the abbreviation for that. You know by the 1820's most of the area was cleansed of Indians. I have the rolls here, so does Judy at access genealogy. I also think you might use the link Alli sent. Here is a idea, get a large butcher paper, put your people up on the wall in time lines and locations, make a hand map or use a wall map, like me, I got a really nice wall map and I dont have any walls open lol;) So instead of pins, I use colored perm markers and make dots, each line its on color and Indian is red next to a dot.... So far the Indian ( we know * or thought we know*) has no proof. Some times Indians had no proof back then - and we go by looks - just be it known, looks can be deceiving. Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris Parks via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "'Forbes, Kathie'" <Kathie.Forbes@unh.edu>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/Cherokee Censusof 1835 > Do you show anything on James Anderson Lea? He married around 1829, we > think to an Indian (no known name) and by 1835 had 3 children - Walter > 1830; > Catherine 1831; James 1832/3 - In 1840 the courts in McMinn County TN > awarded custody of Walter and James to a William Lea, stating that James > Anderson Lea was deceased. Don't know what happened to Catherine. The > picture we have of Walter Lea shows that he is definitely part Indian. No > known picture of James or James Anderson Lea. Any help would be > appreciated. > > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Forbes@lists9.rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:23 PM > To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/Cherokee Census > of > 1835 > > I just got a copy of this book which is a transcription of the Cherokee > Census of 1835. It has the detail, not just the names, e.g. > > Candy's Creek McMinn County > > Samuel Parks > > eleven quarterbloods, owning twelve slaves. One white intermarriage. A > farm and one farmer. One mechanic. Eight read English. Three weavers > and > three spinners. One reservee and eleven descendants of reservee. > > I'm happy to do lookups and email or post. Kathie > > > ******************************************** > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much, Kathie!! It's unlikely, but hoping you can find some information on Mary, who I believe to be my 4th great grandmother, a Cherokee woman from the Indian Territory in upstate SC. From what I've been able to piece together: born about 1760, Indian Territory now Pickens, Oconee or Pendleton Counties, SC married John BEALL or BELL (also listed as Jeane) son: John BELL b. 1789 Old Pendleton District, Pickens Co., SC John BEALL died in Wilkes County, GA ca. 1804 (will probated 5 Mar 1804) John BELL married Elizabeth ODELL and died in 24 March 1862 Cedartown, Polk County, GA Elizabeth born 1790 Old Pendleton to John Prather ODELL and Mary BOURLAND ODELL; died 1867 Forney, Cherokee County, AL. Her grandmother was Mary ADAIR of SC, and I've often wondered whether this Adair line fits into the others with Cherokee culture. all the best, Beth On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 3:00 AM, <cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > > > I just got a copy of this book which is a transcription of the Cherokee > Census of 1835. It has the detail, not just the names, e.g. > ... > I'm happy to do lookups and email or post. Kathie > > > ******************************************** >

I just got a copy of this book which is a transcription of the Cherokee Census of 1835. It has the detail, not just the names, e.g. Candy's Creek McMinn County Samuel Parks eleven quarterbloods, owning twelve slaves. One white intermarriage. A farm and one farmer. One mechanic. Eight read English. Three weavers and three spinners. One reservee and eleven descendants of reservee. I'm happy to do lookups and email or post. Kathie ********************************************

Do you show anything on James Anderson Lea? He married around 1829, we think to an Indian (no known name) and by 1835 had 3 children - Walter 1830; Catherine 1831; James 1832/3 - In 1840 the courts in McMinn County TN awarded custody of Walter and James to a William Lea, stating that James Anderson Lea was deceased. Don't know what happened to Catherine. The picture we have of Walter Lea shows that he is definitely part Indian. No known picture of James or James Anderson Lea. Any help would be appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forbes@lists9.rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 1:23 PM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/Cherokee Census of 1835 I just got a copy of this book which is a transcription of the Cherokee Census of 1835. It has the detail, not just the names, e.g. Candy's Creek McMinn County Samuel Parks eleven quarterbloods, owning twelve slaves. One white intermarriage. A farm and one farmer. One mechanic. Eight read English. Three weavers and three spinners. One reservee and eleven descendants of reservee. I'm happy to do lookups and email or post. Kathie ******************************************** =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Doris, I know your asking Kathie to do a look up, but do you have any other dates or location for James? -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Doris Parks via Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2015 12:56 PM To: 'Forbes, Kathie'; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Those Who Cried - Henderson Roll/Cherokee Census of 1835 Do you show anything on James Anderson Lea? He married around 1829, we think to an Indian (no known name) and by 1835 had 3 children - Walter 1830; Catherine 1831; James 1832/3 - In 1840 the courts in McMinn County TN awarded custody of Walter and James to a William Lea, stating that James Anderson Lea was deceased. Don't know what happened to Catherine. The picture we have of Walter Lea shows that he is definitely part Indian. No known picture of James or James Anderson Lea. Any help would be appreciated.

http://www.ancestrypaths.com/native-american/eastern-cherokee-applications-u s-court-of-claims-1906-1909/ I just saw this posted somewhere else, so I thought I'd share it here.

Thanks Dan, I will check this out…….all the help I can get to understand what the Notables of/for the Government are the better :o) From: Dj M [mailto:wb2008dj@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2015 11:08 PM To: DanM. Cc: iamcheroke; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Government of the notables. Answer; guess she missed mine lol. On Apr 11, 2015 7:36 AM, "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > wrote: The following or additional resolutions and further association were also entered into at Nashborough this thirteenth Day of May 1780 to wit "That all young men over the age of sixteen years and able to perform military duty shall be considered as having a full right to enter for and obtain Lands in their own Names as if they were of full age, and in that case not be reckoned in the Family of his Father Mother or Master so as to avail them of any Land on their account http://www.tn.gov/tsla/founding_docs/33634_Transcript.pdf Nashborough is one word. Dan M

guess she missed mine lol. On Apr 11, 2015 7:36 AM, "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > The following or additional resolutions and further association > were also entered into at Nashborough this thirteenth Day of May 1780 to > wit > > "That all young men over the age of sixteen years and able to > perform military duty shall be considered as having a full right > to enter for and obtain Lands in their own Names as if they were of full > age, and in that case not be reckoned in the Family of his Father Mother or > Master so as to > avail them of any Land on their account > http://www.tn.gov/tsla/founding_docs/33634_Transcript.pdf > > Nashborough is one word. > Dan M > -----Original Message----- > From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alli via > Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:17 PM > To: Gene > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Government of the notables. > > Has anyone ever heard of that? > I was given a copy of a page & the "title" showing on the page is > "Government of the notables". It has to do w/land given to those who served > in the Militia. Based on "Additional Articles". It has something to do > w/Nash borough on 13th, May, 1780. > If has a list of names, nothing about what its for (completely) or where. > Just who was in the militia. > Can anyone help me find out more? > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Alli, you're most welcome! Happy Hunting :) Beth

Thanks again Beth, this is exactly what I was looking for. I only had 1 page but the person who sent it to me didn't state where it was copied from. So this is fantastic. Now.....I just have to find out where the land records are for the ones listed that I'm looking for. You made my weekend. Thank you again :o) Alli :o) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beth Golden via Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 5:12 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 17 I googled "Government of the notables" militia 1780 and found the ebook,* History of Davidson County, TN <https://books.google.com/books?id=8ipEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22Gover nment+of+the+notables%22+militia+1780&source=bl&ots=WB-mGgox3r&sig=upwlAvhBv kM6x7YFw1JOxLW9Xb0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fAApVer2KoiMNriLgIAC&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onep age&q=%22Government%20of%20the%20notables%22%20militia%201780&f=false>* which looks like it will give you the info you seek. (just click on the title and it will take you to it) all the best, Beth

How often did the Cherokee refer to themselves as being Mulatto to hide from being Indian?

_________Has to do with the original government and formation of Tennessee. You can Google it. Kathie _______________________________ From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] on behalf of cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com [cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 3:00 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 17 Today's Topics: 1. Government of the notables. (Alli) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 22:16:57 -0600 From: Alli <iamcheroke@gmail.com> Subject: [CherokeeGene] Government of the notables. To: Gene <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CANyv+_YhJm45MXCKeOWTHwB6t2HEmAgJJr1BygP1=8Uqg+ZOyQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Has anyone ever heard of that? I was given a copy of a page & the "title" showing on the page is "Government of the notables". It has to do w/land given to those who served in the Militia. Based on "Additional Articles". It has something to do w/Nash borough on 13th, May, 1780. If has a list of names, nothing about what its for (completely) or where. Just who was in the militia. Can anyone help me find out more? ------------------------------ To contact the CHEROKEEGENE list administrator, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CHEROKEEGENE mailing list, send an email to CHEROKEEGENE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 17 ********************************************

AWESOME ....... Thank you Beth..... You made my day, can't wait to check it out :o) -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beth Golden via Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 5:12 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 10, Issue 17 I googled "Government of the notables" militia 1780 and found the ebook,* History of Davidson County, TN <https://books.google.com/books?id=8ipEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22Gover nment+of+the+notables%22+militia+1780&source=bl&ots=WB-mGgox3r&sig=upwlAvhBv kM6x7YFw1JOxLW9Xb0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fAApVer2KoiMNriLgIAC&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onep age&q=%22Government%20of%20the%20notables%22%20militia%201780&f=false>* which looks like it will give you the info you seek. (just click on the title and it will take you to it) all the best, Beth

Cool Thanks Kathie I'll give that a try........it looks like 2 of my ancestors are listed on it. So this will be cool to find more info. on it :o) Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Forbes@lists9.rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 6:06 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: [CherokeeGene] Government of the Notables _________Has to do with the original government and formation of Tennessee. You can Google it. Kathie

The following or additional resolutions and further association were also entered into at Nashborough this thirteenth Day of May 1780 to wit "That all young men over the age of sixteen years and able to perform military duty shall be considered as having a full right to enter for and obtain Lands in their own Names as if they were of full age, and in that case not be reckoned in the Family of his Father Mother or Master so as to avail them of any Land on their account http://www.tn.gov/tsla/founding_docs/33634_Transcript.pdf Nashborough is one word. Dan M -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alli via Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 9:17 PM To: Gene Subject: [CherokeeGene] Government of the notables. Has anyone ever heard of that? I was given a copy of a page & the "title" showing on the page is "Government of the notables". It has to do w/land given to those who served in the Militia. Based on "Additional Articles". It has something to do w/Nash borough on 13th, May, 1780. If has a list of names, nothing about what its for (completely) or where. Just who was in the militia. Can anyone help me find out more? =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I googled "Government of the notables" militia 1780 and found the ebook,* History of Davidson County, TN <https://books.google.com/books?id=8ipEAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=%22Government+of+the+notables%22+militia+1780&source=bl&ots=WB-mGgox3r&sig=upwlAvhBvkM6x7YFw1JOxLW9Xb0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fAApVer2KoiMNriLgIAC&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Government%20of%20the%20notables%22%20militia%201780&f=false>* which looks like it will give you the info you seek. (just click on the title and it will take you to it) all the best, Beth On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 3:00 AM, <cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Government of the notables. (Alli) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 22:16:57 -0600 > From: Alli <iamcheroke@gmail.com> > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Government of the notables. > To: Gene <CherokeeGene-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CANyv+_YhJm45MXCKeOWTHwB6t2HEmAgJJr1BygP1= > 8Uqg+ZOyQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Has anyone ever heard of that? > I was given a copy of a page & the "title" showing on the page is > "Government of the notables". It has to do w/land given to those who served > in the Militia. Based on "Additional Articles". It has something to do > w/Nash borough on 13th, May, 1780. > If has a list of names, nothing about what its for (completely) or where. > Just who was in the militia. > Can anyone help me find out more? > > ******************************************** >

Has anyone ever heard of that? I was given a copy of a page & the "title" showing on the page is "Government of the notables". It has to do w/land given to those who served in the Militia. Based on "Additional Articles". It has something to do w/Nash borough on 13th, May, 1780. If has a list of names, nothing about what its for (completely) or where. Just who was in the militia. Can anyone help me find out more?

Yeah that's where I'll have to get it from. I can't find the original location online right now & the CD's are not available to be purchased anymore. So that's the only way I'll be able to get it (through the LDS FHC) if I can't find the submitter anywhere -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of T Presley via All Its a familysearch.org file. Do you have a LDS genealogy center in your town? They should be able to order the file! Terri