Was curious about June B. Bork. Found references to these two volumes Compiled and Published by June Baldwin Bork, Wayne Co, KY Marriages and Vital Records 1801-1860, Volume 2. MarriagesK-Z, Copyright 1972, 347. June Baldwin Bork, Wayne Co, KY 1850 Census Volume 3, Copyright 1974, 65. Do you have these Susan? Joyce Gaston Reece

sorry about the wording. june bork was a teacher in wayne co ky,she saw a need to record everything about the county history & its residents & she did. I think there are three book, have lots of info in them ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Earleene, can you re-ask your question as there's a lot of spelling errors > & > I'm curious about the book by June ?? that you mention. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:28 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > > >> did you reas june borks bppks from wayne co ky > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

did you reas june borks bppks from wayne co ky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Good question, Joyce. I don't think it had to do with the land being > ceded by the Cherokee so much as it had to do with the bounty warrants > from the Revolution and the War of 1812. My James L. "Logan" Jones > left Wayne County in the 1820s spent a few years in Tennessee > (although I don't know where yet with James Jones being such a common > name,) then moved westward into Missouri by 1834 or 35 where he lived > out the remainder of his long life. Logan was born in Wayne County > where his grandfather, Joshua Jones, built the first ironworks in > Kentucky. Joshua was a revolutionary patriot, but I haven't yet > located any warrant for bounty land. He certainly knew about it as a > surveyor. There was ample opportunity in Wayne County early on, but by > the time Logan reached his majority, the land was mostly all claimed > due to military grants from the Revolution and headrights grants. I > had wondered about why Logan left and just never connected it until I > saw his father served in the War of 1812 (here's a roster of Wayne > county men who fought in that war, Buttram/Bertram among them: > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kywayne/warof1812.html) and would > have received bounty land for his service, but neither James Sr. nor > his other sons left Wayne County, only James Jr. So it hit me between > the eyes while thinking about the answer for you he was probably among > those who exited south then westward to claim bounty land in Missouri. > I haven't found a military warrant for Logan's land in MO, but he > might have claimed one in TN on a warrant transferred to him by his > father. Likewise, he may have lived on land registered by his > grandfather - Joshua was a surveyor for a time for NC and he assisted > in finding bounty land in TN for revolutionary veterans in the TN > Military District. Surveyors were paid in rights - land - in the area > and Joshua likely had a good deal of TN land because he surveyed a > great deal of it and his land in Wayne County 400 acres on Elk creek > was surveyed and registered as part of his rights. Interestingly it > is this Jones line we were told all my life was part Cherokee, then my > Grandma told us about 5 years before her death no, it was part Arapaho > and part Blackfoot. I don't believe that last at all, and only a slim > glimmer on the Cherokee. No evidence I can find at all. > > Send me the other names off list and I'll see what I have on them and > maybe we can connect the dots. Do you have access to Heritage Quest? > If so, my distant cousin Augusta Phillips wrote an interesting history > of Wayne County in the 1930s and it includes many, many biographical > notes. Interestingly, Mark Twain had connections to Wayne County. > His uncle, married one of my great aunts. All kinds of interesting > connections in this one little county! > > Susan > > > >> >> Now, SUSAN, as for Wayne County, KY. Maybe you can explain to me a >> question >> I've had floating in my mind for years. Researching as much as I do here >> in >> McMinn Co., TN I have seen the Old Nathan Lawson family, the >> Wattenbarger's, >> the Buttram's and 3 or 4 more families here in 1820's (possibly earlier) >> McMinn and all from Wayne Co. Do you think that perhaps there was a >> 'mass >> migration' from Wayne south into McMinn when the county opened for >> settlement? Some of these same Lawson's seem to be on the south side of >> the >> Hiwassee prior to Removal (which was a no - no)....meaning they were >> living >> on Cherokee land. The Buttram's and Wattenbarger's settled in the west >> part >> of the county to form the methodist churches there. I know we had a lot >> of >> area settlers move into McMinn and Monroe when the counties were formed >> but >> I've never figured out why Wayne Co., KY. The only thing I can think of >> is >> if the land was ceeded from the Cherokee in the 1805 (possibly 1795) >> Treaty >> and they were doing like so many other families and going on to Indian >> Territory. >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

you have several families mixed up you do not have my family, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found a copy of a paper about some land being surveyed...... I'd have to find it again to get the details off of it.....but does that mean that if it was being surveyed for them, then it was theirs? It was a bounty for the war I believe. But now i'm curious :) Well, i already was, but i put it away before I could ask LOL Alli > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:26 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > > >> Good question, Joyce. I don't think it had to do with the land being >> ceded by the Cherokee so much as it had to do with the bounty warrants >> from the Revolution and the War of 1812. My James L. "Logan" Jones >> left Wayne County in the 1820s spent a few years in Tennessee >> (although I don't know where yet with James Jones being such a common >> name,) then moved westward into Missouri by 1834 or 35 where he lived >> out the remainder of his long life. Logan was born in Wayne County >> where his grandfather, Joshua Jones, built the first ironworks in >> Kentucky. Joshua was a revolutionary patriot, but I haven't yet >> located any warrant for bounty land. He certainly knew about it as a >> surveyor. There was ample opportunity in Wayne County early on, but by >> the time Logan reached his majority, the land was mostly all claimed >> due to military grants from the Revolution and headrights grants. I >> had wondered about why Logan left and just never connected it until I >> saw his father served in the War of 1812 (here's a roster of Wayne >> county men who fought in that war, Buttram/Bertram among them: >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kywayne/warof1812.html) and would >> have received bounty land for his service, but neither James Sr. nor >> his other sons left Wayne County, only James Jr. So it hit me between >> the eyes while thinking about the answer for you he was probably among >> those who exited south then westward to claim bounty land in Missouri. >> I haven't found a military warrant for Logan's land in MO, but he >> might have claimed one in TN on a warrant transferred to him by his >> father. Likewise, he may have lived on land registered by his >> grandfather - Joshua was a surveyor for a time for NC and he assisted >> in finding bounty land in TN for revolutionary veterans in the TN >> Military District. Surveyors were paid in rights - land - in the area >> and Joshua likely had a good deal of TN land because he surveyed a >> great deal of it and his land in Wayne County 400 acres on Elk creek >> was surveyed and registered as part of his rights. Interestingly it >> is this Jones line we were told all my life was part Cherokee, then my >> Grandma told us about 5 years before her death no, it was part Arapaho >> and part Blackfoot. I don't believe that last at all, and only a slim >> glimmer on the Cherokee. No evidence I can find at all. >> >> Send me the other names off list and I'll see what I have on them and >> maybe we can connect the dots. Do you have access to Heritage Quest? >> If so, my distant cousin Augusta Phillips wrote an interesting history >> of Wayne County in the 1930s and it includes many, many biographical >> notes. Interestingly, Mark Twain had connections to Wayne County. >> His uncle, married one of my great aunts. All kinds of interesting >> connections in this one little county! >> >> Susan

Earleene, can you re-ask your question as there's a lot of spelling errors & I'm curious about the book by June ?? that you mention. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > did you reas june borks bppks from wayne co ky

what is mixed up? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > you have several families mixed up you do not have my family, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > > >> Hello, Earleene! >> >> This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad >> information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she >> would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no >> more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the >> family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother >> as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague >> Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the >> way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of >> which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. >> Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to >> Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother >> married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist >> husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after >> Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to >> children in those earlier generations, largely because there is >> absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed >> together. >> >> There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. >> The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. >> That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but >> the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no >> special place of precedence because of their father's position. >> >> The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that >> has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in >> Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had >> a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid >> 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it >> is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter >> did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later >> Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia >> Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The >> index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would >> like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it >> IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. >> >> Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. >> Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but >> none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and >> none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married >> Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle >> Shoals, AL. >> >> Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first >> child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there >> would be a chance, but not TWO! >> >> Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins >> (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in >> Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might >> have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the >> year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become >> a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of >> Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In >> time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, >> Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two >> ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done >> their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it >> was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. >> >> I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify >> that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I >> know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on >> that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in >> Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that >> leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if >> any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of >> the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed >> Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia >> households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a >> start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and >> Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines >> moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed >> heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early >> years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and >> status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable >> to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds >> were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies >> poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my >> feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was >> illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an >> indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. >> In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, >> it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half >> Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers >> so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while >> those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, >> Portuguese, and so on. >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel >>> and >>> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >>> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >>> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >>> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >>> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >>> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >>> >>> Rude people will be moderated asap! >>> List archive >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >>> Dual admin. >>> Dan and Joyce >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is >> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dan This was not intended to be sent to you . My grandson sent this to a woman on Facebooks, Farmville as a gift. It was sent to her Facebook e-mail. How it got to your site is unknown by me. If you can explain it I would appreciate the answer. He was trying to send her a gift back. She had told him what to do and I was watching and saw nothing wrong with what he did. It did not give your e-mail or site. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "izzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] (no subject) > > https://s-platform.ak.fbcdn.net/www/app_full_proxy.php?app=102452128776&v=1&size=z&cksum=e339eadf779c11e886cf0c2252775a26&src=http%3A%2F%2Fzynga2-a.akamaihd.net%2Ffarmville%2Fassets%2Fhashed%2Fassets%2Ftrees%2F27eebd53790324c38b3d402a98b8bd20.png > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Nope, sure didn't Wanda. I looked to see if it was legit or not....they lean toward being legit but I can't say for sure. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Wanda Pezzaglia Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 3:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association Joyce: did you ever find any more information on this group? wanda --- On Thu, 8/30/12, Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 2:40 PM In the 1890’s when many of the mixed blood Cherokee and descendents were trying to regain citizenship in the tribe there was a man (or men) who formed “The Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association, Afton Indian Territory. This ‘association’ handed out official looking certificates which some people used to gain citizenship and apply for the Dawes/Miller payments. I’ve done an internet search on this and find next to nothing that tells me if this was a ligitimate organization/office or was it someone pulling a boondoggle? Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Spam Alli, someone's had their address filched Joyce Reece

Joyce: did you ever find any more information on this group?   wanda   --- On Thu, 8/30/12, Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> wrote: From: Joyce Gaston Reece <[email protected]> Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 2:40 PM In the 1890’s when many of the mixed blood Cherokee and descendents were trying to regain citizenship in the tribe there was a man (or men) who formed “The Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association,  Afton Indian Territory. This ‘association’ handed out official looking certificates which some people used to gain citizenship and apply for the Dawes/Miller payments. I’ve done an internet search on this and find next to nothing that tells me if this was a ligitimate organization/office or was it someone pulling a boondoggle?  Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

yeah that's what i figured..... :) Alli :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] (no subject) > Spam Alli, someone's had their address filched > > Joyce Reece > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

what is this huge link for/about? ----- Original Message ----- From: "izzie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 5:50 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] (no subject) > > https://s-platform.ak.fbcdn.net/www/app_full_proxy.php?app=102452128776&v=1&size=z&cksum=e339eadf779c11e886cf0c2252775a26&src=http%3A%2F%2Fzynga2-a.akamaihd.net%2Ffarmville%2Fassets%2Fhashed%2Fassets%2Ftrees%2F27eebd53790324c38b3d402a98b8bd20.png > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Joyce My Elder is in charge of the Dawes rolls for the Cherokee Nation. Right now we are working on another project. I will ask him in a few days. Remind me if I forget. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce Gaston Reece<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association In the 1890’s when many of the mixed blood Cherokee and descendents were trying to regain citizenship in the tribe there was a man (or men) who formed “The Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association, Afton Indian Territory. This ‘association’ handed out official looking certificates which some people used to gain citizenship and apply for the Dawes/Miller payments. I’ve done an internet search on this and find next to nothing that tells me if this was a ligitimate organization/office or was it someone pulling a boondoggle? Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene<http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene> Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the 1890’s when many of the mixed blood Cherokee and descendents were trying to regain citizenship in the tribe there was a man (or men) who formed “The Cherokee Indian Citizenship Association, Afton Indian Territory. This ‘association’ handed out official looking certificates which some people used to gain citizenship and apply for the Dawes/Miller payments. I’ve done an internet search on this and find next to nothing that tells me if this was a ligitimate organization/office or was it someone pulling a boondoggle? Joyce Gaston Reece

Wanda, Your link didn't work at first. It should be: http://www.nps.gov/trte/historyculture/georgia.htm       (no http at the end) Brian Milligan  ________________________________ From: Wanda Pezzaglia <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:39 AM Subject: [CherokeeGene] Good site regarding Cherokee history http://www.nps.gov/trte/historyculture/georgia.htmhttp Found  this site while looking for John Fields.  Scroll down to the Trail of Tears and click into the link.  I found it to be very very good.  wanda   =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.nps.gov/trte/historyculture/georgia.htmhttp Found  this site while looking for John Fields.  Scroll down to the Trail of Tears and click into the link.  I found it to be very very good.  wanda  

Cherokee Tragedy by Thurman Wilkins on page 256 mentions a "John Fields". Evidently John was in a fight at Lavender's store and was nearly "carved into pieces."  Does any one have any more information as to what happened to this John Fields?  Did he live/die??    wanda  late

Thank you Susan for the information. I do have the applications although sometimes they are not real clear. Someone remarked to me that they were Shawnee. I have a picture of Matilda, high cheekbones, looks native. Just wondered if there was more information out their. Matilda Vianna SANDUSKY SMITH mother was Mary Sloane Funderburk b-1811 Davidson County, Tennessee. Mary Sloane Funderburk mother was Mary Hannah Edde. Very little proof other than these applications. Kathryn In a message dated 7/29/2012 9:42:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have these applications and they all claim through Mary Sandusky nee Funderburk. They were all rejected because no connection with Cherokee Nation was demonstrated with no one on any roll. Interestingly every one of them claims their Indian name is Mary Funderburk - even Leroy - and their mother is also Mary Funderburk even though she is Matilda or Mary Elizabeth. In Matilda's application she was asked why neither her parents or grandparents were never enrolled said the family had only just found out about the payment to "relations" of the tribe. The information about the commission likely came from Priscilla who was the only one living in the IT. Mary Eveline's number was 45260 and her sister Keziah's 45261. Even though Keziah was married to a Blevins from Wayne, he did not appear to have applied. John Chambers Blevins looks like he is probably also the grandson of the Jonathan Blevins of Earleene's post, although I cannot verify that at the moment. I can send you copies of the applications, but it will be tomorrow night before I can convert them to PDFs. I did not download Maary Eveline Hurt's shildren's applications or check to see if there were any others for the other folks, but I can do that tomorrow, if you like. Happy time travels! Susan On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 7:55 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > John Chambers "Fox" Blevins married Kiziah Shoemaker Smith 03 July 1902, > Wayne County, Kentucky. > > These Eastern Cherokee applications belong to the family of Kiziah > Shoemaker Smith that lived in Mt. Pisgah, Wayne County, Kentucky. > > 45240 Matilda Vianna SANDUSKY SMITH > 45262 Laura Isabelle SMITH ANDERSON > 45263 Leroy Huston SMITH > 45288 Mary Elizabeth BURNETT DAVIS > 45399 Priscilla DAVIS MILLER > > 45860 Mary Eveline SANDUSKY HURT > > Anyone know of any additional information on this family? > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message