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Hi: In the late 1950's or early 60's my Grandfather, who was originally from Tennessee, received a letter offering him a section of land in Oklahoma because he had ancestors (I believe it was on his mothers side) who were of Cherokee heritage. Because my grandfather was living and working in Arkansas he turned it down. I am trying to find out where that letter would have originated from. Finding information on where that letter originated could help with my family history. I would appreciate any help Thanks Phyllis

Dan, I have a question. As many researchers state “my family told me there were NA in our family”. However, since my family was in Texas in the early 1830’s and in the Nacogdoches territory (my city is actually across from the Nacogdoches City river in between I believe my grandfather. However, my grandparents would not talk about that, on either side. So where do we look to see if our families are in fact Native American? The Cherokee were given this area by General and later Governor Houston in a treaty. The next Govener bundled them up and sent them to OK where many of my grandfather’s (faternal) family moved to. Rusk, TX had a cemetary that Cherokee were buried and in fact, is a local visitors site but the Cherokee tribe denied the people there as NA. Livingston is only a few miles from here and a reservation for Cherokee and I believe even Caddo. The Caddo tribe were said to have lived here in this area before the treaty. I am researching family, not looking for those “financial” links so many mention. I frankly don’t care about that. I have two sets of grandparents whose ancestors were out West early, much earlier than most and many NA broke away to avoid being labeled “Indian” back then. So is there somewhere there is birthdates of family members of the NA tribes as I have documented proof of my lines? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dan M via Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:19 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Good to see people chatting . Nice to see some of you still online. Brick walls are hard sometimes. Going back in time is hard enough, but some times, even in real time, going back to real live relations can even prove hard to do. Doing any Indian lines is really hard since they were not recorded before the people from other lands came here with writing. DNA seems to be a blockbuster in these cases, how ever, if there is no DNA of those past, it becomes another brick wall. Some times a proven line with a DNA test helps those who are not proven find their way. Dan M -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Woolf via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:42 PM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.   Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.   I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.   To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.   I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.   Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS   did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.     Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886.    I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps.    For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie On Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM, wrote: I'm not related (that I know of) so I haven't looked into it Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:52 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government So, every one fall asleep since this post? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene]Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Thanks. Is there any one on this list related to this tribe? 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I have a question. I have two Thompson girls who married into my family and I have their birth dates from old bible pages. They were living in LA first with their parents, then with their siblings the next year. The names were SARAH JANE THOMPSON with the date of 27 Apr 1842? (I have the question mark because the last number of the year on the page is dim and hard to read The second girl was NANCY JANE THOMPSON dated 27 Apr 1842 which is very clear. I also have a tintype of the two girls dressed alike. These girls were in JOHN and FRANCES THOMPSON's household in 1850 in Calcasieu Parish, LA. In 1860 they were living in separate household, NANCY in JEFFERSON EVANS' H/H and SARAH in MOSES DANIELS' h/h/ in Rapides Parish, LA (both parish names were one at one time). In 1850 John and Frances Thompson were listed in the h/h next to Archibald Thompson and JAMES THOMPSON was living next to them. Daniel Moses married Eliza Thompson and Jefferson Evans married Mary, the girls' sister. Nancy and Sarah married brothers, Haley and James Z Weeks who lived in Newton Co, TX, joined the Rebs in Rapides Parish, LA. The Weeks, Daniels and Evans families ended up in Angelina Co, TX. Now my questions is this, what was the relationship of these girls? I have documents of their birth, they lived NEXT to Archibald Thomas, yet researchers on him deny relationship. There has to be some connection. Especially since so many of the families migrated to East Texas. Any help would be appreciated. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Deborah Woolf via Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:58 PM To: Susan Reynolds;cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Susan, I just found another complicated.     Lovada Ann Thompson used surnames indiscriminately.   Sometimes MORGAN, sometimes DAVIS.    I'm pretty confident she did marry a MORGAN at one time. Now though I am not sure that John Allen MORGAN who I thought her son is hers.  He was living near her on occassions and family had pics of him and thought that was the relationship.   I just found his social security application, in which he lists not Jos. Morgan but a James MORGAN a father, and not Lovada Ann Thompson but Eliz. THOMPSON as mother.   If this is correct, than my Eliz. LONG THOMPSON might have remarried a James DAVIS.    Where?  I am not sure, as I have not found her in 1860.   You will recall Uly Arminda Thompson, her dau. born abt 1860.    Well John Allen Morgan is born abt 1879.  However, Eliz. THOMPSON was living with her dau. Arminda in 1880 with no son...  so I'm just not sure abt this John Allen MORGAN's info.   this is the way it always is with this particular family.   Misinformation abounds. On Monday, October 26, 2015 9:08 PM, Susan Reynolds via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks, Alli! I had a quick look at my files.  Caleb Thompson went east with the NC Cherokees in the spring of 1882.  This was an official group and somewhere I have a copy of the muster, but hanged if I can put my hands on it.  He did have other siblings besides Elizabeth, but his ECA shows none lived to adulthood. These were mostly the children who went to IT.  Elizabeth Thompson Meadows shows they also had a brother Peter that Caleb did not list and for whom there is no birth or death information.  That might be a good thought.  Their mother was Mary Pauline "Polly" Starr.  Elizabeth Thompson Meadows was born about 26 April 1826 in Cherokee County NC according to her ECA.  It is entirely possible she had a liaison before marrying William Meadows that produced children.  She married Meadows sometime around 1849.  There is a Long family living just a few households away in Union Co GA in 1860.  I'll play with this at the weekend if I can - gotta do a band competition first, though, so it might be later than that. There are also several letters in the records of the Cherokee Agency in TN that reference what might be David Thompson's kin.  I'll get them converted to PDFs and send them to you.  David Thompson also could have had an family before or concurrent with Nancy.  This is more than plausible. Debbie,I have pasted in David Thompson's muster entry along with  another that may interest you.  David and Nancy Rider Thompson went west in 1834 in company with the Quintons.  This roll and several stories affiliated with it, documented by family members and by Lt. Harris are on-line.  It's so sad that 5 of David Thompson's family died so close together.  No wonder he went back east! David Thompson Removal The foregoing were removed in wagons and steam boats by Lt. J W Harris to the New Country on May 16, 1834 The following Emmigration Roll of persons who left Cherokee Nation East after receiving their commutation allowance. Number of them joined the Harris company and all were making the journey at the same time. REMOVED BY COMMUTATION AND CAME BY THEMSELVES (Arr. means date of arrival) Thompson, David: (15) Arr. June 1, 1834--3 died 15th Aug., 1 the 10th Sept & 1 the 25 Sept 1834 James McDaniels, born 1794 in North Carolina. A quarter-blood Cherokee, he married Rachel Shelton =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Susan, I just found another complicated.     Lovada Ann Thompson used surnames indiscriminately.   Sometimes MORGAN, sometimes DAVIS.    I'm pretty confident she did marry a MORGAN at one time. Now though I am not sure that John Allen MORGAN who I thought her son is hers.  He was living near her on occassions and family had pics of him and thought that was the relationship.   I just found his social security application, in which he lists not Jos. Morgan but a James MORGAN a father, and not Lovada Ann Thompson but Eliz. THOMPSON as mother.   If this is correct, than my Eliz. LONG THOMPSON might have remarried a James DAVIS.    Where?  I am not sure, as I have not found her in 1860.   You will recall Uly Arminda Thompson, her dau. born abt 1860.    Well John Allen Morgan is born abt 1879.  However, Eliz. THOMPSON was living with her dau. Arminda in 1880 with no son...  so I'm just not sure abt this John Allen MORGAN's info.   this is the way it always is with this particular family.   Misinformation abounds. On Monday, October 26, 2015 9:08 PM, Susan Reynolds via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Thanks, Alli! I had a quick look at my files.  Caleb Thompson went east with the NC Cherokees in the spring of 1882.  This was an official group and somewhere I have a copy of the muster, but hanged if I can put my hands on it.  He did have other siblings besides Elizabeth, but his ECA shows none lived to adulthood. These were mostly the children who went to IT.  Elizabeth Thompson Meadows shows they also had a brother Peter that Caleb did not list and for whom there is no birth or death information.  That might be a good thought.  Their mother was Mary Pauline "Polly" Starr.  Elizabeth Thompson Meadows was born about 26 April 1826 in Cherokee County NC according to her ECA.  It is entirely possible she had a liaison before marrying William Meadows that produced children.  She married Meadows sometime around 1849.  There is a Long family living just a few households away in Union Co GA in 1860.  I'll play with this at the weekend if I can - gotta do a band competition first, though, so it might be later than that. There are also several letters in the records of the Cherokee Agency in TN that reference what might be David Thompson's kin.  I'll get them converted to PDFs and send them to you.  David Thompson also could have had an family before or concurrent with Nancy.  This is more than plausible. Debbie,I have pasted in David Thompson's muster entry along with  another that may interest you.  David and Nancy Rider Thompson went west in 1834 in company with the Quintons.  This roll and several stories affiliated with it, documented by family members and by Lt. Harris are on-line.  It's so sad that 5 of David Thompson's family died so close together.  No wonder he went back east! David Thompson Removal The foregoing were removed in wagons and steam boats by Lt. J W Harris to the New Country on May 16, 1834 The following Emmigration Roll of persons who left Cherokee Nation East after receiving their commutation allowance. Number of them joined the Harris company and all were making the journey at the same time. REMOVED BY COMMUTATION AND CAME BY THEMSELVES (Arr. means date of arrival) Thompson, David: (15) Arr. June 1, 1834--3 died 15th Aug., 1 the 10th Sept & 1 the 25 Sept 1834 James McDaniels, born 1794 in North Carolina. A quarter-blood Cherokee, he married Rachel Shelton =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Susan, if I am off David Thompson's line it would have to be a 2nd wife or partner at the same time as Nancy (I believe).   A Leatherwood female is a possiblity or even Eliz. LONG THOMPSON b abt 1827 NC. Her children's names and births as follow: Lovada "Vada" Ann Thompson b  1845 GA   md. several times, supposedly (1) md 2 Jan 1866 Gilmer GA Joe Davis, who might be the same man who md. a LONG which totally confuses me)   (2) md 5 Nov 1871 Fannin Co. GA Wm. Columbus Fortner this one is proven (3) md. 1892 FLoyd GA Joseph R. MORGAN and just because of it's interesting name, one son named  Henry Winston Quilla Rose Davis "Wincie".  I mistook him for female for a long time!   James Manuel "Manny" Thompson b abt 1848 NC md. Lumpkin Co. GA  Sarah Matilda SHELTON  (this is my line) Caroline Lydia or Lydia Caroline Thompson b abt 1849 GA md. 20 Sept 1865 Fannin Co. GA Samuel Flemmons STANLEY  note: Stanley's sister also md. into the FORTNERs, a sister in law of her sister Lovada) Uly Arminda Thompson b abt 1860 md abt 1879 John M. PAYNE Now all these THOMPSONS came out to I.T. and Texas by abt 1886 or so.   Uly Arminda's husband changed his name.  The story told is that he was wanted for a crime, so the family took off and he then used MANSON as his surname.   I can give you more info on later descendants but the roadblock is here with Elizabeth THOMPSON.   Who was she? like I said my DNA matches James LONG and Uly CANSLER so I believe her living with them in 1850 is because she is their daughter.   Who was her THOMPSON mate?    He is NEVER on a census with her. I found her in 1850 Union Co. (With the LONGS), in 1860 I can not find her which might be a big deal if I could locate her and her children (which I have not had luck, and was hand scanning all counties in the tri state region at one time.   I found her in Fannin Co. 1870,  1880 she lives with her daughter Uly Arminda Payne in Fannin Co. GA.   I do not pick her up after that time period although I am missing her son James Manuel Thompson from the census and his son Hiram Virgil.  I know here his son Henry Miles Thompson is because he was an hired hand in his future wife's family, iie. MYERS who came from Rhea & Meigs Co. TN to I.T.  One of his sisters had married into this family already in Rhea Co. TN. I'll send this and see if you have anything to add.  Thanks for anything you might be able to provide. Debbie   On Monday, October 26, 2015 6:41 PM, wrote: Congrat’s Susan on being so close to your Masters……that’s cool. Now if I could only find someone that’s actually researching my line…..but it looks like Deb might get lucky though :o) From: Susan Reynolds [mailto:s3js9938@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:54 AM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; CherokeeGene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Hi, Alli & Debbie! Nancy Rider is RIDER, daughter of Austin Rider.  I can't recall his Cherokee wife's name at the moment  Debbie, I have all the Thompson and allied ECAs and Dawes applications on the David Thompson Cherokee lines.  He and Nancy emigrated to the IT as Old Settlers with their youngest children.  Following their deaths, David returned to GA and remarried - a white woman  -and had another family.  This is my cousin's son-in-law's line.  I have not yet pulled all the Rider ECAs and Dawes.  I am happy to share the many I already have. Nancy and David's son Caleb emigrated to the IT with the NC Cherokees in the 1870s or 1880s.  I can't remember the date off hand and I'm at work so I can't check.​  I think I have a copy of that roll, too.  He had a sister who remained in GA.  I'm wanting to say her name was Elizabeth.  If you have DNA connections with this line, it is a good possibility you are looking at David Thompson's second family.  There is some speculation he had other Cherokee children besides Caleb and his sister.  I'll have to look when I get home.  Don't be shy about reminding me.  I just have 4 classes to go on my masters after this term and sometimes my mind just goes AWOL. Have a wonderful day, all! Susan On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > wrote: I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder?  Some reason that name (nancy ryder) seems familiar to me. You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to drive a person batty LOL Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book later to post my stuff. I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that people put together. You’ll have a break through eventually :o) From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net <mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net> ] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com <mailto:iamcheroke@gmail.com> >; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.  Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.  I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.  To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.  I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.  Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS  did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.    Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886. I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps. For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Thanks, Alli! I had a quick look at my files. Caleb Thompson went east with the NC Cherokees in the spring of 1882. This was an official group and somewhere I have a copy of the muster, but hanged if I can put my hands on it. He did have other siblings besides Elizabeth, but his ECA shows none lived to adulthood. These were mostly the children who went to IT. Elizabeth Thompson Meadows shows they also had a brother Peter that Caleb did not list and for whom there is no birth or death information. That might be a good thought. Their mother was Mary Pauline "Polly" Starr. Elizabeth Thompson Meadows was born about 26 April 1826 in Cherokee County NC according to her ECA. It is entirely possible she had a liaison before marrying William Meadows that produced children. She married Meadows sometime around 1849. There is a Long family living just a few households away in Union Co GA in 1860. I'll play with this at the weekend if I can - gotta do a band competition first, though, so it might be later than that. There are also several letters in the records of the Cherokee Agency in TN that reference what might be David Thompson's kin. I'll get them converted to PDFs and send them to you. David Thompson also could have had an family before or concurrent with Nancy. This is more than plausible. Debbie,I have pasted in David Thompson's muster entry along with another that may interest you. David and Nancy Rider Thompson went west in 1834 in company with the Quintons. This roll and several stories affiliated with it, documented by family members and by Lt. Harris are on-line. It's so sad that 5 of David Thompson's family died so close together. No wonder he went back east! David Thompson Removal The foregoing were removed in wagons and steam boats by Lt. J W Harris to the New Country on May 16, 1834 The following Emmigration Roll of persons who left Cherokee Nation East after receiving their commutation allowance. Number of them joined the Harris company and all were making the journey at the same time. REMOVED BY COMMUTATION AND CAME BY THEMSELVES (Arr. means date of arrival) Thompson, David: (15) Arr. June 1, 1834--3 died 15th Aug., 1 the 10th Sept & 1 the 25 Sept 1834 James McDaniels, born 1794 in North Carolina. A quarter-blood Cherokee, he married Rachel Shelton

LOL I have an Elizabeth Thompson too…..except she was married to a James Adams. She was from NC & he was from Tn. Her siblings were David & James. David I think died in the late 1800’s not sure about James. There was mention of a daughter, but no name. James Adams was named after his dad also a James. There was a Nellie Adams listed, but I have absolutely no idea if it’s the Jr Adams’ mom or an Aunt or even a sister. Elizabeth’s parents were Thomas Thompson & Delphia unknown. She’s suppose to be the Cherokee That’s all I know :o) From: Susan Reynolds [mailto:s3js9938@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 10:08 PM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; CherokeeGene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Thanks, Alli! I had a quick look at my files. Caleb Thompson went east with the NC Cherokees in the spring of 1882. This was an official group and somewhere I have a copy of the muster, but hanged if I can put my hands on it. He did have other siblings besides Elizabeth, but his ECA shows none lived to adulthood. These were mostly the children who went to IT. Elizabeth Thompson Meadows shows they also had a brother Peter that Caleb did not list and for whom there is no birth or death information. That might be a good thought. Their mother was Mary Pauline "Polly" Starr. Elizabeth Thompson Meadows was born about 26 April 1826 in Cherokee County NC according to her ECA. It is entirely possible she had a liaison before marrying William Meadows that produced children. She married Meadows sometime around 1849. There is a Long family living just a few households away in Union Co GA in 1860. I'll play with this at the weekend if I can - gotta do a band competition first, though, so it might be later than that. There are also several letters in the records of the Cherokee Agency in TN that reference what might be David Thompson's kin. I'll get them converted to PDFs and send them to you. David Thompson also could have had an family before or concurrent with Nancy. This is more than plausible. Debbie,I have pasted in David Thompson's muster entry along with another that may interest you. David and Nancy Rider Thompson went west in 1834 in company with the Quintons. This roll and several stories affiliated with it, documented by family members and by Lt. Harris are on-line. It's so sad that 5 of David Thompson's family died so close together. No wonder he went back east! David Thompson Removal The foregoing were removed in wagons and steam boats by Lt. J W Harris to the New Country on May 16, 1834 The following Emmigration Roll of persons who left Cherokee Nation East after receiving their commutation allowance. Number of them joined the Harris company and all were making the journey at the same time. REMOVED BY COMMUTATION AND CAME BY THEMSELVES (Arr. means date of arrival) Thompson, David: (15) Arr. June 1, 1834--3 died 15th Aug., 1 the 10th Sept & 1 the 25 Sept 1834 James McDaniels, born 1794 in North Carolina. A quarter-blood Cherokee, he married Rachel Shelton

Well, at least I'm not totally losing my mind LOL -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Woolf via Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 12:57 AM To: Deborah Woolf <woolfpac@prodigy.net>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Hi Alli, yes I have seen it as RYDER and she was Cherokee.

Congrat’s Susan on being so close to your Masters……that’s cool. Now if I could only find someone that’s actually researching my line…..but it looks like Deb might get lucky though :o) From: Susan Reynolds [mailto:s3js9938@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 7:54 AM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; CherokeeGene <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Thompson, Long, etc Hi, Alli & Debbie! Nancy Rider is RIDER, daughter of Austin Rider. I can't recall his Cherokee wife's name at the moment Debbie, I have all the Thompson and allied ECAs and Dawes applications on the David Thompson Cherokee lines. He and Nancy emigrated to the IT as Old Settlers with their youngest children. Following their deaths, David returned to GA and remarried - a white woman -and had another family. This is my cousin's son-in-law's line. I have not yet pulled all the Rider ECAs and Dawes. I am happy to share the many I already have. Nancy and David's son Caleb emigrated to the IT with the NC Cherokees in the 1870s or 1880s. I can't remember the date off hand and I'm at work so I can't check.​ I think I have a copy of that roll, too. He had a sister who remained in GA. I'm wanting to say her name was Elizabeth. If you have DNA connections with this line, it is a good possibility you are looking at David Thompson's second family. There is some speculation he had other Cherokee children besides Caleb and his sister. I'll have to look when I get home. Don't be shy about reminding me. I just have 4 classes to go on my masters after this term and sometimes my mind just goes AWOL. Have a wonderful day, all! Susan On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> > wrote: I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder? Some reason that name (nancy ryder) seems familiar to me. You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to drive a person batty LOL Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book later to post my stuff. I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that people put together. You’ll have a break through eventually :o) From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net <mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net> ] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com <mailto:iamcheroke@gmail.com> >; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com <mailto:cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped. Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really. mine go through the RED BOLLING lines. DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood. I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not. It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line. To update because it's been so long, that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia. I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns. I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs). I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before. Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886. I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps. For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Good to see people chatting . Nice to see some of you still online. Brick walls are hard sometimes. Going back in time is hard enough, but some times, even in real time, going back to real live relations can even prove hard to do. Doing any Indian lines is really hard since they were not recorded before the people from other lands came here with writing. DNA seems to be a blockbuster in these cases, how ever, if there is no DNA of those past, it becomes another brick wall. Some times a proven line with a DNA test helps those who are not proven find their way. Dan M -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Deborah Woolf via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 8:42 PM To: Alli :); cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.   Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.   I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.   To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.   I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.   Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS   did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.     Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886.    I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps.    For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie On Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM, wrote: I'm not related (that I know of) so I haven't looked into it Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:52 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government So, every one fall asleep since this post? 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Hi, Alli & Debbie! Nancy Rider is RIDER, daughter of Austin Rider. I can't recall his Cherokee wife's name at the moment Debbie, I have all the Thompson and allied ECAs and Dawes applications on the David Thompson Cherokee lines. He and Nancy emigrated to the IT as Old Settlers with their youngest children. Following their deaths, David returned to GA and remarried - a white woman -and had another family. This is my cousin's son-in-law's line. I have not yet pulled all the Rider ECAs and Dawes. I am happy to share the many I already have. Nancy and David's son Caleb emigrated to the IT with the NC Cherokees in the 1870s or 1880s. I can't remember the date off hand and I'm at work so I can't check.​ I think I have a copy of that roll, too. He had a sister who remained in GA. I'm wanting to say her name was Elizabeth. If you have DNA connections with this line, it is a good possibility you are looking at David Thompson's second family. There is some speculation he had other Cherokee children besides Caleb and his sister. I'll have to look when I get home. Don't be shy about reminding me. I just have 4 classes to go on my masters after this term and sometimes my mind just goes AWOL. Have a wonderful day, all! Susan On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder? Some reason that name (nancy > ryder) seems familiar to me. > > > > You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to > drive a person batty LOL > > > > Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? > > > > I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book > later to post my stuff. > > > > I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a > researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being > Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its > Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And > there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that > people put together. > > > > You’ll have a break through eventually :o) > > > > From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM > To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won > recognition from the federal government > > > > Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped. Found out I have two proven lines > to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really. mine go > through the RED BOLLING lines. DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. > I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN > name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. > > > > > > My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus > blood. I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not. It's way > more than I should be showing with DNA. > > > > > > I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON > lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER > line. To update because it's been so long, that line was living near my > THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia. I always suspected it may be related > because of naming patterns. I can not find any MALE as father of my > female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates > and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck > with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. > > > > > > This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. > Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS did indeed marry > into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke > fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs). I > do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I > was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. > > > > > > I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, > possible slightly before. Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she > being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of > GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where > her family went abt 1886. > > > > > > > > I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me > but can not locate anything so far that helps. > > > > > > > > For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. > > > > > > Debbie > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I forgot to say I chose ANCESTRY dna test because it can also be uploaded to FTdna and Gedmatch.  Gedmatch is free except they have some tools  you need to pay for to use. I haven't done that yet.   I am on both sites, paid for FTdna to look at my matches.     I also have done my mother's and she's uploaded to both, not paid for on FTdna yet as I see very little differences so far with her matches and mine.   I have a test to use on my father soon, to help me sort out a few things. Ancestry was at a really good price last week, best it's been in awhile but may be off sale now.   On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:57 PM, Deborah Woolf <woolfpac@prodigy.net> wrote: Hi Alli, yes I have seen it as RYDER and she was Cherokee. On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:08 PM, Deborah Woolf via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi David, I think my Eliz. LONG b abt 1827 is the dau of James Long and Uly Cansler.  She was living with them in 1850 as a THOMPSON with 3 of her children.  She could be a niece however.  I'm certain she is a LONG though as my DNA matches the lineage.     On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:00 PM, David STEVENS via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote:   Hello Debbie, I have an Elizabeth LONG born to George W LONG but no known dates or places. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder?  Some reason that name (nancy > ryder) seems familiar to me. > > > > You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to > drive a person batty LOL > > > > Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? > > > > I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book > later to post my stuff. > > > > I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a > researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being > Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its > Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And > there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that > people put together. > > > > You’ll have a break through eventually :o) > > > > From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM > To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won > recognition from the federal government > > > > Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.  Found out I have two proven lines > to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go > through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. >  I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN > name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. > > > > > > My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus > blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way > more than I should be showing with DNA. > > > > > > I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON > lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER > line.  To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my > THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related > because of naming patterns.  I can not find any MALE as father of my > female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates > and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck > with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. > > > > > > This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. >  Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS  did indeed marry > into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke > fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I > do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I > was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. > > > > > > I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, > possible slightly before.    Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she > being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of > GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where > her family went abt 1886. > > > > > > > > I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me > but can not locate anything so far that helps. > > > > > > > > For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. > > > > > > Debbie > > > >  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >  Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- "In GOD we trust" "one nation Under GOD, Indivisible, with Liberty & Justice for all" =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Hi Alli, yes I have seen it as RYDER and she was Cherokee. On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:08 PM, Deborah Woolf via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi David, I think my Eliz. LONG b abt 1827 is the dau of James Long and Uly Cansler.  She was living with them in 1850 as a THOMPSON with 3 of her children.  She could be a niece however.  I'm certain she is a LONG though as my DNA matches the lineage.     On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:00 PM, David STEVENS via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote:   Hello Debbie, I have an Elizabeth LONG born to George W LONG but no known dates or places. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder?  Some reason that name (nancy > ryder) seems familiar to me. > > > > You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to > drive a person batty LOL > > > > Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? > > > > I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book > later to post my stuff. > > > > I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a > researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being > Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its > Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And > there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that > people put together. > > > > You’ll have a break through eventually :o) > > > > From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM > To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won > recognition from the federal government > > > > Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.  Found out I have two proven lines > to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go > through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. >  I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN > name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. > > > > > > My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus > blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way > more than I should be showing with DNA. > > > > > > I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON > lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER > line.  To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my > THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related > because of naming patterns.  I can not find any MALE as father of my > female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates > and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck > with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. > > > > > > This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. >  Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS  did indeed marry > into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke > fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I > do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I > was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. > > > > > > I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, > possible slightly before.    Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she > being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of > GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where > her family went abt 1886. > > > > > > > > I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me > but can not locate anything so far that helps. > > > > > > > > For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. > > > > > > Debbie > > > >  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >  Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- "In GOD we trust" "one nation Under GOD, Indivisible, with Liberty & Justice for all" =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). 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Hi David, I think my Eliz. LONG b abt 1827 is the dau of James Long and Uly Cansler.  She was living with them in 1850 as a THOMPSON with 3 of her children.  She could be a niece however.  I'm certain she is a LONG though as my DNA matches the lineage. On Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:00 PM, David STEVENS via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hello Debbie, I have an Elizabeth LONG born to George W LONG but no known dates or places. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder?  Some reason that name (nancy > ryder) seems familiar to me. > > > > You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to > drive a person batty LOL > > > > Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? > > > > I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book > later to post my stuff. > > > > I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a > researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being > Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its > Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And > there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that > people put together. > > > > You’ll have a break through eventually :o) > > > > From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM > To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won > recognition from the federal government > > > > Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.  Found out I have two proven lines > to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go > through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. >  I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN > name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. > > > > > > My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus > blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way > more than I should be showing with DNA. > > > > > > I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON > lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER > line.  To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my > THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related > because of naming patterns.  I can not find any MALE as father of my > female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates > and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck > with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. > > > > > > This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. >  Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS  did indeed marry > into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke > fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I > do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I > was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. > > > > > > I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, > possible slightly before.    Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she > being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of > GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where > her family went abt 1886. > > > > > > > > I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me > but can not locate anything so far that helps. > > > > > > > > For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. > > > > > > Debbie > > > >  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >  Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- "In GOD we trust" "one nation Under GOD, Indivisible, with Liberty & Justice for all" =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped.   Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really.  mine go through the RED BOLLING lines.  DNA is also proving it on those Bollings.   I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood.  I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not.  It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line.   To update because it's been so long,  that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia.    I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns.   I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee.   Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS   did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs).  I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before.     Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886.    I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps.    For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie On Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:38 AM, wrote: I'm not related (that I know of) so I haven't looked into it Alli -----Original Message----- From: cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:cherokeegene-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dan M via Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 10:52 AM To: cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government So, every one fall asleep since this post? Dan M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan M via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "Joy King" <joyk@sc.rr.com>; <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene]Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Thanks. Is there any one on this list related to this tribe? Dan M a Sizemore relation ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy King via" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> To: "CherokeeGene" <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com>; "Sizemore" <sizemore@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 8:51 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-renowned-virginia-indian-tribe-finally -wins-federal-recognition/2015/07/02/40cc0dd4-200a-11e5-aeb9-a411a84c9d55_st ory.html  =====*NOTICE THIS*===== Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and sort fact from (fiction). List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Debbie, I have an Elizabeth LONG born to George W LONG but no known dates or places. On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Alli :) via <cherokeegene@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder? Some reason that name (nancy > ryder) seems familiar to me. > > > > You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to > drive a person batty LOL > > > > Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? > > > > I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book > later to post my stuff. > > > > I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a > researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being > Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its > Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And > there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that > people put together. > > > > You’ll have a break through eventually :o) > > > > From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM > To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won > recognition from the federal government > > > > Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped. Found out I have two proven lines > to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really. mine go > through the RED BOLLING lines. DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. > I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN > name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. > > > > > > My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus > blood. I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not. It's way > more than I should be showing with DNA. > > > > > > I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON > lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER > line. To update because it's been so long, that line was living near my > THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia. I always suspected it may be related > because of naming patterns. I can not find any MALE as father of my > female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates > and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck > with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. > > > > > > This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. > Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS did indeed marry > into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke > fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs). I > do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I > was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. > > > > > > I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, > possible slightly before. Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she > being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of > GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where > her family went abt 1886. > > > > > > > > I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me > but can not locate anything so far that helps. > > > > > > > > For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. > > > > > > Debbie > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > Cherokee genealogy; certain conversation is allowed to do genealogy; and > sort fact from (fiction). > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > please take non genealogy to Cherokee@rootsweb.com > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHEROKEEGENE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- "In GOD we trust" "one nation Under GOD, Indivisible, with Liberty & Justice for all"

I wonder if Nancy Rider could be Ryder? Some reason that name (nancy ryder) seems familiar to me. You & I are still having the same issues with Thompson lines….enough to drive a person batty LOL Congrat’s on the dna proof……some day I’ll do that. What test did you use? I don’t have my stuff memorized anymore so I’ll have to dig out the book later to post my stuff. I’m still stuck on my Thomas Thompson & Delphia……..I had a researcher/genealogist tell me she found her listed on a census as being Cherokee but I have no idea which census that was. Many think its Philadelphia Wilson, but the info doesn’t match that I have found. And there wasn’t much real proof, just speculation of the connection that people put together. You’ll have a break through eventually :o) From: Deborah Woolf [mailto:woolfpac@prodigy.net] Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 9:42 PM To: Alli :) <iamcheroke@gmail.com>; cherokeegene@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Virginiaâ?Ts Pamunkey Indians have won recognition from the federal government Hi Dan, I'm still around just swamped. Found out I have two proven lines to Pochohantas and yes I know many say that and aren't really. mine go through the RED BOLLING lines. DNA is also proving it on those Bollings. I also know it is not her real name but using it as it is the BEST KNOWN name, even if given by anglos and not nice meaning. My DNA shows me with more Mediterranean lines than I expected and Cacausus blood. I'm not sure if that is actually the native line or not. It's way more than I should be showing with DNA. I'm still at a lost on a few of my lines, particularly the THOMPSON lineage but have some DNA connections to the David THOMPSON and Nancy RIDER line. To update because it's been so long, that line was living near my THOMPSON female in 1850 Georgia. I always suspected it may be related because of naming patterns. I can not find any MALE as father of my female's children. I have tried tracking down that on death certificates and found some but not all her chldren's death certificates. So far no luck with the name, it's just UNKNOWN on that spot. This line also has a LEATHERWOOD connection we were told was Cherokee. Researching lead me to believe that the LEATHERWOODS did indeed marry into the Cherokee lines but lived as whites (mostly) although they spoke fluent Cherokee and worked at a trading store (one of the LEATHERWOODs). I do not know where they enter my line, but DNA also supports that. I think I was given the wrong generation and it was one further back. I'm looking for a THOMPSON who md. LEATHERWOOD probably abt 1800-1820's, possible slightly before. Fathered a son who married Elizabeth LONG she being born abt 1827 NC died aft 1880, probably in the tri state region of GA, NC, TN.... possible AL, or she died enroute to Okla Ind. Lands where her family went abt 1886. I feel sure there is something back in that tri state region to help me but can not locate anything so far that helps. For this reason I haven't posted in awhile. Debbie