I have these applications and they all claim through Mary Sandusky nee Funderburk. They were all rejected because no connection with Cherokee Nation was demonstrated with no one on any roll. Interestingly every one of them claims their Indian name is Mary Funderburk - even Leroy - and their mother is also Mary Funderburk even though she is Matilda or Mary Elizabeth. In Matilda's application she was asked why neither her parents or grandparents were never enrolled said the family had only just found out about the payment to "relations" of the tribe. The information about the commission likely came from Priscilla who was the only one living in the IT. Mary Eveline's number was 45260 and her sister Keziah's 45261. Even though Keziah was married to a Blevins from Wayne, he did not appear to have applied. John Chambers Blevins looks like he is probably also the grandson of the Jonathan Blevins of Earleene's post, although I cannot verify that at the moment. I can send you copies of the applications, but it will be tomorrow night before I can convert them to PDFs. I did not download Maary Eveline Hurt's shildren's applications or check to see if there were any others for the other folks, but I can do that tomorrow, if you like. Happy time travels! Susan On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 7:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > John Chambers "Fox" Blevins married Kiziah Shoemaker Smith 03 July 1902, > Wayne County, Kentucky. > > These Eastern Cherokee applications belong to the family of Kiziah > Shoemaker Smith that lived in Mt. Pisgah, Wayne County, Kentucky. > > 45240 Matilda Vianna SANDUSKY SMITH > 45262 Laura Isabelle SMITH ANDERSON > 45263 Leroy Huston SMITH > 45288 Mary Elizabeth BURNETT DAVIS > 45399 Priscilla DAVIS MILLER > > 45860 Mary Eveline SANDUSKY HURT > > Anyone know of any additional information on this family? > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Chambers "Fox" Blevins married Kiziah Shoemaker Smith 03 July 1902, Wayne County, Kentucky. These Eastern Cherokee applications belong to the family of Kiziah Shoemaker Smith that lived in Mt. Pisgah, Wayne County, Kentucky. 45240 Matilda Vianna SANDUSKY SMITH 45262 Laura Isabelle SMITH ANDERSON 45263 Leroy Huston SMITH 45288 Mary Elizabeth BURNETT DAVIS 45399 Priscilla DAVIS MILLER 45860 Mary Eveline SANDUSKY HURT Anyone know of any additional information on this family?

I am related to many of these people & have info that has been documented. they went to cherokee territory when they laft wayne co ky that place was dade co ga,was cherokee then walker now dade. i have records to show elizabeth blevins married christian steel then jacob troxell.christian was in war of 1812, jake was in rev war & there is proof as there was some concern for his wife getting his pension, .june bork thought it important to record the people in wayne co so history would not be lost, I found many of my realitives in her books..daniel blevins was married I think twice but will have to look at records to be sure if he married more than that.his last wife was charlotte(lottie ) muse. also have the info on that.he was from virginia. I will not say more without looking at my records.except there is a record of marriage in wayne co ky of elizabeth& christian. among others. elizabeth & christian had 4 children can only find about 2 , sarah born 1811 & eli. dont find a record on others. elizabeth & jacob had one child louisa troxell, she has decendents in dade co now.also have a picture of christian holding two of the kids. earleene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

joyce i am related to many of those folks who migrated from wayne co ky, they went to dade co ga as at the time was cherokee territory.. some setteled there & some were in DeKalb co al. which is near by, this area is around sand mountain & look out mt. in the valley, some were in tn, as this was near the state line as it shows now.my gggreat grandmother is elizabeth blevins daughter of jonathan blevins son of daniel blevins,we have the line on them,sarah steel was her daughter,she married abraham tinker from unicoi tn. elizabeth was married to christian steel in wayne co ky & when he died she married george jacob troxell. they had a daughter lousia & her decendents are now in dade co ga.this is documented as both men were in the war,,christian was in war of 1812,jake was in rev war & is on record also elizanbeth as his wife. i never heard about daniel being married to cornblossom but jacob troxel was & there were children. june bork has much of this is her books.a lot on federal records. earleene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Excellent posting Susan! > > You know the names of those responsible for this entire conglomeration of > misinformation concerning Troxell/Cornblossom. I debunked that one years > ago. There were/are three different myths, all originating in > southeastern > Kentucky and all seem to have some basis in the Kenneth Tankersley > research > (which plainly states there is no documentation for what he wrote, > claiming > his best to be 'oral history'). One myth is this one, the second is the > Aaron Brock/Red Bird myth and the third is the Sizemore. I get the > Sizemore > / Brock since many old researchers believed Jesse Brock, Aaron's son, to > have married a Sizemore. The Troxell myth spins off that somehow. Just > last week I posted, on the Brock surname list, several documents that > disproved that a Cherokee Chief was Aaron Brock aka Red Bird. (There is a > facebook list entitled "Aaron Brock aka Chief Red Bird". When I posted on > it that it wasn't documented and asked another poster to document his > statements I was called 'rude' by several of the list members and banned > from the list....of course the list creator is one of those people who > apparently think the Cherokee were all mystical beings.) > > The Troxell believers claim that Doublehead was the grandfather of this > Cornblossom (a myth that also exists among the Shawnee). That Christian > Priber was the father by Doublehead's dtr. Christian Priber stayed among > the Cherokee less than 3 years before he was imprisioned by the British > and > died in a Georgia jail. He was know as "The French Spy". He was, to put > it > bluntly, a nutcase. He could not have possibly fathered a child at the > right age since the conception would have been after his death. Ludovic > Grant's journal reveals much about this as does the appalachian.summit web > site. > > Now, SUSAN, as for Wayne County, KY. Maybe you can explain to me a > question > I've had floating in my mind for years. Researching as much as I do here > in > McMinn Co., TN I have seen the Old Nathan Lawson family, the > Wattenbarger's, > the Buttram's and 3 or 4 more families here in 1820's (possibly earlier) > McMinn and all from Wayne Co. Do you think that perhaps there was a 'mass > migration' from Wayne south into McMinn when the county opened for > settlement? Some of these same Lawson's seem to be on the south side of > the > Hiwassee prior to Removal (which was a no - no)....meaning they were > living > on Cherokee land. The Buttram's and Wattenbarger's settled in the west > part > of the county to form the methodist churches there. I know we had a lot > of > area settlers move into McMinn and Monroe when the counties were formed > but > I've never figured out why Wayne Co., KY. The only thing I can think of > is > if the land was ceeded from the Cherokee in the 1805 (possibly 1795) > Treaty > and they were doing like so many other families and going on to Indian > Territory. > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good question, Joyce. I don't think it had to do with the land being ceded by the Cherokee so much as it had to do with the bounty warrants from the Revolution and the War of 1812. My James L. "Logan" Jones left Wayne County in the 1820s spent a few years in Tennessee (although I don't know where yet with James Jones being such a common name,) then moved westward into Missouri by 1834 or 35 where he lived out the remainder of his long life. Logan was born in Wayne County where his grandfather, Joshua Jones, built the first ironworks in Kentucky. Joshua was a revolutionary patriot, but I haven't yet located any warrant for bounty land. He certainly knew about it as a surveyor. There was ample opportunity in Wayne County early on, but by the time Logan reached his majority, the land was mostly all claimed due to military grants from the Revolution and headrights grants. I had wondered about why Logan left and just never connected it until I saw his father served in the War of 1812 (here's a roster of Wayne county men who fought in that war, Buttram/Bertram among them: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kywayne/warof1812.html) and would have received bounty land for his service, but neither James Sr. nor his other sons left Wayne County, only James Jr. So it hit me between the eyes while thinking about the answer for you he was probably among those who exited south then westward to claim bounty land in Missouri. I haven't found a military warrant for Logan's land in MO, but he might have claimed one in TN on a warrant transferred to him by his father. Likewise, he may have lived on land registered by his grandfather - Joshua was a surveyor for a time for NC and he assisted in finding bounty land in TN for revolutionary veterans in the TN Military District. Surveyors were paid in rights - land - in the area and Joshua likely had a good deal of TN land because he surveyed a great deal of it and his land in Wayne County 400 acres on Elk creek was surveyed and registered as part of his rights. Interestingly it is this Jones line we were told all my life was part Cherokee, then my Grandma told us about 5 years before her death no, it was part Arapaho and part Blackfoot. I don't believe that last at all, and only a slim glimmer on the Cherokee. No evidence I can find at all. Send me the other names off list and I'll see what I have on them and maybe we can connect the dots. Do you have access to Heritage Quest? If so, my distant cousin Augusta Phillips wrote an interesting history of Wayne County in the 1930s and it includes many, many biographical notes. Interestingly, Mark Twain had connections to Wayne County. His uncle, married one of my great aunts. All kinds of interesting connections in this one little county! Susan > > Now, SUSAN, as for Wayne County, KY. Maybe you can explain to me a question > I've had floating in my mind for years. Researching as much as I do here in > McMinn Co., TN I have seen the Old Nathan Lawson family, the Wattenbarger's, > the Buttram's and 3 or 4 more families here in 1820's (possibly earlier) > McMinn and all from Wayne Co. Do you think that perhaps there was a 'mass > migration' from Wayne south into McMinn when the county opened for > settlement? Some of these same Lawson's seem to be on the south side of the > Hiwassee prior to Removal (which was a no - no)....meaning they were living > on Cherokee land. The Buttram's and Wattenbarger's settled in the west part > of the county to form the methodist churches there. I know we had a lot of > area settlers move into McMinn and Monroe when the counties were formed but > I've never figured out why Wayne Co., KY. The only thing I can think of is > if the land was ceeded from the Cherokee in the 1805 (possibly 1795) Treaty > and they were doing like so many other families and going on to Indian > Territory. > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

susan i would like a copy,i have found so much of history is just that,a story.i do have info on some of them that history backs up earleene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

is that date when it was recorded/ sarah was born 1811 in ky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Hedge" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] steel/tinker > Saw Sarah Steel and Robert V. Steele on 1909 Guion Milleer Roll. No > Tinker. > Patty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:30 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGene] steel/tinker > > >> looking to find these names on cherokee list >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is >> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Excellent posting Susan! You know the names of those responsible for this entire conglomeration of misinformation concerning Troxell/Cornblossom. I debunked that one years ago. There were/are three different myths, all originating in southeastern Kentucky and all seem to have some basis in the Kenneth Tankersley research (which plainly states there is no documentation for what he wrote, claiming his best to be 'oral history'). One myth is this one, the second is the Aaron Brock/Red Bird myth and the third is the Sizemore. I get the Sizemore / Brock since many old researchers believed Jesse Brock, Aaron's son, to have married a Sizemore. The Troxell myth spins off that somehow. Just last week I posted, on the Brock surname list, several documents that disproved that a Cherokee Chief was Aaron Brock aka Red Bird. (There is a facebook list entitled "Aaron Brock aka Chief Red Bird". When I posted on it that it wasn't documented and asked another poster to document his statements I was called 'rude' by several of the list members and banned from the list....of course the list creator is one of those people who apparently think the Cherokee were all mystical beings.) The Troxell believers claim that Doublehead was the grandfather of this Cornblossom (a myth that also exists among the Shawnee). That Christian Priber was the father by Doublehead's dtr. Christian Priber stayed among the Cherokee less than 3 years before he was imprisioned by the British and died in a Georgia jail. He was know as "The French Spy". He was, to put it bluntly, a nutcase. He could not have possibly fathered a child at the right age since the conception would have been after his death. Ludovic Grant's journal reveals much about this as does the appalachian.summit web site. Now, SUSAN, as for Wayne County, KY. Maybe you can explain to me a question I've had floating in my mind for years. Researching as much as I do here in McMinn Co., TN I have seen the Old Nathan Lawson family, the Wattenbarger's, the Buttram's and 3 or 4 more families here in 1820's (possibly earlier) McMinn and all from Wayne Co. Do you think that perhaps there was a 'mass migration' from Wayne south into McMinn when the county opened for settlement? Some of these same Lawson's seem to be on the south side of the Hiwassee prior to Removal (which was a no - no)....meaning they were living on Cherokee land. The Buttram's and Wattenbarger's settled in the west part of the county to form the methodist churches there. I know we had a lot of area settlers move into McMinn and Monroe when the counties were formed but I've never figured out why Wayne Co., KY. The only thing I can think of is if the land was ceeded from the Cherokee in the 1805 (possibly 1795) Treaty and they were doing like so many other families and going on to Indian Territory. Joyce Gaston Reece

Hello, Earleene! This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to children in those earlier generations, largely because there is absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed together. There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no special place of precedence because of their father's position. The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle Shoals, AL. Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there would be a chance, but not TWO! Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, Portuguese, and so on. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: > Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is my3rd great grandmother. earleene > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Saw Sarah Steel and Robert V. Steele on 1909 Guion Milleer Roll. No Tinker. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] steel/tinker > looking to find these names on cherokee list > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

looking to find these names on cherokee list

Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is my3rd great grandmother. earleene

I have no idea why it would be in the Moravian Archives unless Meigs just 'had' it done as opposed to doing it himself and the ones who did it were the Moravians. Although I can't imagine them having the means to travel all over the territory and getting an accurate history. I don't recall seeing it in the Journals but will look again. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Susan Reynolds Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 8:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 1809 Meigs census I was just passing on the link for the page that was described in another post. There are some small rosters scattered throughout and dated 1809, that all put together might equal the over all census. I noticed most of them were whites. I wonder how many of them intermarried? I didn't really have a chance to explore everything there. I've seen at least three references that show the census housed in the Moravian Archives. I wonder what it's doing there? On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> wrote: > Were you looking at a particular section Susan? > > Janelle's page has been around for a long time. It is, for the most part, > a > list of settlers on Indian land...not a list of Cherokee people. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > > > This is the link, I think: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janelle/Intruders.htm > I wonder why it's not in the Agency records? I did find one citation > for it in the Moravian Archives but that makes zero sense. > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Were you looking at a particular section Susan? Janelle's page has been around for a long time. It is, for the most part, a list of settlers on Indian land...not a list of Cherokee people. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- This is the link, I think: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janelle/Intruders.htm I wonder why it's not in the Agency records? I did find one citation for it in the Moravian Archives but that makes zero sense.

I was just passing on the link for the page that was described in another post. There are some small rosters scattered throughout and dated 1809, that all put together might equal the over all census. I noticed most of them were whites. I wonder how many of them intermarried? I didn't really have a chance to explore everything there. I've seen at least three references that show the census housed in the Moravian Archives. I wonder what it's doing there? On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:14 AM, Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> wrote: > Were you looking at a particular section Susan? > > Janelle's page has been around for a long time. It is, for the most part, a > list of settlers on Indian land...not a list of Cherokee people. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > > > This is the link, I think: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janelle/Intruders.htm > I wonder why it's not in the Agency records? I did find one citation > for it in the Moravian Archives but that makes zero sense. > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is the link, I think: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janelle/Intruders.htm I wonder why it's not in the Agency records? I did find one citation for it in the Moravian Archives but that makes zero sense. On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Patty Hedge <[email protected]> wrote: > Joyce,. > I googled "Cherokee Census,1809, by Return J. Meigs" > Got several choices, but one had the alphabet, and you > just click the first letter of the name you want to check. > Patty > > > >

Joyce,. I googled "Cherokee Census,1809, by Return J. Meigs" Got several choices, but one had the alphabet, and you just click the first letter of the name you want to check. Patty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 1809 Meigs census >I don't know, but i'd love to see it too > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:11 PM > Subject: [CherokeeGene] 1809 Meigs census > > >>I recently learned that Agent Return J. Meigs had done a census of the >>Cherokee in 1809. >> >> I have searched for it and can’t find anything but the statistics of the >> number of mules, sawmills, etc. Is this what the census consisted of or >> did he have a name by name census done? If so where can I locate a copy? >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is >> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know, but i'd love to see it too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] 1809 Meigs census >I recently learned that Agent Return J. Meigs had done a census of the >Cherokee in 1809. > > I have searched for it and can’t find anything but the statistics of the > number of mules, sawmills, etc. Is this what the census consisted of or > did he have a name by name census done? If so where can I locate a copy? > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I recently learned that Agent Return J. Meigs had done a census of the Cherokee in 1809. I have searched for it and can’t find anything but the statistics of the number of mules, sawmills, etc. Is this what the census consisted of or did he have a name by name census done? If so where can I locate a copy? Joyce Gaston Reece

I think in a lot of case they just found names that were the same or similar and listed them. My Parks ancestors are listed as Shawnee even though they were either white or Cherokee. There were actual Shawnee who were named Parks, but not related to me. Very frustrating and mis-leading for folks who assume that something printed in a book must be correct. I wrote to Don Greene and asked for references or documentation so I could follow up and got nowhere because of course there isn't any! Kathie