Elizabeth Ridgeway's mother could have been Susannah Ellis --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Kathy Burns <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kathy Burns <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 7:04 PM Not sure if I have found what you are looking for but on pg 284 it has Elizabeth Ridgeway and pg. 221 next to it.On Pg 221 it has the followingJahlon (son of Simeon and Mary, of Evesham) and Elizabeth Ridgeway (daughter of Jacob and Susannah) Upper Penns Neck 2-29-1801 I believe this is what is printed. It is hard to see the first name and the date on that page.KathleenIf you need any more on this let me know. --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> wrote: From: Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:12 PM Hello Everyone I sent this before but it did not get through for some reason, I hope it will this time! I am trying to find someone with a subscription to WorldVitalRecords who can Sign in & go to the URL below, copy it and send it to me, Please I do not have a subscription and cannot afford one, after monthly bills are paid my wife & I are living for the month on $140.00 to buy food, Buy Gas for the Car Plus Co-pay on any meds needed for the month. If it were not for Dent & Bent & Out-of-Date Food items, I would not be writing this email to you because my wife & I would already be dead! I have been looking for this for a long time, I had a lot of other documentation to tie my lines together. This is the Stake for my Plate! Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter until we talk again, Peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBartheld - in Alabama [email protected]  URL BELOW http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/SingleIndexIndView.aspx?ix=Salem_NJ_Marriag e&hpp=1&rf=*,z*&qt=i&zpage=284&highlight=Elizabeth%2cRidgeway%2c1943%2c10  PS: The State of New Jersey says: I need among other things: I need the Date of the Marriage, Where was it preformed, Etc. If I knew all of that I would already have a copy of the Marriage Record! I just need a copy of what it has on that page 284. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok I think I have it for you now.Mahlon Haines born 1781 New Jerseymarried 29 Feb 1804 Pilesgrove, Salem Co. , NJfather Simeon Haines mother Mary Strattonwife Elizabeth Ridgeway born 1785father Jacob Ridgewaymother Susannah ? --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Kathy Burns <[email protected]> wrote: From: Kathy Burns <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 7:04 PM Not sure if I have found what you are looking for but on pg 284 it has Elizabeth Ridgeway and pg. 221 next to it.On Pg 221 it has the followingJahlon (son of Simeon and Mary, of Evesham) and Elizabeth Ridgeway (daughter of Jacob and Susannah) Upper Penns Neck 2-29-1801 I believe this is what is printed. It is hard to see the first name and the date on that page.KathleenIf you need any more on this let me know. --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> wrote: From: Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:12 PM Hello Everyone I sent this before but it did not get through for some reason, I hope it will this time! I am trying to find someone with a subscription to WorldVitalRecords who can Sign in & go to the URL below, copy it and send it to me, Please I do not have a subscription and cannot afford one, after monthly bills are paid my wife & I are living for the month on $140.00 to buy food, Buy Gas for the Car Plus Co-pay on any meds needed for the month. If it were not for Dent & Bent & Out-of-Date Food items, I would not be writing this email to you because my wife & I would already be dead! I have been looking for this for a long time, I had a lot of other documentation to tie my lines together. This is the Stake for my Plate! Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter until we talk again, Peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBartheld - in Alabama [email protected]  URL BELOW http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/SingleIndexIndView.aspx?ix=Salem_NJ_Marriag e&hpp=1&rf=*,z*&qt=i&zpage=284&highlight=Elizabeth%2cRidgeway%2c1943%2c10  PS: The State of New Jersey says: I need among other things: I need the Date of the Marriage, Where was it preformed, Etc. If I knew all of that I would already have a copy of the Marriage Record! I just need a copy of what it has on that page 284. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure if I have found what you are looking for but on pg 284 it has Elizabeth Ridgeway and pg. 221 next to it.On Pg 221 it has the followingJahlon (son of Simeon and Mary, of Evesham) and Elizabeth Ridgeway (daughter of Jacob and Susannah) Upper Penns Neck 2-29-1801 I believe this is what is printed. It is hard to see the first name and the date on that page.KathleenIf you need any more on this let me know. --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> wrote: From: Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:12 PM Hello Everyone I sent this before but it did not get through for some reason, I hope it will this time! I am trying to find someone with a subscription to WorldVitalRecords who can Sign in & go to the URL below, copy it and send it to me, Please I do not have a subscription and cannot afford one, after monthly bills are paid my wife & I are living for the month on $140.00 to buy food, Buy Gas for the Car Plus Co-pay on any meds needed for the month. If it were not for Dent & Bent & Out-of-Date Food items, I would not be writing this email to you because my wife & I would already be dead! I have been looking for this for a long time, I had a lot of other documentation to tie my lines together. This is the Stake for my Plate! Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter until we talk again, Peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBartheld - in Alabama [email protected]  URL BELOW http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/SingleIndexIndView.aspx?ix=Salem_NJ_Marriag e&hpp=1&rf=*,z*&qt=i&zpage=284&highlight=Elizabeth%2cRidgeway%2c1943%2c10  PS: The State of New Jersey says: I need among other things: I need the Date of the Marriage, Where was it preformed, Etc. If I knew all of that I would already have a copy of the Marriage Record! I just need a copy of what it has on that page 284. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everyone I sent this before but it did not get through for some reason, I hope it will this time! I am trying to find someone with a subscription to WorldVitalRecords who can Sign in & go to the URL below, copy it and send it to me, Please I do not have a subscription and cannot afford one, after monthly bills are paid my wife & I are living for the month on $140.00 to buy food, Buy Gas for the Car Plus Co-pay on any meds needed for the month. If it were not for Dent & Bent & Out-of-Date Food items, I would not be writing this email to you because my wife & I would already be dead! I have been looking for this for a long time, I had a lot of other documentation to tie my lines together. This is the Stake for my Plate! Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter until we talk again, Peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBartheld - in Alabama [email protected] URL BELOW http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/SingleIndexIndView.aspx?ix=Salem_NJ_Marriag e&hpp=1&rf=*,z*&qt=i&zpage=284&highlight=Elizabeth%2cRidgeway%2c1943%2c10 PS: The State of New Jersey says: I need among other things: I need the Date of the Marriage, Where was it preformed, Etc. If I knew all of that I would already have a copy of the Marriage Record! I just need a copy of what it has on that page 284.

I have tried the link but it says it is unavailable. Can you give me something else?Kathleen --- On Thu, 11/8/12, Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> wrote: From: Theodore R VonBartheld <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] 08 Nov 2012 - Need Help with a Link ( A URL listed below ) for someone that can log-in to WorldVitalRecords ) Please To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, November 8, 2012, 4:12 PM Hello Everyone I sent this before but it did not get through for some reason, I hope it will this time! I am trying to find someone with a subscription to WorldVitalRecords who can Sign in & go to the URL below, copy it and send it to me, Please I do not have a subscription and cannot afford one, after monthly bills are paid my wife & I are living for the month on $140.00 to buy food, Buy Gas for the Car Plus Co-pay on any meds needed for the month. If it were not for Dent & Bent & Out-of-Date Food items, I would not be writing this email to you because my wife & I would already be dead! I have been looking for this for a long time, I had a lot of other documentation to tie my lines together. This is the Stake for my Plate! Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter until we talk again, Peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBartheld - in Alabama [email protected]  URL BELOW http://www.worldvitalrecords.com/SingleIndexIndView.aspx?ix=Salem_NJ_Marriag e&hpp=1&rf=*,z*&qt=i&zpage=284&highlight=Elizabeth%2cRidgeway%2c1943%2c10  PS: The State of New Jersey says: I need among other things: I need the Date of the Marriage, Where was it preformed, Etc. If I knew all of that I would already have a copy of the Marriage Record! I just need a copy of what it has on that page 284. =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnefoy – The next day we got together again and I began to ask him where he had learned French, which he spoke quiet fluently. He told me that, being of good family, he had been instructed in all that a man ought to know; that after having completed his studies, he had learned English and French; that he spoke these two languages with a little difficulty as far as pronunciation was concerned, but that he wrote German, Latin, English and French with equal correctness; that for twenty years he had been working to put into execution the plan about which he had talked to us; that seven or eight years before he had been obliged to flee from his country, where they wished to arrest him for having desired to put his project into execution; that he had gone over to England, and from there to Carolina, and had also been obliged to depart thence for the same reason, 18 months after having arrived there; that having found among the Cherakis a sure refuge he had been working there for four years upon the establishment which he had been planning for twenty; that the Governor of Carolina having discovered the place of his refuge had sent a commissioner to demand him of the savages there, but that then he was adopted into the nation, and that the savages, rejecting the presents of the English, had refused to give him up; that he had 100 English traders belonging to his society who had just set out for Carolina, whence they were to return the next autumn, after having got together a considerable number of recruits, men and women, of all conditions and occupations, and the things necessary for laying the first foundations of his republic, under the name of the Kingdom of Paradise; that then he would buy us from the savages, of whom a large number were already instructed in the form of his republic and determined to join it; that the nation in general urged him to establish himself upon their lands, but that he was determined to locate himself half way between them and the Alibamons, where the lands appeared to him of better quality than those of the Cherakis. [i][8] Grant – I sometime after went up into the Townhouse with a Resolution to try what could be done, but I found that he was well apprized of my design and laughed at me, desiring me to try it, in so insolent a manner that I could hardly bear with it, and I told him although I knew the Indians would not permit me to Carry him down to be hanged, Yet they would not find fault I hoped if I should throw him into the Fire, which I certainly would do if he gave me any further Provocation.[ii][9] Bonnefoy – My comrades and I planned our flight, and agreed together to feign enthusiasm for the execution of the project of Pierre Albert, who had the confidence of the savages, and they left us at liberty with him. I noticed even, on different occasions, that he urged them to live peaceably and to ask peace from the French. The savage with whom I lived, who was one of the principal men of the nation and the other chiefs, sometimes asked me in what manner they could appease the French and bring them to their place to trade. I told them that it would be necessary for them to send a calumet of peace to the nearest post; that I supposed that would be the post of the Alibamons. They told me that they had already been there, but that they feared the savages of those regions, with whom they were not on good terms; that they did not wish to have any new war. . . . While Pierre Albert and I were working toward peace the three English traders were daily instigating the savages to continue to make war upon us. They were themselves working to enlist parties; which I saw them doing some days before my flight. After having their drum beaten by one of their negroes who was a drummer, and enlisted 70 men, they distributed among them, from their storehouses, the munitions necessary for going to the Outamons, as well as against the voyageurs of Canada. Of the 52 villages which compose the nation of the Cherakis, only the eight which are along the river are our enemies. The other villages remain neutral, whither because of their remoteness or their spirit of peace. Carolina is 15 days’ journey by land from the village where I was, Virginia 20, and the Alibamonts 10 to the south. . . . The 29th of April a day on which the savages had given themselves up to a debauch, was that which we chose for our escape. We had got together a sufficient amount of ammunition. We went out from the village at nine o’clock in the evening. Jean Arlas had his gun. Coussot was not armed, not having been able to take his from the cabin where he was. Guillaume Potier, who was in our plot, having got drunk with the savages, was not in condition to go with us and we could not wait longer for him without risk of being discovered. We marched until daylight, going to find two pirogues that were in a little river six leagues from the village. In one of these we embarked . . . [iii][10] Adair – Having thus infected them by his smooth deluding art, he easily formed them in a nominal republican government - crowned their old Archi-magus, emperor, after a pleasing new savage form, and invented a variety of high-sounding titles for all the members of his imperial majesty’s red court, and the great officers of state; which the emperor confered upon them, in a manner according to their merit. He himself received the honourable title of his imperial majesty’s principle secretary of state, and as such he subscribed himself, in all the letters he wrote to our government, and lived in open defiance of them. This seemed to be of so dangerous a tendency, as to induce South Carolina to send up a commissioner, Col. F-x, to demand him as an enemy to the public repose - who took him into custody, in the great square of their statehouse: when he had almost concluded his oration on the occasion, one of the head warriors rose up, and bade him forbear, as the man he entended to enslave, was made a great man, and become one of their own people.[iv][11] Grant – I was then deeply Engaged in Trade and saw the great ill conveniency of my Intermeddling any more in this matter upon which I wrote to the Government and represented to them the difficulty of doing it and that I was obliged for the reason above to decline it. Soon after which Coll: Fox was sent up on the same service with several persons to attend and assist him, and, having endeavoured by several letters & to decoy and draw him out of Town, but all in Vain He at Length laid hold of him in the Townhouse, for which he liked to have suffered. The Indians took it very much amiss and told him that the Country was their own and they might do what they thought proper, that they might receive any person and give him Protection, and would permit none others to force him away that whoever attempted it deserved punishment, But as this was the first fault of that kind it should be forgiven. Wishing him to get out of their Country directly.[v][12] Adair – An old war-leader . . . bade him to inform his superiors, that the Cheerake were as desirous as the English to continue a friendly union with each other, as “freemen and equals”. That they hoped to receive no farther uneasiness from them, for consulting their own interest, as their reason dictated.—And they earnestly requested them to send no more of those bad papers to their country on any account; nor to reckon them so base, as to allow any of their honest friends to be taken out of their arms, and carried into slavery. The English beloved man had the honour of receiving his leave of absence, and a sufficient passport of safe conduct, from the imperial red court, by a verbal order of the secretary of state, --who was so polite as to wish him well home, and ordered a convoy of his own life-guards, who conducted him a considerable way, and he got home safely.[vi][13] South Carolina Gazette, August 15, 1743 The Creek Indians have at last brought Mr. Priber prisoner here; he is a little ugly man, but speaks all languages fluently . . . he talks very prophanely against all religions, but chiefly the Protestant; he was for setting up a town at the foot of the mountains among the Cherokees, which was to be a city of refuge for all criminals, debtors, and slaves. . . . There was a book found upon him in his own writing ready for the press, which he owns and glories in and believes it is by this time printed but will not tell where, in which . . . he lays down the rules of government which the town is to be governed by, to which he gives the title of Paradise. He enumrates many whimsical privileges and natural rights . . . particulary dissolving marriages and allowing community of women and all kinds of licenciousness; the book is drawn up very methodically, and full of learned quotations; it is extremely wicked, yet has several flights full of invention, and it is a pity so much wit is applied to so bad a purpose. Adair – In the fifth year of that red imperial era, he set off for Mobille, accompanied by a few Cheerake. He proceeded by land, as far as a navigable part of the western great river of the Muskohge; there he went into a canoe prepared for the joyful occasion, and proceeded within a day’s journey of Alebahma garrison – conjecturing the adjacent towns were under the influence of the French, he landed at Tallapoose town, and lodged there all night. The traders of the neighbouring towns soon went there, convinced the inhabitants of the dangerous tendency of his unwearied labours among the Cheerake, and of his present journey, and then took him into custody, with a large bundle of manuscripts, and sent him down to Frederica in Georgia; the governor committed him to a place of confinement, though not with common felons, as he was a foreigner, and was said to have held a place of considerable rank in the army with great honour. Soon after, the magazine took fire, which was not far from where he was confined, and though the centinels bade him make off to a place of safety, as all the people were running to avoid danger from the explosion of the powder and shells, yet he squatted on his belly upon the floor, and continued in that position without the least hurt: several blamed his rashness, but he told them, that experience had convinced him, it was the most probable means to avoid imminent danger. This incident displayed the philosopher and soldier, and after bearing his misfortunes a considerable time with great constancy, happily for us, he died in confinement. . . . it is not to be doubted, that as he wrote a Cheerake dictionary, designed to be published in Paris, he likewise set down a great deal that would have been acceptable to the curious, and servicable to the representatives of South Carolina and Georgia; which may be readily found in Frederica, if the manuscripts have had the good fortune to escape the despoiling hands of military power. When the western Cherake towns lost the chief support of their imperial court, they artfully agreed to inform the English traders, that each of them had opened their eyes, and rejected the French plan as a wild scheme, inconsistent with their interest; except great Telliko, the metropolis of their late empire, which they said was firmly resolved to adhere to the French proposals, as the surest means of promoting their welfare and happiness. [vii][14] [i][8] Williams, Early Travels in the Tennessee Country, 1540-1800, 155-6. [ii][9] Grant, "Historical Relation of Facts Delivered by," 60. [iii][10] Williams, Early Travels in the Tennessee Country, 1540-1800, 157-9. [iv][11] Adair, Adair's History of the American Indians, 254-5. [v][12] Grant, "Historical Relation of Facts Delivered by," 60-1. [vi][13] Adair, Adair's History of the American Indians, 255-6. [vii][14] Adair, Adair's History of the American Indians, 256-7. Joyce Gaston Reece

Anyone who's been on these lists with me for any amount of time may have noticed that I am a huge fan of the appalachian summitt web site. I have, over time, copied and printed the whole 500+ pages of it and have it in my library. The following will be in two emails and will address Christian Priber. Kingdom of Paradise Christian Priber, a French speaking German who claimed to be a Jesuit priest, lived among the Cherokees for four years during which time he attempted to establish a socialists society. William Stephens – Lieutenant Kent, in his Way home, meeting with a Letter sent to him out of the Cherokee Nation . . . It came to us this Morning, and was from Lodowick Grant, a Trader in that Nation; who wrote him that there were eighty of those People lately marched out in two Parties, on what Design, at first not known; but it proved to be against the French, whom they attacked as they were coming up the River to Terriqua, in three Perriaguas, two of which they plundered and destroyed. What the consequnece may be we do not know, but think it forebodes no Ill to the English. Copies of two Letters out of the Cherokees from Traders living among them, imparting that the Nation were fallen out with the French and waylaying the Banks of the River which the French frequently traded on with their Pettyaguas; they had surprised and killed a considerable number of them, and destroyed several of their Vessels, after plundering them of their Cargoes, which consisted of Aboundance of valuable Goods imported from Europe; such as the finest Broad-Cloth, Silks, &c. intended for the French Settlements near the Mississipi: But while the Cherokees were busy with this Spoil, the Creek Nation came on the Backs of them Southward, and made War upon them, killing and carrying away Prisoners, divers (the Number uncertain;) so that the Cherokees have now Enemies to deal with on both Sides; and as they expect the French to come upon them in the Spring for Revenge, they are now seeking assistance from the English, to repel them. [i][2] Antoine Bonnefoy - The convoy destined for the Illinois, composed of three bateaux and . . . pirogues, of the year 1741, was commanded by Sieur De Villers, officer. The enrolment, including officers and traders, of this convoy was 28 men in each bateau and eight or nine in each of the pirogues. This convoy set out from New Orleans the 22nd of August 1741. The pirogue in which I was followed the convoy till within sight of the River Ouabache, where we arrived the 14th of November, at evening, and passed the night at that place. On the 15th the convoy set out again as usual at day-break, and our boat went in its usual order until seven o’clock, when the commander caused the bateaux to cross the river and signaled to follow him. The Sieur Marin, voyageur, whose pirogue was in front of us, asked Legras. . . if he were not in favor of continuing on our course without crossing the river. Unwisely, being agreed, we continued on our route in company. An hour after having left the bateaux, we perceived at the entrance to a little bayou, a quarter of a mile from the mouth of the Wabash, a number of pirogues tired to the shore. We examined their appearance and took them for Illinois and Missouris. The savages from these pirogues, who were on the land and of whom we did not perceive a single one, had disembarked 20 fathoms above the boats. The pirogue of Sieur Marin, which we had formerly followed, was at this time behind ours. There were eight men of us in each. Under these circumstances, and under the impression the savages were Illinois or Missouris, we came around the bayou and the boats, up to the place of ambush, where the first discharge of the muskets from the savages instantly killed our skipper and two of our oarsmen, and wounded two men in the other boat, which, being behind, had time to make off and was saved. The savages directed so heavy a fire upon the boat that we were obliged to lie down flat, to escape certain death. Immediately 20 of these savages got into their boats to hasten after the pirogue of the Sieur Marin, who escaped from them. A moment afterward, these same pirogues came and surrounded us. The shore was lined with other savages, who were aiming at us. The surprise, and the death of our skipper and of two of our oarsmen, having put us out of direction to defend ourselves, we surrendered at discretion, to the number of four Frenchmen and one negro, and were seized, each by one of the savages, who made him his slave. Brought to the land we were tied separately, each with a slaves collar around the neck and the arms merely, without however depriving us of freedom to eat and to pergailler when we were ordered to do so. This action took place in sight of the bateaux, which had become distant only to the extent of the breath of the river. The commander contented himself with hoisting his flag on his bateaux, without giving us any aid. The savages who had taken possession of us proved to be Cherakis instead of Chicachas as we had thought at the time of firing. The convoy entertained the same opinion, following the information given them at New Orleans. When we had been bound with these collars the savages, having found in our boat what had been intended for our breakfast, brought it to us to eat, and gave us to understand by signs that no harm should come to us, and that we should be even as themselves. They then unloaded our boat, and distributed the goods equally among the 80 men of the party, with the exception of the iron and three kegs of rum, which they left in the boat, having filled all their kettles and even three barrels in which the powder had been – after having divided up the latter. I observed that these savages were careful not to spoil the goods they could not take away. They passed the day of the 15th in packing their merchandise, till night, when they embarked in 22 boats , with two, three, four or five men in each according to its size. My companions in misfortune, and I, followed our masters, bound in the manner I have described. The party took us its course, paddling without making the least noise, along the river Ouabache till six o’clock the next morning, then rested about two hours, during which time they broiled some meat they had found in our pirogue when we were captured. They gave us (as they always did) a portion equal to theirs, after which they resumed their paddles, and gave us each one, after having made us each drink, as with the first meal, the evening before, a cup of rum. I bathed a wound I had received in the knee, from a musket-shot in the first discharge; after which I was not further troubled by it. It was not so with the negro, whose wounds began from that day to become worse. We embarked again and continued down the Ouabache to the River of the Cherakis, which leads up to the villages of those savages and falls into the former river thirteen leagues from its junction with the River St. Louis or Missipi. When evening had come the savages landed at the mouth of the river, and passed the night there, and made stocks to keep us in safety. In these my three comrades were set. . . . The savage to whom I belonged did not wish that I should be put in the stocks. The next day we entered into the river, which they did not leave till the third of February, marching and hunting on alternate days, till we were four days by land from their first village. The 20th of December my savage took off my slave’s collar. Rivard and Potier kept theirs a fortnight, and Coussot a month. They were not put in the stocks except for the first four days, and then only during the night. At the beginning of January we were adopted by men of prominence in the party. I was adopted as brother by a savage who bought me of my master, which he did by promising him a quantity of merchandise, and giving me what at that time I needed, such as bed-coverings, shirts, and mittens, and from that time I had the same treatment as himself. My companions were adopted by other savages, either as nephews or as cousins, and treated in the same manner by their liberators and all their families. The same day on which my collar was taken off, the negro, whose wounds had grown worse, was set at liberty and the head man of the party told him to return to the French, but not knowing where to go, he followed the pirouges for two days. On the third, which was the 23rd of December, the savages, tired of seeing him, gave him over to the young people, who killed him and took his scalp. On January 10 or 11 our party met a troop of savages, Chicachas. They, recognizing each other as friends, negotiated, and made several exchanges of merchandise and slaves, smoked together, and prepared to continue their routes as we had begun. In the course of this river, which I estimated as 450 leagues from the Ouabache to the first village of our savages, there are three waterfalls. The first is situated about half way up. The portage is about one-quarter of a league. The second is eight days’ journey further up. The portage amounts to a good league. At this place the river is two leagues broad, and rolls its waters like a cascade, a league long, in the shape of a hill, like that of the portage which we were obliged to make. The third, at which we arrived on the first of February, has a portage of only about 100 paces. The river at this place is extremely rapid, and generally is so, more and more, from this uppermost fall to the place where we left it, February 3, to make the rest of our journey by land. The savage who had adopted me gave me, before setting out upon the march, a gun, some powder, and some bullets. The pirogues having been unloaded, each savage carried, as well as ourselves, a pack of booty. We immediately set out on the march, and on the seventh arrived in sight of the first village, which was called Chateauke and Talekoa, which are two different councils, though the cabins are mingled together indistinguishably. At the first sight of our savages, all the men ran out to the place where they then were, for the ceremony customary among this nation. Our clothes were taken off, and a stock make for each of us, without, however, putting us in it; they merely put on us our slaves-collar. Then the savages, putting in each ones’ hand a white stick and a rattle, told us that we must sing, which we did for the space of more than three hours, at different times, singing both French and Indian songs, after which they gave us to eat of all that the women had brought from the village, bread of different sorts, sagamite (corn porridge), buffalo meat, bear meat, rabbit, sweet potatoes, and graumons. We passed the night at this place. The next day February 8, in the morning, the savages having matache’ themselves according to their custom, matacherent our whole bodies, having left us nothing but breeches, made the entry into their village in the order of a troop of infantry, marching four in each rank, half of them in front of us, who were placed two and two after being tied together, and having our collars dragging. . . . They made us march in this order, singing and having a white stick and rattle in our hands, to the chief square of the village and march three or four times around a great tree which is in the middle of that place. Then they buried at the foot of the tree a parcel of hair from each one of us, which the savages had preserved for that purpose from the time when they cut our hair off. After this march was finished they brought us into the council-house, where we were each obliged to sing four songs. Then the savages who had adopted us came and took our collars off. I followed my adopted brother who, on entering into his cabin, washed me, then after he had told me that the way was free before me, I ate with him, and there I remained two months, dressed and treated like himself, without other occupation than to go hunting twice with him. We were absent thirteen days the first time and nine days the last. At the time when we arrived in the village there were three English traders there, who each had a store-house in the village where I was, and two servants of theirs. There was also a German, who said in French that he was very sorry for the misfortune which had come upon us, but that it would perhaps prove to be our happiness, which he proposed to show us in the sequel.[ii][3] Ludovick Grant - one Pryber who Called himself a German but was certainly an Agent for the French. He went up from Amelia Township to the Cherokee Nation, and lived in the Town of Telliquo, and being a great Scholar he soon made himself master of their Tongue, and by his insinuating manner Indeavoured to gain their hearts, he trimmed his hair in the Indian manner & painted as they did, going generally, almost naked, except a shirt & Flap, he told these people that they had been strangely deluded, that they had been tricked out of a great part of their Land by the English, That for the future they should make no concessions to them of any kind but should profess an equal regard for bothe the French and the English, and should trade with both upon the same footing, which would be their greatest security for they would then be courted & carressed & receive presents from both.[iii][4] James Adair – In the year 1736, the French sent into South-Carolina, one Priber, a gentleman of a curious and speculative temper. He was to transmit them a full account of that country, and proceed to the Cheerake nation, in order to seduce them from the British to the French interest. He went, and though he was adorned with every qualification that constitutes the gentleman, soon after he arrived at the upper towns of this mountainous country, he exchanged his clothes and every thing he brought with him, and by that means, made friends with the head warriors of great Telliko, which stood on a branch of the Mississippi. More effectually to answer the design of his commission, he ate, drank, slept, dressed, danced, and painted himself with the Indians, so that it was not easy to distinguish him from the natives, -- he married also with them, and being endued with a strong understanding and retentive memory, he soon learned their dialect, and by gradual advances, impressed them with a very ill opinion of the English, representing them as a fraudulent, avaritious, and encroaching people: he at the same time, inflated the artless savages, with a prodigious high opinion of their own importance.[iv][5] Bonnefoy – I had occasion to ask the German, who was called Pierre Albert, who had accosted us on the day of our arrival, and who was lodging in the cabin of my adopted brother, what he wished me to understand. I prayed him to explain to me what was this alleged happiness he promised us. Guillaume Potier and Jean Arlut were present. He replied that it would take time to explain to us what he had to say to us, addressing himself to all three; that he thought we ought to join his society; that he would admit us to an establishment, in France, of a republic, for which he had been working for twenty years; that the form of the government should be that of a general society of those composing it, in which, beyond the fact that legality should be perfectly observed, as well as liberty, each would find what he needed, whether for subsistence, or the other needs of life; that each should contribute to the good of the society, as he could. I told him, as did my comrades, that we were disposed to join him as soon as he should have shown us some security respecting his establishment.[v][6] Grant – He proposed to them a new System or plan of Government, that all things should be held in common amongst them, that even their Wives should be so, and the Children looked upon as the Children of the public and be taken care of as such & not by their natural parents, That they should move the chief seat of Government to a place nearer the ffrench called Coosawattee, where in ancient times a Town had stood belonging to the Cherokees, and that they shoul’d admit into their Society Creeks & Catawbas, French & English, all Colours and Complextions; in short, all who were of These principles, which were truly such as had no principles at all.[vi][7] [i][2] A.D. Candler, ed, Colonial Records of the State of Georgia (Atlanta: Franklin, 1904-16, 26 vols.; AMS Press, 1970), 81-2. [ii][3] Williams, Early Travels in the Tennessee Country, 1540-1800, 149-154. [iii][4] Grant, "Historical Relation of Facts Delivered by," 59. [iv][5] James Adair, Adair's History of the American Indians (New York: Johnson Reprint, 1969), 252-4. [v][6] Williams, Early Travels in the Tennessee Country, 1540-1800, 155. [vi][7] Grant, "Historical Relation of Facts Delivered by," 59. Joyce Gaston Reece

Susan I am sorry, I did not mean to post my private notes in the subject until I had sent the email out! Again I am sorry about that. Thank you -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Reynolds Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: 03 Nov 2012 - [CherokeeGene] MARRIAGE Look-up Please = Elizabeth Anna RIDGEWAY & Theodore R. Bartheld or vonBARTHELD, Year = 1945 Greetings! I have access to most of those and found your father's obit but nothing else, plus Ancestry. I also looked around for that book, but no luck. You might want to see if it s available through inter-library loan and ask your local library to have it sent in to you. Boo! Not fun! Susan

Hi Susan Thank you very much, every little bit helps. Again Thank you until we talk again, peace be with you and yours. Theodore R. VonBARTHELD - in Alabama (aka: RedThunder) ============================================================================ ============================================================================ = From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Reynolds Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: 03 Nov 2012 - HAS A LOT of MEMBERSHIPS - [CherokeeGene] MARRIAGE Look-up Please = Elizabeth Anna RIDGEWAY & Theodore R. Bartheld or vonBARTHELD, Year = 1945 Greetings! I have access to most of those and found your father's obit but nothing else, plus Ancestry. I also looked around for that book, but no luck. You might want to see if it s available through inter-library loan and ask your local library to have it sent in to you. Boo! Not fun! Susan

Greetings! I have access to most of those and found your father's obit but nothing else, plus Ancestry. I also looked around for that book, but no luck. You might want to see if it s available through inter-library loan and ask your local library to have it sent in to you. Boo! Not fun! Susan

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Hello Everyone I am still trying to find people that have Subscription Paid Membership's to any of the following sites, who would do some lookups for me please. I am starting a county by county search for any information on my parents they could have done it anywhere and anytime, not sure on that, just trying at this point! AS FOLLOWS: http://www.newspaperarchive.com http://www.worldvitalrecords.com http://www.archives.com http://www.evertons.com <http://www.evertonsgenealogical.com> <http://www.Records.com> http://www.Records.com Does anyone have access to this: Salem County, New Jersey Marriages. From the New Jersey Archives, Vol. XXII. I read that it has 2 Hits for my Mother and Father in this book Results 1 - 2 of 2 for Elizabeth Ridgeway (1933-1953) Page Content Hits 284 Ridgeway, Elizabeth, 221; Lizzie M., 2 My Father: Theodore Roosevelt vonBARTHELD (it may be listed as: BARTHELD) Born: 24 Jun 1912 in Wallington, New Jersey. My Mother: Elizabeth Anna RIDGEWAY, Born: 09 Apr 1927 in Clayton, New Jersey My Mother & My Father both married 3 Times ea. Again Thank you to anyone that can help me shade light on any of this, I have been looking for over 40 years for it and this is the closest I have gotten to it. Theodore R. VonBartheld [email protected]

joyce,my5th greatgrandmother ,elizabeth blevins steel troxell was married to jacob troxell,her 2nd husband, they were in dekalb co al & dade co ga, his first wife was cornblossom they had several children.elizabeth & jacob had one daughter liza troxell,her decendents are in dade co ga..i have a pic of their granddaughter jane., there is a petition for his rev war pension in marion co tn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Alli, As Susan and Joy can tell you there has long been a controversy > concerning the validity of the Doublehead, Cornblossom, Troxell family > genealogy. I am of the opinion that it’s a total farce. I won't attempt > to > speak for the others but do believe they agree. The Blevins family is > involved in the Troxell's. This may be where the confusion began. > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: Alli :) > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > > Ok now I'm confused LOL > > How can you say someone has families mixed up just because you didn't hear > this particular story? THere's no connection there. There's a lot of > things > I've heard about my ancestor's that wasn't around when i started or even > 1/2 > way LOL but it helps to learn new things (for me) & if i can prove them > wrong.....then its a feather in my cap so to speak LOL > > Alli :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > > >>I have never heard this story, i will look up mine.& get back to you >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 12:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage >> >> >>> what is mixed up? > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

no this is not mine. my sarah steel was born in wayne co ky 1811

thanks susan appreciate your effort, no they aren't mine as mine are from wayne co ky to deerhead cove dekalb al /dade co ga, it is on the state line ,al & ga. at foot of sand mt. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] steel > Hello, Earlene! > > I looked at the applications. Sarah Steel, application 44727 was born > 16 Sep 1883, daughter of Andrew J Yont and Eliza Harman. Robert Vann > Steele, application 1421, was borb 4 Dec 1845, son of William L. > Steele and Mary A. Vann. Both Sarah and Robert were residents of OK > at the time they applied. If you think either of these are yours I > can pull the applications for you. > > Happy time travels! > Susan > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> 1909 gunion miller roll for sarah steel and robert steel. please confirm >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Earlene! I looked at the applications. Sarah Steel, application 44727 was born 16 Sep 1883, daughter of Andrew J Yont and Eliza Harman. Robert Vann Steele, application 1421, was borb 4 Dec 1845, son of William L. Steele and Mary A. Vann. Both Sarah and Robert were residents of OK at the time they applied. If you think either of these are yours I can pull the applications for you. Happy time travels! Susan On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: > 1909 gunion miller roll for sarah steel and robert steel. please confirm > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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there is documentation that elizabeth blevins steel married jacob troxell after christian steel died ,elizabeth & christian had 4 children & elizabeth & jacob had one,their decendents live in dade co ga, also sarah steel married abraham tinker they are buried in my family cemetery in dade co ga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Reynolds" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] heritage > Hello, Earleene! > > This is one of those hard ones because there is an awful lot of bad > information out there about Sarah's alleged lineage. At most she > would have been 1/32, if I have counted right, maybe 1/16th but no > more than that. I am assuming you have probably seen some of the > family trees on the web that have her several times great grandmother > as Princess Cornblossom Doublehead or Cornblossom Chuqualatague > Doublehead Shawnee (married to Daniel Belvins)? This last name is the > way Don Greene shows lineage in his books on the Shawnee - all of > which are totally unsupported and unsourced - and not a name at all. > Chuqualatague was simply another name that was attributed to > Doublehead. Some of the trees have Sarah's mother or grandmother > married to Jacob "Big Jake" Troxell after the death of their fist > husband, others have Cornblossom married to Jake Troxell after > Daniel's death. All of them have a huge mess when it comes to > children in those earlier generations, largely because there is > absolutley ZERO documentation on them and multiple families are mixed > together. > > There are a few things in those trees that tip them off as incorrect. > The first is PRINCESS. There were no Native American princesses. > That was the Englishman's designation for the daughter of a chief, but > the daughters were not royalty, nor were the sons and they had no > special place of precedence because of their father's position. > > The second is Shawnee. There is a lovely tale on the internet that > has John Pasmere Carpenter married to a Shawnee lass named Pride in > Jamestown, Virginia Colony in about 1627 or 1628. They supposedly had > a son named A-ma-do-ya who became chief at Chota later in the mid > 1600s, founding the Cherokee Moytoy line. It's a lovely story, but it > is just that. Virginia records disprove it. John Pasmere Carpenter > did not exist. John Pasmore, a carpenter of James City, later > Jamestown, did exist and it is an INDEX entry from the Virginia > Library digital land records that gives rise to the other name. The > index entry is in error as the land lease clearly shows. If you would > like the documentation, I will be happy to send it to you. Still it > IS a pretty story, it's just fiction, not fact. > > Third, Doublehead was well known and his line is well documented. > Maybe one of his daughters' names could be translated Cornblossom, but > none are documented with that name. Their husbands are all known and > none includes a Blevins or a Troxell. Two of his daughters married > Colonel James Colbert, a half-blood Chickasaw, near what is now Muscle > Shoals, AL. > > Fourth, many of them have Cornblossom as born about 1758 and her first > child born two years later in 1760. Maybe if she were 12 or 14 there > would be a chance, but not TWO! > > Fifth, they all use modern place names. They have Jonathan Blevins > (my research indicates he probably was Sarah's father) as born in > Wayne County, KY about 1780. At the time of his birth, the area might > have been Lincoln County or Kentucky County, depending on when in the > year he was born, but BOTH were in Virginia. Kentucky did not become > a state until 1792. On the 1850 census, he showed birth place of > Virginia, which was true. Wayne County did not exist until 1800. In > time order from colonial days it was Kentucky County, Lincoln County, > Green County, Cumberland County and Pulaski County - the last two > ceding land to the new county when Wayne was formed. If they had done > their research, they would know the information was incorrect, but it > was apparently just copied and pasted or appended. > > I don't see anything in the portions of Sarah's heritage I can verify > that lead to the Cherokee and a blood connection there. As far as I > know, the Troxell story has been discredited, but I may be mistaken on > that - Joy or Joyce, can you help my memory? I have very deep roots in > Wayne County, KY, but there is nothing in the history of the area that > leads me to believe the Cherokees played a significant role there, if > any. What I do find of your families is the same story for most of > the early settlers - Virginians who either moved there and claimed > Revolutionary Bounty Land in the area, or the younger sons of Virginia > households who had no real future in their home counties looking for a > start in life with real possibilities. For some born in Virginia and > Virginia Colony, they never moved at all - the county and state lines > moved around them. Many colonial Virginia families DID have mixed > heritages, but it was largely mixed black and white. In the early > years of the colony Free Blacks were accorded the same respect and > status as the white colonists. In fact, it was far more respectable > to be a Free Black than to be an indentured servant. Indentureds > were treated worse than slaves because they had come to the colonies > poor with hat in hand, where slaves had value to the planters (not my > feelings at all, but that was the thinking of those days). It was > illegal for indentured servants to marry anyone other than an > indentured servant and many, especially the women, "married" slaves. > In later years when prejudice against the black community had arisen, > it was far easier, more acceptable, and safer to claim being half > Indian than being Mulatto. Indians were not chased by slave catchers > so much. So, those who could hide in plain sight as white did, while > those with darker skin hid in plain sight as Indians. Italians, > Portuguese, and so on. > > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:17 PM, Earleene <[email protected]> wrote: >> Trying to confirm heritage of sarah steel,daughter of christian steel and >> elizabeth blevins. sarah said she was 1/2 cherokee. she married abramham >> tinker from unicoi tn,they setteled in dade co ga & dekalb co al. she is >> my3rd great grandmother. earleene >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://nativeheritageproject.com/2012/08/20/god-willing-and-the-creek-dont-rise/ Did you know the saying “God willing and the Creek don’t rise” was in reference to the Creek Indians and not a body of water? We didn’t. It turns out that the phrase was written by Benjamin Hawkins in the late 18th century. He was a politician and Indian agent. While in the south, Hawkins was requested by the President of the U.S. to return to Washington. In his response, he was said to write, “God willing and the Creek don’t rise.” Because he capitalized the word “Creek” it is deduced that he was referring to the Creek Indian tribe and not a body of water. Joy From: Barbara Lattimore Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] creek I have heard the saying "Lord willing and the Creek don't rise" came from Indian agent Benjimin Hawkins. Replying to a request to return to Washington to give a report on the status of the indians. true or false Please. Best regards Barb