Pauline, THe Beavers are descended from the McDaniel's and Raper's. They associated, in the east, with the Brackett's....who also descend from the Raper's and McDaniels. Midge, pronounced Mid-jie, Brackett was a grandson of Thomas Raper and Caty McDaniel, if memory serves me correctly. Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: Pauline Schwarz Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee Hi Alli, I believe my ancestors (Beavers) who came to Arkansas in 1817 are what you are talking about. They did not move on to Oklahoma but remained in Arkansas. Frustrating not to find any information on them. GG grandfather born in about 1825 in Ark. according to 1850 census. Great grandmother was born in Ash Flat, Arkansas 1853, and was according to family a Cherokee. She was Nancy Mariah Beavers who married Lewis Thompson (not believed to be indian.) He was from Illinois. Her parents were J. W. born in Arkansas (or M.) Beavers and Phoebe (maiden name unknown) born in Tennessee. 1850 Census report does not have race marked for anyone on the page. Nancy Mariah Beavers Thompson is buried in Spring Creek Cemetery near Calico Rock, Arkansas. I have a picture of her gravestone and have visited the grave site. No way to find anything more. Members of the family have searched for many years. I just remember my father telling us we were part Cherokee when we moved to Oklahoma City from Kansas City, MO. when I was about 8 years old. Pauline Harris Schwarz =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The original Old Settlers were in Arkansas, Alli. Western Arkansas before it was a part of the state. If you look into the Old Settlers you'll see many of them in Western Arkansas before being removed, in the 1830's to Oklahoma. For instance Judge John C. Martin is buried near Fort Smith and is said to be the first supreme court judge in the west. You'll see traces of the group in southeast Missouri. Looking into the history of the 1811 earthquake of the New Madrid fault there are tales of Indians being a tad upset with the aftershocks that occurred for 6 months afterwards. Many moved back east. The reason many aren't recognized as citizens has a whole lot to do with claim payments of the early 1900's. Hundreds to thousands of mixed bloods or descendents of mixed bloods were not nor had they ever lived on Indian land. For 60-70 years they & each generation following had denied their Cherokee heritage for several reasons...most of them for very good reasons. Then, when the payments were finally to be made there was a LOT of them who tried to re-apply for citizenship. Thus the thousands of citizenship applications beginning in 1896. Most of those were denied, which was, obviously the fed's trying to conserve money. In almost any area where the Cherokee Indians resided you'll see their mixed blood descendents and they'll almost always be enumerated as white but, nonetheless, they'll be descendents. It's an extremely complex situation. Every geographical location, time period, and family has its own individual story. No one story will ever be the whole situation...there's no one answer. Most of the Indians who received the Dawes, Miller or Eastern Cherokee payments were descendents of those who resided on Indian land or could prove an ancestor lived on Indian land. Look into the reason for the Siler roll, for instance. Joyce Gaston Reece How come its known that we had Cherokee people in Ark & Missouri, but they are not recognized by anyone unless they ended up in Okla. by a certain time? Alli

Obadiah BENGE ? Yes he is part of the BENGE Cherokee.Where have you searched? There was a day I was stuck and sitting at my other desk.I heard a voice say "Obadieah It only happened once. A voice said Obadiah" in answer to my question. I said to the wind, Obadiah whom? Then I said "thanks a lot. " There also was an Obadiah GORDON killed in war. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leif-Karen Rasmussen" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] CHEROKEEGENE Digest, Vol 7, Issue 222 > > Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I saw > the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of my > family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my g-grandfather > Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my grandmother who was > only a few months old at the time of the roll. Are the Benge's you > mentioned related to my Obadiah Benge? And if yes, do you have more info > you could share with me? Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. > > Most > > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > > have > > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > > thankful > > for them. > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > Washington > > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know the > > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > > occupants > > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to > > rebuild. > > It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > > LEE,) > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > > "Federal > > Road" > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > Kentucky, > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > > AND > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > Please > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > > act > > of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > > from > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > > out > > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes > > back to > > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > BARB > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

McDaniel joined the Cherokee early in 1600"s. A McDaniel runs our House Genealogy BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > Pauline, > > THe Beavers are descended from the McDaniel's and Raper's. They > associated, > in the east, with the Brackett's....who also descend from the Raper's and > McDaniels. > Midge, pronounced Mid-jie, Brackett was a grandson of Thomas Raper and > Caty > McDaniel, if memory serves me correctly. > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: Pauline Schwarz > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 5:48 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [CherokeeGene] Alli: Arkansas and Missouri Cherokee > > > Hi Alli, > > I believe my ancestors (Beavers) who came to Arkansas in 1817 are what > you > are talking about. > They did not move on to Oklahoma but remained in Arkansas. Frustrating > not > to find any > information on them. GG grandfather born in about 1825 in Ark. > according > to > 1850 census. > Great grandmother was born in Ash Flat, Arkansas 1853, and was > according > to > family a > Cherokee. She was Nancy Mariah Beavers who married Lewis Thompson > (not > believed to be indian.) > He was from Illinois. Her parents were J. W. born in Arkansas (or M.) > Beavers and Phoebe (maiden name unknown) > born in Tennessee. 1850 Census report does not have race marked for > anyone > on the page. > > Nancy Mariah Beavers Thompson is buried in Spring Creek Cemetery near > Calico > Rock, Arkansas. > I have a picture of her gravestone and have visited the grave site. > > No way to find anything more. Members of the family have searched for > many > years. I just remember my father telling us > we were part Cherokee when we moved to Oklahoma City from Kansas City, > MO. > when I was about 8 years old. > > Pauline Harris Schwarz > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where are you looking? The Cherokee were part of the Algonquin Nation.It was huge. They also went to Canada.( RAN?)They claim to have been here for thirteen thousand years. History has the time frame wrong.They came by Phoenician ship. Hebrew. from the House of David. Of Israel. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > I haven't heard of the "Cherokee" people never claiming to be Indian. They > claim to be the First people I believe. And no, Cherokee was not their > original name. > > I also have never heard of the CHerokee people going so far up the East > coast........where do you get this information? I have heard they were a > farming & hunting type people, but never heard of them being a nomad type > tribe like the Plains Indians. > > Where is the info. on them being massacred or poisoned? How can they > travel > up the coast let alone overseas if they had nice homes? > > None of this makes any sense compared to what I've been told, read or > heard > over the last 15 yrs of searching on the net. Can you list your reference > sources.......I'm curious > > Alli:) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. > > > > Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, > > Washington > > DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, > > Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are > > still there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were > > massacred or killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to > > welcome and share what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They > > had nice homes, gardens and ships. Frequently they > > traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. > > > > Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" > > > > BARB > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the 1700's the Cherokee were busy building up the tribe by intermarriage. Most of the population, both populations, were building families. Occasionally strange activities did happen. Example is Thomas Jefferson and his sister who were left as orphans, went to live at the Tuckahoe Plantation on the James River. Most of the tribal slaughter happened in the 1800's .Whole villages were wiped out in the middle of the night. The first prominent happenings were at James Towne VA Very few Natives celebrate Thanksgiving. The Trail of Tears in the South East also happened in the South West. Certainly you have heard of tribes "disappearing"? On my desk is a list of tribes that disappeared over night. Later, The Presidential attitude was Indians were "nits" to be destroyed. There is a letter available that was sent to the Acting Washington Territorial Governor Issac Stevens from the President of the US. Just in recent years Eatonville WA School children discovered a slaughter there that had been covered up.About 1855. Two boys had escaped. See; Puayllup Indians.Or Chief Leschi who was tried twice and hung; and his brother, Quiamuth, murdered at the WA state Capital as a Guest. The take-over was almost complete by 1855. Very few of the Treatys have ever been honored by the FEDS.See Arkansas Cherokee /Most of the "Indians" were rounded up or killed and survivors placed on mumerous "reservations" that, later, were shut down and sold to Settlers. See: The Flathead Reservation, Montana. Sequoya died in Mexico. The Cherokee ask for permission to leave Texas and were denied. They went anyway and became "the Cherokee of Mexico" See Big Hole Montana.... Joyce, you obviously do not know your country's history. My heart cries for the people. OMG. Today the Native Americans suffer from PTSD from the continual generational trauma. And you want Documentation? Read or ask the Cherokee. They got docummentation. The Feds say as little as possible. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > I was speaking in terms of the 1700's. > > The Cherokee weren't in Arkansas until 1795 when Chief Bowls took the > first > emigrants there. The largest body of that group that formed the Old > Settlers > and the Keetowah Band going with Tah lon tee skee in 1809. It was part of > this group that emigrated into southeast Missouri...very early 1800's. > Those from the Bowl's group are the ones who later went to Mexico. > > There is ONE record that I've found of a group of 300 going from Georgia > to > the Nations Capital in the 1790's in order to get to know the president > and > country leaders > It is in Public Lands, Indian Affairs, American State Papers. > > If they were in Maryland, Delaware, please cite the resources for the > documentation for this knowledge. > > Are you saying that as many as 50 million Indians were killed? By whom? > Today's population in the state of Tennessee is apx 10-11,000,000 people > in > comparison. So are we to assume that you are saying that the entire > population of Indians was the number you stated? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece > -----Original Message----- > From: BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Cc: earthfeather99 > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. > > Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, Washington > DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, > Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are > still > there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were massacred > or > killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to welcome and share > what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They had nice homes, > gardens and ships. Frequently they > traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. > > Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:45 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > my family was in dade co ga,some of them migraed from wayne co ky. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester > > > VA. > > > Most records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most > > > Cherokee > > > have Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We > > > are > > > thankful for them. > > > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the > > > Natives > > > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The > > > Winchester > > > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And > > > returned > > > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And > > > the > > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee > > > and > > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > > > LEE,) > > > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > > > "Federal Road" > > > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > > Kentucky, > > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY > > > THIRD > > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > > > AND > > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > > Please > > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by > > > an > > > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > > > from > > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, > > > Some > > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a > > > book > > > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes > > > back > > > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > > > BARB > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > > > > >> Blevins were white who married into the Cherokee. > > >> > > >> Most rolls were taken in anticipation of a payment or claim for > > >> payment. > > >> Why would they 'run' from that? The rolls weren't 100% but they're > > >> all > > >> we've got. > > >> > > >> The region of Kentucky was not an area of heavy settlement for > > >> Indians > > >> we > > >> call Cherokee. It was ground claimed for hunting ground...lands > > >> they'd > > >> had > > >> conflicts with the Shawnee over during a long period of time. The > > >> majority > > >> of the settlement by them that we know about was in southeast > > >> Tennessee, > > >> south west North Carolina, northwest South Carolina, northeast > > >> Georgia. > > >> And, of course, the Chickamauga settlements in northeast Alabama and > > >> the > > >> region around what is now Chattanooga, TN > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Joyce Gaston Reece > > >> > > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > >> chatting > > >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > >> > > >> Rude people will be moderated asap! > > >> List archive > > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > >> Dual admin. > > >> Dan and Joyce > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > >> the > > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > > > chatting > > > is > > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > > List archive > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > > Dual admin. > > > Dan and Joyce > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Alli, I believe my ancestors (Beavers) who came to Arkansas in 1817 are what you are talking about. They did not move on to Oklahoma but remained in Arkansas. Frustrating not to find any information on them. GG grandfather born in about 1825 in Ark. according to 1850 census. Great grandmother was born in Ash Flat, Arkansas 1853, and was according to family a Cherokee. She was Nancy Mariah Beavers who married Lewis Thompson (not believed to be indian.) He was from Illinois. Her parents were J. W. born in Arkansas (or M.) Beavers and Phoebe (maiden name unknown) born in Tennessee. 1850 Census report does not have race marked for anyone on the page. Nancy Mariah Beavers Thompson is buried in Spring Creek Cemetery near Calico Rock, Arkansas. I have a picture of her gravestone and have visited the grave site. No way to find anything more. Members of the family have searched for many years. I just remember my father telling us we were part Cherokee when we moved to Oklahoma City from Kansas City, MO. when I was about 8 years old. Pauline Harris Schwarz

I was speaking in terms of the 1700's. The Cherokee weren't in Arkansas until 1795 when Chief Bowls took the first emigrants there. The largest body of that group that formed the Old Settlers and the Keetowah Band going with Tah lon tee skee in 1809. It was part of this group that emigrated into southeast Missouri...very early 1800's. Those from the Bowl's group are the ones who later went to Mexico. There is ONE record that I've found of a group of 300 going from Georgia to the Nations Capital in the 1790's in order to get to know the president and country leaders It is in Public Lands, Indian Affairs, American State Papers. If they were in Maryland, Delaware, please cite the resources for the documentation for this knowledge. Are you saying that as many as 50 million Indians were killed? By whom? Today's population in the state of Tennessee is apx 10-11,000,000 people in comparison. So are we to assume that you are saying that the entire population of Indians was the number you stated? Joyce Gaston Reece -----Original Message----- From: BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:32 PM To: [email protected] Cc: earthfeather99 Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, Washington DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are still there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were massacred or killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to welcome and share what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They had nice homes, gardens and ships. Frequently they traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > my family was in dade co ga,some of them migraed from wayne co ky. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. > > Most records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most > > Cherokee > > have Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > > thankful for them. > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the > > Natives > > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned > > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > > LEE,) > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > > "Federal Road" > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > Kentucky, > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > > AND > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > Please > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > > from > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes > > back > > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > >> Blevins were white who married into the Cherokee. > >> > >> Most rolls were taken in anticipation of a payment or claim for > >> payment. > >> Why would they 'run' from that? The rolls weren't 100% but they're all > >> we've got. > >> > >> The region of Kentucky was not an area of heavy settlement for Indians > >> we > >> call Cherokee. It was ground claimed for hunting ground...lands they'd > >> had > >> conflicts with the Shawnee over during a long period of time. The > >> majority > >> of the settlement by them that we know about was in southeast > >> Tennessee, > >> south west North Carolina, northwest South Carolina, northeast Georgia. > >> And, of course, the Chickamauga settlements in northeast Alabama and > >> the > >> region around what is now Chattanooga, TN > >> > >> > >> > >> Joyce Gaston Reece > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > >> chatting > >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >> > >> Rude people will be moderated asap! > >> List archive > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >> Dual admin. > >> Dan and Joyce > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. 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It's called the Dawes and Miller Indian rolls. They had to be on the rolls/registered by a certain date. You can still be registered as a Cherokee (Tahlequah, Okla) if you can prove your lineage to a Cherokee ancestor. (Solid proof, not what aunt Jane or Uncle Joe told you.) If you ancestors are not on these rolls, you are out of luck--------almost. --------Col. Joe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Alli :) Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 3:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy How come its known that we had Cherokee people in Ark & Missouri, but they are not recognized by anyone unless they ended up in Okla. by a certain time? Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >I was speaking in terms of the 1700's. > > The Cherokee weren't in Arkansas until 1795 when Chief Bowls took the > first > emigrants there. The largest body of that group that formed the Old > Settlers > and the Keetowah Band going with Tah lon tee skee in 1809. It was part of > this group that emigrated into southeast Missouri...very early 1800's. > Those from the Bowl's group are the ones who later went to Mexico. > > There is ONE record that I've found of a group of 300 going from Georgia > to > the Nations Capital in the 1790's in order to get to know the president > and > country leaders > It is in Public Lands, Indian Affairs, American State Papers. > > If they were in Maryland, Delaware, please cite the resources for the > documentation for this knowledge. > > Are you saying that as many as 50 million Indians were killed? By whom? > Today's population in the state of Tennessee is apx 10-11,000,000 people > in > comparison. So are we to assume that you are saying that the entire > population of Indians was the number you stated? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece =====*NOTICE THIS*===== this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. Rude people will be moderated asap! List archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene Dual admin. Dan and Joyce ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barb, I don't follow all messages in this posting, but when I saw the name: "BENGE" it caught my eye. That is the name of some of my family. I haven't searched back very far, only to my g-grandfather Obadiah Benge. He was on the 1906 Rolls along with my grandmother who was only a few months old at the time of the roll. Are the Benge's you mentioned related to my Obadiah Benge? And if yes, do you have more info you could share with me? Thanks, Karen> Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 09:17:13 -0800 > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: earthfeather99 <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. Most > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee have > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are thankful > for them. > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George Washington > and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives know the > story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester occupants > went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned to rebuild. > It is back-upped by out of print books. > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, LEE,) > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became "Federal > Road" > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, Kentucky, > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE AND > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) Please > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an act > of friendship. Four thousand died. > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property from > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book out > of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes back to > Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > BARB

How come its known that we had Cherokee people in Ark & Missouri, but they are not recognized by anyone unless they ended up in Okla. by a certain time? Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >I was speaking in terms of the 1700's. > > The Cherokee weren't in Arkansas until 1795 when Chief Bowls took the > first > emigrants there. The largest body of that group that formed the Old > Settlers > and the Keetowah Band going with Tah lon tee skee in 1809. It was part of > this group that emigrated into southeast Missouri...very early 1800's. > Those from the Bowl's group are the ones who later went to Mexico. > > There is ONE record that I've found of a group of 300 going from Georgia > to > the Nations Capital in the 1790's in order to get to know the president > and > country leaders > It is in Public Lands, Indian Affairs, American State Papers. > > If they were in Maryland, Delaware, please cite the resources for the > documentation for this knowledge. > > Are you saying that as many as 50 million Indians were killed? By whom? > Today's population in the state of Tennessee is apx 10-11,000,000 people > in > comparison. So are we to assume that you are saying that the entire > population of Indians was the number you stated? > > > > Joyce Gaston Reece

Ok, so that makes more sense. The way you originial wrote, it sounded like you were saying the Lincoln was the leader of the troops (like General Lee). Ok, based on this link......no where (so far that I've read) states that we were clear up to Maryland or DC. How many of the books that you've read, as documents to back up what you are currently posting? No history tells the truth......they all give their rendition of the truth usually from the Victor's point of you. That's a proven fact & most of the American History continues to be altered or left out or taken out as the years goes by. I already know they are a special people. And I already know that that isn't their original name.........but you haven't stated what their name is. Alli ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > Here is a link again. > > http://cherokeeregistry.com/ > > President Lincoln was in charge of the troops. He first offered Robert E > Lee the job of head of the Army for the Civil War. Lee wrote back > and politly told him "he loved Virginia too much" and declined. Lee also > ask How the President could shoot his own people? > > I read every book I could get my hands on and then some. I read Books > in Heritage Quest, also from Public Libraries.I have been a thirsty > reader since early, early childhood. I ordered General Robert E Lee's > books. He personally wrote three books.So did other family members write > books. I read them too.. > > His family owned the Washington D C property , Arlington National > Cemetery. West Point and other properties. The Feds put his father, Henry > "lighthorse" Harry Lee in prison for not paying taxes on Indian Land. > > American History does not tell the truth. > But that is something you need to discover for your self. > > Invading Winchester 72 time is part of the Civil War Records. The Cherokee > have managed to hide some world artifacts that are ours to keep and hide > till they are needed. The Cherokee are very special people. Cherokee is > not their name. > > BARB

I haven't heard of the "Cherokee" people never claiming to be Indian. They claim to be the First people I believe. And no, Cherokee was not their original name. I also have never heard of the CHerokee people going so far up the East coast........where do you get this information? I have heard they were a farming & hunting type people, but never heard of them being a nomad type tribe like the Plains Indians. Where is the info. on them being massacred or poisoned? How can they travel up the coast let alone overseas if they had nice homes? None of this makes any sense compared to what I've been told, read or heard over the last 15 yrs of searching on the net. Can you list your reference sources.......I'm curious Alli:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. > > Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, Washington > DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, > Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are > still there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were > massacred or killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to > welcome and share what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They > had nice homes, gardens and ships. Frequently they > traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. > > Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" > > BARB

my family was in dade co ga,some of them migraed from wayne co ky. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. > Most records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > have Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > thankful for them. > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, LEE,) > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > "Federal Road" > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, Kentucky, > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE AND > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) Please > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property from > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes back > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:30 AM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > >> Blevins were white who married into the Cherokee. >> >> Most rolls were taken in anticipation of a payment or claim for payment. >> Why would they 'run' from that? The rolls weren't 100% but they're all >> we've got. >> >> The region of Kentucky was not an area of heavy settlement for Indians we >> call Cherokee. It was ground claimed for hunting ground...lands they'd >> had >> conflicts with the Shawnee over during a long period of time. The >> majority >> of the settlement by them that we know about was in southeast Tennessee, >> south west North Carolina, northwest South Carolina, northeast Georgia. >> And, of course, the Chickamauga settlements in northeast Alabama and the >> region around what is now Chattanooga, TN >> >> >> >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

when i send you a message it comes back to me???do you recieve it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > What do you mean? Please explain. > > > > > BARB > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > >> why is mt messages being sent back to me >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:41 AM >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> >> >> > no,havent tried that one.thanks >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 6:42 PM >> > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> > >> > >> >> Have you tried "Family Search"? That is how I found my first husband's >> >> Parents from Indian Territory, Texas.( Crane, Pickett, Davis) >> >> >> >> BARB >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Joe Martin" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:38 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> >> >> >> >> >>> Looking for any information on the following Cherokee relatives: >> >>> >> >>> 1. Dovie Bell (Cope) McConnell (Can't find a roll number or any >> >>> info >> >>> about >> >>> her, >> >>> parents were from the Cherokee nation area around Greenback, TN. >> >>> near >> >>> Marysville) >> >>> b. Sep 1866 MO. >> >>> d. Mar. 1930 AR. >> >>> >> >>> 2. Mary A. (Curtis)Peck (may have 2nd middle initials of "e") >> >>> (Dawes Roll-7786 & Miller Roll- 9082) >> >>> b. 1851 Tenn. >> >>> d. 1917 OK >> >>> >> >>> Any information on them or their parents, or in either direction of >> >>> their >> >>> parents family history. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, Joe >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: [email protected] >> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Earleene >> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 10:33 AM >> >>> To: [email protected] >> >>> Subject: [CherokeeGene] genealogy >> >>> >> >>> my gggreat grandmother said she was cherokee,i can't find >> >>> documents of this , her name is sarah steel born in wayne co ky to >> >>> christian steel and (elizabeth blevins,her father is jonathan blevins >> >>> son >> >>> of >> >>> david blevins.) sarah steel married abraham tinker from unicoi co >> >>> tn.do >> >>> you >> >>> have any record of this? earleene >> >>> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> >>> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> >>> chatting >> >>> is >> >>> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >>> >> >>> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> >>> List archive >> >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> >>> Dual admin. >> >>> Dan and Joyce >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> >>> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> >>> chatting >> >>> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >>> >> >>> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> >>> List archive >> >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> >>> Dual admin. >> >>> Dan and Joyce >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >>> the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain >> >> chatting >> >> is >> >> required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> >> List archive >> >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> >> Dual admin. >> >> Dan and Joyce >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> >> the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> > is >> > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> > >> > Rude people will be moderated asap! >> > List archive >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> > Dual admin. >> > Dan and Joyce >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. >> >> Rude people will be moderated asap! >> List archive >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene >> Dual admin. >> Dan and Joyce >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

alli,i didnt know you were with cherokeegege,who are you looking for>? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > They usually do...for everyone :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > >> why is mt messages being sent back to me > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting is > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is a link again. http://cherokeeregistry.com/ President Lincoln was in charge of the troops. He first offered Robert E Lee the job of head of the Army for the Civil War. Lee wrote back and politly told him "he loved Virginia too much" and declined. Lee also ask How the President could shoot his own people? I read every book I could get my hands on and then some. I read Books in Heritage Quest, also from Public Libraries.I have been a thirsty reader since early, early childhood. I ordered General Robert E Lee's books. He personally wrote three books.So did other family members write books. I read them too.. His family owned the Washington D C property , Arlington National Cemetery. West Point and other properties. The Feds put his father, Henry "lighthorse" Harry Lee in prison for not paying taxes on Indian Land. American History does not tell the truth. But that is something you need to discover for your self. Invading Winchester 72 time is part of the Civil War Records. The Cherokee have managed to hide some world artifacts that are ours to keep and hide till they are needed. The Cherokee are very special people. Cherokee is not their name. BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alli :)" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > I don't remember anything in History about Pres. Lincoln serving in the > military? And how can you destroy an area 72 times? Most of them when > something is destroyed, it can only be done once. > > What are the titles/authors of the the out of print books that you got > your > info. from ? > > How do you know the clan's that your ancestors were a part of? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. > Most > > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee > > have > > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > > thankful for them. > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the > > Natives > > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned > > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > > LEE,) > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > > "Federal Road" > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > Kentucky, > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > > AND > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > Please > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > > from > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes > > back > > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > BARB > > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

North West Georgia was Cherokee Country. Actually the Cherokee were in Viginia, Maryland, Delaware, Washington DC, North Carolina, South Carolina. Kentucky, Arkansas and Louisianna, Missouri, Tennessee, Texas and Mexico.They were travelers.And they are still there, but usually hidden. Today it is said fifty million were massacred or killed by poison. They were a friendly people , eager to welcome and share what they had. Their world was a Garden of Eden. They had nice homes, gardens and ships. Frequently they traveled to Great Britain Scotland, Ireland and Wales.And elsewhere. Cherokee is Not their name. They have never claimed to be "Indian" BARB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > my family was in dade co ga,some of them migraed from wayne co ky. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: "earthfeather99" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 12:17 PM > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. > > Most records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most > > Cherokee > > have Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > > thankful for them. > > > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the > > Natives > > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned > > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, > > LEE,) > > > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > > "Federal Road" > > > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, > > Kentucky, > > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE > > AND > > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) > > Please > > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property > > from > > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes > > back > > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > > > BARB > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joyce Gaston Reece" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 4:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > > > > > >> Blevins were white who married into the Cherokee. > >> > >> Most rolls were taken in anticipation of a payment or claim for > >> payment. > >> Why would they 'run' from that? The rolls weren't 100% but they're all > >> we've got. > >> > >> The region of Kentucky was not an area of heavy settlement for Indians > >> we > >> call Cherokee. It was ground claimed for hunting ground...lands they'd > >> had > >> conflicts with the Shawnee over during a long period of time. The > >> majority > >> of the settlement by them that we know about was in southeast > >> Tennessee, > >> south west North Carolina, northwest South Carolina, northeast Georgia. > >> And, of course, the Chickamauga settlements in northeast Alabama and > >> the > >> region around what is now Chattanooga, TN > >> > >> > >> > >> Joyce Gaston Reece > >> > >> =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > >> this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain > >> chatting > >> is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > >> > >> Rude people will be moderated asap! > >> List archive > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > >> Dual admin. > >> Dan and Joyce > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > > is > > required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > > List archive > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > > Dual admin. > > Dan and Joyce > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > =====*NOTICE THIS*===== > this is a generic list; and not topic specific because certain chatting > is required to do genealogy; and sort fact from fiction. > > Rude people will be moderated asap! > List archive > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=cherokeegene > Dual admin. > Dan and Joyce > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

oh yeah.........I've been here forever :) I'm stuck with Thomas Thompson N.C. & Delphia unknown maiden name N.C. Don't have their years. But their granddaughter (my dbl. great grandma) Martha Malinda Adams was born in Tn. in 1838 Their daughter (my triple great grandma) Was Elizabeth Thompson N.C. who married James Adams (Jr.) East Tn. When Martha was 11 They moved to Missouri. Martha later married a Samuel Phariss b. 1824 Tn. They had several kids & moved to Arkansas & then moved to Okla. I had a researcher for the CNO tell me that she found Delphia on a Census record listed as Cherokee, but she never told me what census record or where to look so i could get it myself before she went MIA. I don't know if she passed away or what. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earleene" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [CherokeeGene] genealogy > alli,i didnt know you were with cherokeegege,who are you looking for>? >

I don't remember anything in History about Pres. Lincoln serving in the military? And how can you destroy an area 72 times? Most of them when something is destroyed, it can only be done once. What are the titles/authors of the the out of print books that you got your info. from ? How do you know the clan's that your ancestors were a part of? ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARBARA GORDON-LANTTO" <[email protected]> > The Shawnee and the Cherokee were together in 1600's at Winchester VA. Most > records were destroyed. But information can be found. Most Cherokee have > Shawnee ancestors and Lenni-Lenape/Delaware.( Algonquin) We are > thankful for them. > > Abraham Lincoln had his troops destroy the entire Winchester (Opequon > Shawnee village) area, 72 times, and then burned it.Both George > Washington and Lord Fairfax lived there with the Indians. Only the Natives > know the story and "what" Lincoln was searching for...... The Winchester > occupants went to Texas and elsewhere during the Civil War. And returned > to rebuild. It is back-upped by out of print books. > > I think you mean NW Georgia.The Chicamouga were prevalent there. And the > Gordon's and Chief John Ross.And the Great Chicamouga Battle at Lee and > Gordon Mills.( My relatives)NW Georgia....EDMONDS. ALDERMAN, GORDON, LEE,) > > Read the Memoirs of General John B Gordon and the Chickamouga Battle. > > Or at the Duck River in Tennessee where Captain John Gordon and > Cherokee-Powhatan Gordon family lived. > > An old Indian Trail devided the familys. at both ends, later became > "Federal Road" > > The BENGE's ( Red Paint Clan) and others, lived at Clay County, Kentucky, > See: A J Goodwin. ( my GGgrandfather) > > See TUCKAHOE...LIttle Jake Troxel..and SEQUOYA( HALF-BROTHER TO MY THIRD > GREAT GRANDMOTHER who married John "Tippy" HOUSE)AND begat JAMES HOUSE AND > FIVE OTHERS. (DAUGHTER MARRIED McDaniel) > > The Cherokee History is NOT written down for the FEDS (the enemy.) Please > remember the trail of Tears took place, because of force, and not by an > act of friendship. Four thousand died. > > BACK in Virginia, James Gordon acquired the Gordonsville VA property from > EDMONDS. From Georgia, my relatives first went to North Carolina, Some > Aldermans are still there......Cherokee Long Hair twisted hair Clan > > Later some went to Gilgal Island Illinois.Later Tom Haynes wrote a book > out of Montana, about Gilgal Island. > > Alderman and Edmonds went to Oregon/Washington Territory. My great > grandparents. They named my grandmother "Georgia".... > > On government records HOUSE was "white" but our Indian linage goes back > to Delaware and the Cherokee.And the Lenni-Lenape > > BARB